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posted November 30, 2010 01:03 AM |
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I agree with Sphinx -> Lamasu. Lamasu sounds a lot cooler and more original than Sphinx.
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posted November 30, 2010 09:16 AM |
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I'm pretty ok with all the names of the creatures so far and I have seen alot of good alternatives for them.
Though, this is how I would name them:
Sentinel - Legionary
I like the Praetorian but it was more of a bodyguard unit I think in ancient Rome and Legionary is more suitable for larger armies.
Marksman - Arcubalister
A arcubalister is a crossbowman and it has a more elaborated name.
Priestess - Cleric (Saint)
Vestal is a good name but I don't think it's suited for a warrior on the battlefield. Cleric would suit better I think. Saint might work but it sounds a little to powerful for a Core Unit.
Griffin - Imperial Griffin
No change...
Radiant Glory - Blazing Glory (Light Elemental - Divine Elemental)
I like the name of Glory or Glories but could also work with the plain Light Elemental.
Sun Rider - Sun Crusader
No change...
Angel - Archangel
Why not use the Angel as Champion Unit? Seraph and Celestial is fine but I would rather have the Angels.
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Hellhound - Cerberus (three heads)/ Orthrus (two heads)
I think it have been said that it's going to have three heads - so Cerberus it is then. Even though the two headed would be fine to vary a bit.
Succubus - Temptress
No change...
Maniac - Raving Maniac
Didn't quite like the name Demented so I think that Raving Maniac is better.
Juggernaut - Juggernaut Ravager/ Dreadnaught
I like the name Dreadnaught that have been suggested but Juggernaut Ravager works as well.
Tormentor - Excruciator
No change... Couldn't think of something better  .
Breeder - Doom Breeder
Mother Breeder sounds kinda stupid - does it breed mothers or what's the deal there?
Pit Fiend - Pit Lord
No change... A classical name for a classical creature.
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Skeleton - Archaic Skeleton (Javelin Skeleton/ Skeleton Guard)
Bone Guard works but I would prefer Skeleton Guard, Javelin Skeleton (as it throw spears) and my favorite Archaic Skeleton (as it's very very old).
Ghoul - Revenant
Revenant sounds better than Grave Goul but I have to say Grave Goul is kinda catchy, atleast for me.
Ghost - Spectre
No change...
Lich - Arch Lich
No change...
Vampire - Vampire Lord
No change... As with the Pit Lord and the Arch Lich: classical names for classical creatures.
Foul Sphinx - Corrupt Sphinx
Don't like the name Lamasu (Lamassu) and this is the name I would like to change the most. Sphinx is much better.
Fate Spinner - Fate Weaver
No change... It's good as it is, with the relation with the threads of fate/life from Greek and Norse mythology.
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posted November 30, 2010 09:23 AM |
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Putrid Lamasu/Festering Lamasu - - (Lamassu/Shedu)
Erm, Shedu is a male Lamassu. 
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posted November 30, 2010 09:31 AM |
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I have a suggestion about Lamasu.
What do you say about Lamasu (basic unit) > Lamassa (upg. unit)? Just a small allusion to the names of the Dragons: Shalassa, Malassa... to represent some kind of divinity both to dragons and mythological Lamasu.
Posting again... What do you say about this suggestion?
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posted November 30, 2010 10:07 AM |
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So what do you say, should we take Sphinx as the Lamasu upgrade?
Take it we should... I mean in the original concept the upgrade simply goes from putrid to festering... it basically becomes more gross and stinky. I mean think about it "Putrid Lamasu" then their "evolved" version which is suppose to be a next step, a improvement is "Festering Lamasu"? Only changing the adjective before a name doesn't really convey a sufficient sense of evolvement (or sense of greatness for that matter). Sphinx is infinetly better than Putrid Lamasu if you ask me... so it's not 100% mythologically correct but it's a game and the fact that they're considering to change it in the first place is awesome so GOGO Sphinx!
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posted November 30, 2010 10:20 AM |
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So what do you say, should we take Sphinx as the Lamasu upgrade?
No, just no. Sphinxes are very different creatures from Lamasu.(Guessing the plural is the same as the singular form here)
Either call it a Sphinx to begin with or not at all. Don't turn a Lamasu into a Sphinx or vice versa. Many people don't know what a Lamasu is and therefor might want to turn it into a Sphinx. But never let the ignorance of others force your hand. Listen to what David Mitchell has to say on the subject if you would: Link. The only difference between kids and gamers is that gamers complain where we can hear them and are sometimes to proud to admit their ignorance.
In the same line, Minotaurs could be the upgrade of a Cyclops or vice versa and that is not something we want.
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posted November 30, 2010 01:00 PM |
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Well ok if you put it that way I guess it shouldn't be done... is it really as bad as Minotaur -> Cyclops?
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posted November 30, 2010 01:17 PM |
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Either way is wrong, so if you take Sphinx / Lamasu as same or as different is still wrong in what UbiHole created. They say the Lamasu is a Manticore fused with a human...
"The Lamasu were a failed experiment by the wizards to create a superior breed of beastmen, by the unnatural fusion of a human being (usually a slave or criminal) and a magical creature (in this particular case, a Manticore).
The resulting creature was too unstable and was litteraly short-lived, but they still proved useful to the Necromancers. The Necromancers rose their dead bodies and infected them with pestilence. The Lamasu function as plague vector, coupled with the creature’s physical might, and its mobility make them perfect front-line troops in the Undead armies."
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posted November 30, 2010 02:21 PM |
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Well ok if you put it that way I guess it shouldn't be done... is it really as bad as Minotaur -> Cyclops?
Yes, yes it is. It mashing two vastly different creatures together that only have a vague link together. With Minotaur->Cylops the link is monstrous humoids from Greek mytholgy. For Sphinx <-> Lamasu it's montrous creatures with a feline body.
As for Paiazza, replacing Lamasu with Sphinx alltogether has no impact. If both the normal and the upgrade are called Sphinxes there is no problem. Read the same sentence with Sphinx instead of Lamasu and it has the same impact. I am advocating that one should not mash two different mythological creatures into upgrades of oneanother.
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posted November 30, 2010 02:24 PM |
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Here are the Wikipedia definitions. I think that the names should not be mixed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamassu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manticore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(mythology)
Edit: I think that creatures which are a mix between a human and an ordinary animal are usually alright, but creatures which are a mix between a human and a magical animal which is sometimes a mix between animals itself are unnecessary.
Human + Horse = Centaur
Human + Bull = Minotaur
Human + Lion = Rakshassa
Human + Bird = Harpy
Human + Snake = Naga
Human + Lizard = Lizardman
However, in H6: Human + (Lion + Bat + Scorpion) = Human + H5 Manticore = H6 Lamassu
A Manticore is similar to a Chimera = Lion + Ram + Snake
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posted November 30, 2010 03:20 PM |
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So what do you say, should we take Sphinx as the Lamasu upgrade?
No, because they have different origins. Sphinx is a living being and Lamasu is an undead, although they both have female faces...
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posted November 30, 2010 04:29 PM |
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Lamasu is an undead
Are you talking about the mythology or about the game lore? Because the mythological Lamassu is perfectly alive - at least no less alive than any other god/spirit/divine entity.
Though I agree - Sphinx and Lamassu shouldn't be considered the same thing.
By the way the adjectives placed in front of the current Lamasu are there on purpose - they define the "corrupted" or "undead" version of some other creature. The description clearly states that the Ashan Lamasu is experimental beastman and although it has very low life expectancy, it's still counted as living being. The "animated" Lamasu is no longer just a Lamasu, but an undead Lamasu or Putrid/Festering Lamasu. I'm not saying that these adjectives are very fitting and original, but their very presence is justified. It's like the difference between a living butcher and a dead butcher, a.k.a Zombie.
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posted November 30, 2010 04:46 PM |
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Erm, Shedu is a male Lamassu.
I think I mentioned this in one of my posts and said that the majority of the fans would not notice anyway so it did not matter.
This seems really hard and people can't agree with each other so I just think they should go with Lamasu -> Putrid Lamasu (there is no point in having an adjective to both the normal and the upgraded creature).
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posted November 30, 2010 05:02 PM |
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Ghoul -> Ghast. Just throwing it out there.
And I feel like calling it a Manticore would be a good idea. Rule of Cool.
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posted November 30, 2010 06:32 PM |
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Holy****jesuschristcowridingbatman!! It's DAYSTAR, good to see you man! How have you been?
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posted November 30, 2010 06:48 PM |
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And I feel like calling it a Manticore would be a good idea. Rule of Cool.
How can a crossbreed of a manticore and something else still be a manticore? If you crossbreed lions and tigers, you end up with tigons or ligers(Depending on which is the (fe)male). You do not end up with lions or tigers.
Same rules apply here, says I.
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posted November 30, 2010 07:18 PM |
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Lamasu is an undead
Are you talking about the mythology or about the game lore? Because the mythological Lamassu is perfectly alive - at least no less alive than any other god/spirit/divine entity.
I am talking about the game lore. They were alive, but short lived, so now they are undead...
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posted November 30, 2010 07:20 PM |
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And I feel like calling it a Manticore would be a good idea. Rule of Cool.
How can a crossbreed of a manticore and something else still be a manticore? If you crossbreed lions and tigers, you end up with tigons or ligers(Depending on which is the (fe)male). You do not end up with lions or tigers.
Same rules apply here, says I.
So a Humanticore or a Mantiman?
Anyway I see no problem with just calling them Lamasu but the question is what it should be called more then just Lamasu once it is upgraded...
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posted November 30, 2010 11:45 PM |
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If you crossbreed lions and tigers, you end up with tigons or ligers(Depending on which is the (fe)male).
How do genders decide on the name?
As for the Putrid Lamassu/Festering Lamassu I think that it's a bad idea to create a unit by mixing a Lion, Bat, Scorpion and Human, kill it and then raise it. It's to much mixing and changing. Like I wrote before
(Lion + Bat + Scorpion) + Human + Undead = H6 Lamassu
It's a mess.
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posted December 01, 2010 12:09 AM |
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It's a Awesome Mess
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