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Lithium_111
Lithium_111


Hired Hero
posted November 17, 2011 09:17 AM
Edited by Lithium_111 at 09:20, 17 Nov 2011.

Seriously WTF

ok i`m getting frustrated, everytime i chase an enemy hero and we are about to clash, he simply disappears! (teleporting like 12 year old back to castle )  wow i mean literally everytime!
spent 45 mins tryin to catch that prick and someone plz tell me the logistics perk isnt bugged coz it doesnt seem to do s**t.

Also, how the enemy gathers these massive armies and his are always superior to mine is beyond my comprehension


been playin heroes since H3 and i love this game but H6 feels different (not in a bad way, i love it) however these are the things that drove me crazy, oh and the orcs faction are way too overpowered.

nothing is jaw droppin like a panther warrior who charges at the start of combat and kills 2 units lol (cleave equipped) and severly wounds a third one!



am i missing something here? how are you guys adapting to this? the fleeing enemy and the massive armies, seriously i need an answer
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kodial79
kodial79


Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
posted November 17, 2011 09:22 AM

Without a good IQ for themselves, how do you expect BH to create a good AI for the game?


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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted November 17, 2011 09:22 AM

I played the first two prologue maps and now am waiting for the patch. Don't want to spoil fun.

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Lithium_111
Lithium_111


Hired Hero
posted November 17, 2011 09:27 AM

so are they fixing the AI in the upcoming patch?
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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted November 17, 2011 09:32 AM

We really need the AI that doesn't cheat.

No AI cheating anymore!

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kodial79
kodial79


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Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
posted November 17, 2011 09:34 AM

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so are they fixing the AI in the upcoming patch?


I somehow doubt they have the ability to do that. That's probably why the 1.2 patch is getting late. Cause they can't figure out how to make a good AI. And I bet that they will probably make it even worse.


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Avirosb
Avirosb


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Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted November 17, 2011 09:58 AM

They probably need to beta test it at some point.
In order to participate you will have to pre-order the first expansion pack, of course.

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blizzardboy
blizzardboy


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
posted November 17, 2011 10:10 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 10:10, 17 Nov 2011.

It's trickier to catch the AI compared to previous games, because when you're coming at them with a superior army they seem to definitely run away or portal to their home. My advice is to either wear a nice pair of boots or do a siege battle.
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mikkelgro
mikkelgro


Adventuring Hero
posted November 17, 2011 10:25 AM

If you look at the new Trigger AI map editor guide from Black Hole (go to the official H6 site, it's posted in the news section), it describes pretty well a lot of the various triggers for controlling the AI of a player or hero. Several modify their aggression, how chicken or gutsy they are and so forth. You can set a percentage for how much weaker in army power the enemy army needs to be before the AI can attack and so forth. Knowing this, I'm pretty sure we can create maps ourselves and override a lot of what's annoying in the released maps. Or even edit the released maps thus improving the tactics of their AI setups.

Just guessing wildly here though.

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mikkelgro
mikkelgro


Adventuring Hero
posted November 17, 2011 10:40 AM

Of course, improving the AI overall in the game is preferable, don't get me wrong.

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forest001
forest001


Known Hero
posted November 17, 2011 10:56 AM

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Without a good IQ for themselves, how do you expect BH to create a good AI for the game?




that's just daft...

I can understand you don't like it but statements like that make you look silly, like you could do so much better isn't it?

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kodial79
kodial79


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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted November 17, 2011 12:09 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 17:49, 17 Nov 2011.

I'm not proffessing that I can do it better but they were not up to the task either in the first place.

I have completely lost my faith in them that they can deliver. After claiming that the Town Screens will be like H3's and after saying that the many delays were because of improving the AI, after we get so many simply ridiculous bugs in the initial release; it becomes clear to me that they either lie deliberately or they don't have control of the game they created themselves. In any case, they really don't know what they're talking about.

It's the easiest strategy game I have ever played and that says alot. So easy in fact, that I doubt if it even should be called strategy.

Now matter how much they're going to try to improve the AI (if they do it at all, I have no reason to believe anything they say anymore) it will not get challenging. The mechanics of the game are such that they guarantee it.



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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted November 17, 2011 12:21 PM
Edited by Maurice at 12:22, 17 Nov 2011.

Logistics does work, you can try it with a Hero who has a point to spend and didn't get that perk yet. Have that Hero walk until no movement points are left, then get the perk. You will then be able to move a short distance further. As an aside, you can then see just how much more movement Logistics gives you.

By the way, even if you do have Logistics, it doesn't mean the enemy can't have Logistics either. And if both of you have it, then the effect is annulled, isn't it?

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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


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Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
posted November 17, 2011 12:43 PM

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Without a good IQ for themselves, how do you expect BH to create a good AI for the game?
+1
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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


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Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
posted November 17, 2011 04:56 PM

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ok i`m getting frustrated, everytime i chase an enemy hero and we are about to clash, he simply disappears! (teleporting like 12 year old back to castle )  wow i mean literally everytime!
spent 45 mins tryin to catch that prick and someone plz tell me the logistics perk isnt bugged coz it doesnt seem to do s**t.

Also, how the enemy gathers these massive armies and his are always superior to mine is beyond my comprehension




Just go in with less troops so that he fights you and you beat him with your superior skill

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kodial79
kodial79


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Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
posted November 17, 2011 05:23 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 17:48, 17 Nov 2011.

To tell you the truth I've been doing that... Cause I see no other way to coerce them into a fight. And still I win without casualties!


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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
What if Elvin was female?
posted November 17, 2011 05:33 PM

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Without a good IQ for themselves, how do you expect BH to create a good AI for the game?


Disrespectful. You don't know everything so let's leave it at that.
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kodial79
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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted November 17, 2011 05:40 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 17:48, 17 Nov 2011.

All I know is, no matter how hard I try, I can't think of a game more messy than this. I don't know how did they end up releasing it like that, that's true, but why should I excuse them?

After so many delays, most of them labelled as "AI is the priority" we got this...

What am I to think then?
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KingImp
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Famous Hero
posted November 17, 2011 05:57 PM
Edited by KingImp at 18:05, 17 Nov 2011.

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All I know is, no matter how hard I try, I can't think of a game more messy than this. I don't know how did they end up releasing it like that, that's true, but why should I excuse them?

After so many delays, most of them labelled as "AI is the priority" we got this...

What am I to think then?


Be careful. Someone will undoubtedly mention Heroes V now as if that was even close to being as bad on it's release as this game is.

I'm sorry, but for as bad as H5 was, it doesn't even come close to this joke of a product. H5 didn't have little to no hero selection when starting a game (sorry, I couldn't resist), multiple crashes, units whose abilities didn't work, AI taking control of your hero and then locking the game up, weeks of that put your units into the negative thus ending any further advancement, etc., etc., etc.

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kodial79
kodial79


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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted November 17, 2011 06:10 PM
Edited by kodial79 at 18:27, 17 Nov 2011.

To tell you the truth, I don't know how H5 was on release. When I bought it, it was ToE 3.1 and it was great.

I bought H4 on release though and as much as I despised it due to personal taste, I don't think it was as messy as this one is.

Too many bugs, too many ridiculous bugs at that, that should have never survived the BETA. Too many bad choices and an AI that turn this game from a strategy to a dungeon crawling game that could be easily beat even by kindergarten kids.

Currently I am playing the 2nd Necropolis Campaign. Nearing the end of it and I got 0 casualties. That's right, every battle won, a flawless victory.

Oh and by the way, talking about that specific campaign. What's that crap about Blood and Tears choices? In every one of them, I felt like choosing the Tears path but as I was already on the Blood path, I was taking that instead. There's not really a choice there. The first choice also defines the rest no matter how you feel about the situations.

EDIT: Actually, there were never a choice. Not a first choice either. Who would choose over the course of a story instead of the abilities that suit him better? I wanted to go Blood because I liked the abilities and that was it. In every such reputation choice, I was choosing Blood because of the abilities not because of the story.

"Sorry Kraal, ofcourse I would like to save you over some crappy books but you see, the Blood Reputation got these awesome abilities so I guess I'm gonna leave you to burn. Sorry!"
Nice role playing there...

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