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Thread: ~ Heroes 6 patch 1.5.2 - Discussion thread ~ This thread is 13 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 · «PREV / NEXT»
xerox
xerox


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posted July 29, 2012 12:20 AM

so the AI DOES cheat on normal?

I thought that, since it had an ENORMOUS army while I controlled over half of the maps creature dwellings, had 5 / 7 buildings week 2, and had very few loses.
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Dave_Jame
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posted July 29, 2012 11:54 AM

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so the AI DOES cheat on normal?

I thought that, since it had an ENORMOUS army while I controlled over half of the maps creature dwellings, had 5 / 7 buildings week 2, and had very few loses.


This would be understandable.. such advantages have been in the past, and if he would have the same situation as you, he would not have a chance since he is only a limited AI that does not have the option to load etc.

But one AI advantage I do hate is his "I See everything" ability. He just does not have to explore, he knows all. I do not know, how else he could exactly know, where my castle is, that I do not have any heroes in it and my army is to far away to return on foot. And he does this every game. Nobody enters my part of the map and sudanly a naga hero comes and goes the most direct way to ma castle. I understand Cheats for AI are needed for the game to be enjoyable, but this is one I do not support.
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xerox
xerox


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posted July 29, 2012 02:22 PM
Edited by xerox at 14:28, 29 Jul 2012.

Some thoughts about balance.

- They should really change Sanctuary's water walk. It sucks that we can't use multiplayer maps with water on it because of it.
Either, Sanctuary keeps it but all heroes get a waterwalking spell with a low mana cost. Or one of their weak special buildings could be changed to provide it.

- Sanctuary early special buildings are to weak compared to their price and I never build them on 1v1 multiplayer maps.

- The 4th level of their racial skills sucks and is not worth saving for. The only thing it does is to inflict enemies with the weak Chilled effect. A suggestion is that instead, it gives Sanc units the chance to freeze their enemies when struck.

- The Glories AoE dispell is still craaaaazy OP!

Otherwise, I must say that Sanctuary is an amazing faction that feels really balanced and gives the player a lot of options!
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Miru
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posted July 29, 2012 11:05 PM

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- The 4th level of their racial skills sucks and is not worth saving for. The only thing it does is to inflict enemies with the weak Chilled effect. A suggestion is that instead, it gives Sanc units the chance to freeze their enemies when struck.

This is really part of the broader problem that chilled sucks. There is a whole chilled theme and the whole lot of it is useless.
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Naki
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posted July 29, 2012 11:09 PM

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Quote:
- The 4th level of their racial skills sucks and is not worth saving for. The only thing it does is to inflict enemies with the weak Chilled effect. A suggestion is that instead, it gives Sanc units the chance to freeze their enemies when struck.

This is really part of the broader problem that chilled sucks. There is a whole chilled theme and the whole lot of it is useless.

Reducing a melee unit speed to 0 is nice, though. For example with an Ice Bolt.

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xerox
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posted July 29, 2012 11:49 PM

that's the freeze effect
the chilled effect reduces enemy speed by 2

(actually that could result in 0 movement if used with the Wanimaze cripple ability)
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Miru
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posted July 30, 2012 03:55 AM

Chilled reduces movement by 2? That's not so bad. I thought it did 20% vulnerability to fire damage, I remember someone making a point that no faction has access to both fire damage and the chilled effect making it useless.
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DoubleDeck
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posted July 30, 2012 08:47 AM

Chilled effect reduces movement AND gives 20% vulnerability to Fire damage. Only Stronghold can use both Fire and Water magic schools so would need something like Blizzard (with Eternal Winter) to chill and then cast fireball/fire storm to get multiple enemies to suffer....
It does seem cumbersome to go this route as Air Magic is a must for Magic Orcs...

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Elvin
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Endless Revival
posted July 30, 2012 11:21 AM

They made it -2 now..? I really should start playing again, it seems I have missed a few things.
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Naki
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posted July 30, 2012 03:41 PM
Edited by Naki at 19:17, 22 Aug 2012.

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that's the freeze effect
the chilled effect reduces enemy speed by 2

(actually that could result in 0 movement if used with the Wanimaze cripple ability)

Nope. It reduces speed just by 1, not 2.

Quote:
They made it -2 now..? I really should start playing again, it seems I have missed a few things.

No, still 1.

By the way, a bug that bugs me is that "Chilled" effect + Slow should stack, but do not.

Quote:
The patch was released on July 12th.

No, it was released much later than than, please edit!
July 12th was the date 1.5 was released. Then 1.5.1 and 1.5.2 came out also.
DATE FOR 1.5.2 patch: JULY 25th.

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Naki
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posted July 30, 2012 03:45 PM
Edited by Naki at 22:14, 30 Jul 2012.

Quote:
Chilled effect reduces movement AND gives 20% vulnerability to Fire damage. Only Stronghold can use both Fire and Water magic schools so would need something like Blizzard (with Eternal Winter) to chill and then cast fireball/fire storm to get multiple enemies to suffer....
It does seem cumbersome to go this route as Air Magic is a must for Magic Orcs...

It reduces the Initiative of the enemy unit too! At least it does when I attack an enemy with my Sanctuary Yuki-Onnas (may be a special of the Yuki-Onnas, however).

Quote:
that's the freeze effect
the chilled effect reduces enemy speed by 2

(actually that could result in 0 movement if used with the Wanimaze cripple ability)

1) Yes, sorry - in the Russian version the name of the two effects is very similar, unlike in the English version. So in the Russian version it is easy to confuse the two.
2) Reduces by 1, not 2.

Quote:
... (actually that could result in 0 movement if used with the Wanimaze cripple ability)

It is 'Wanizame' (not 'Wanimaze'). "Wanizame" seems to mean "shark" in  Japanese.

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so the AI DOES cheat on normal?

I thought that, since it had an ENORMOUS army while I controlled over half of the maps creature dwellings, had 5 / 7 buildings week 2, and had very few loses.

Is that in Campaign or Single map? Which Campaign mission? Which month/week were you into when you met that HUGE army?

I have not yet met a Campaign mission that would be hard, with just 1-2 minor exceptions (when playing as a Might hero). Playing on Normal, just 4-5 Campaign missions to go (playing the Campaigns in the supposed Chronological Order) + Epilogues.

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xerox
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posted July 30, 2012 11:55 PM

single map

now I'm not saying that it makes the game to hard, but that it is kinda lame that the AI has to cheat in order to be challenging
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DoubleDeck
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posted July 31, 2012 08:30 AM

Finished the Pirates campaign and then went back to normal campaign to finish the epilogues...

Then wanted to show a mate the Pirates map 2 on the cool graphics and the save game won't load.....my current saves on the epilogue work though, but still.

Seems like silly discussion again on saves but I thought 1.5.2 sorted saves out....

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blob2
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posted July 31, 2012 12:20 PM

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Seems like silly discussion again on saves but I thought 1.5.2 sorted saves out....


It's time like these I really miss oldschool games which didn't depend on internet connection. Sure those games had issues like save crashes, but at least frequent server downtimes and stupid save systems didn't affect your gaming experience... Times when we got full-fledged expansion packs instead of some expensive and poor DLC sh*t (that's for you devs)...

Also it seems, that in my case, the addition of town screens made the game more unstable (frequent crashes) then it was before...sigh...
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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted July 31, 2012 01:17 PM

I'm glad I deactivated the cloud sync. I never had any save issues since.
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War-overlord
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posted July 31, 2012 01:30 PM

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I'm glad I deactivated the cloud sync. I never had any save issues since.

Realy? I never turned it off and since the new patch I have no problems anymore either.
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Elvin
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posted July 31, 2012 02:01 PM

Yes but I don't have to wait for the synchronizing. That really pissed me off.
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War-overlord
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posted July 31, 2012 02:02 PM

A minute at most. That, I can wait.
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xerox
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posted July 31, 2012 04:57 PM

Cloud synch doesn't add ANYTHING useful to the game.
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posted July 31, 2012 04:58 PM
Edited by blob2 at 17:00, 31 Jul 2012.

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Realy? I never turned it off and since the new patch I have no problems anymore either.


On the contrary! Practically every time after playing the game for more then 2 hours and quitting, I get a sync error, so my saves go to hell. As a countermeasure I stop playing, take a break, and restart the game every hour. Healthy but frustrating...
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