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Thread: [Official Thread] HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Announcements, Questions, Features This Super Thread is 549 pages long: 1 70 140 210 280 350 420 ... 488 489 490 491 492 ... 549 · «PREV / NEXT»
Ghost
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posted October 30, 2021 05:37 AM

Happy Halloween!

Ok story:

The best and worst opening in chess. Guess! More than 10k is worse and 50 is the best. Ok today game day is Halloween Gambit:



Horror! Ok if black plays right, black has a one point in the lead. Not yet know if good but computer analysis. Masters don't dare to play before knowing the purpose of the pattern.

You can't say rule, balance or not allow. So this thread talks the Factory, etc Not First Aid or Eagle Eye.
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NimoStar
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posted October 30, 2021 08:01 PM

The title is

Quote:
HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Announcements, Questions, Features


Not

Quote:
HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Factory faction


Also, it is "factory faction" which is unknown, but eagle eye is known; and won't be changed by a new faction alone.

Probably the mechanical spiders are influenced by "Wild, wild west" movie, which seems to be an inspiration for Factory in general.

The genre is called "Cattlepunk" (lol)
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HrDahl
HrDahl

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posted October 31, 2021 08:33 AM

I wonder what the probability is for Factory to be released before christmas. Any guesses?

I have a yearly tradition with my brother over christmas where we meet at our parents house and live there for a weeks time. One of the key traditions is playing HOTA with all the pleasures of christmas incl. food, walks around the area and kids running around. I really hope that Factory will be released before, so we can enjoy that together!

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Phoenix4ever
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posted October 31, 2021 08:38 AM

At New Years, if we are lucky.

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Titanfall2020
Titanfall2020


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posted October 31, 2021 04:07 PM

HrDahl said:
I wonder what the probability is for Factory to be released before christmas. Any guesses?

I have a yearly tradition with my brother over christmas where we meet at our parents house and live there for a weeks time. One of the key traditions is playing HOTA with all the pleasures of christmas incl. food, walks around the area and kids running around. I really hope that Factory will be released before, so we can enjoy that together!



Ahh sounds like a great time friend! Me and my two brothers do the same

Here's to hoping. My guess is sometime after March 2022

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EvilCherry
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posted November 01, 2021 12:02 PM

Tordah said:
There has been very little activity lately so i post a quick happy Halloween weekend for all of you guys.


Thanks ! Happy Halloween everyone !

Now that Halloween is passed, we can start making our wishlist for santa Claus.
I gather here the list of what i wish for and of stuff that i saw people ask for:
-I wish for impassable terrain decoration objects that are 1 tile wide and 2 tiles high.
-I wish for more impassable terrain decoration objects that are L-shaped in a 4 tiles square.
-I wish for a BIG increase of population growth in neutral creatures' dwellings, especially Boars and Mummies, so that the player will start consider maybe recruiting them.
-I wish for Steel Golems to be included in a seperate neutral Golem Factory dwelling alongside Gold and Diamond Golems OR for all Golems to become Tower-aligned and just add Steel Golems to the current Golem Factory.
-I wish for an upgraded version of the Temple of Loyalty to be active until the end of the Month (even end of the Week would be too weak of an effect i believe).
-I wish for a new adventure map building or secondary skill that allows the player to have no Morale penalty for mixing 2 factions in their army. If it's an adventure map building this effect should have a cost and last for the entire game. If it's a skill it would be 2 then 3 then 4 factions allowed in the army before applying the -1 Morale.
-People wish for a rework or balance of the secondary skills Learning, Eagle Eye and probably First Aid and Scholar too. (It's ok if the rework doesn't please anyone: at least some experimenting would have been tested AND it can be reverted at any point AND these skills currently aren't used anyway.).

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Phoenix4ever
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posted November 01, 2021 12:29 PM

Scholar is pretty fine already or it could be combined with Eagle Eye, which is already a worse version of Scholar.

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Ghost
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posted November 01, 2021 03:28 PM

Remember adventure and walkthrough! Sal's Time of Prophecy, if I remember right, or my Elite map used Eagle Eye. Esp. walkthrough. Yes I remember one Corribus's map. Strongest player never visit his/her town, they always conquered and fight with enemies. Rarely spells what Eagle Eye can learn them by your mapeditor. Excellent!
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Gardork
Gardork

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posted November 03, 2021 01:41 PM

NimoStar said:
Gardork said:
FirePaladin said:
Would be kinda inconvenient for them to be spiders....


What do you mean ?


Some infamous erwin-meme thing about Necropolis beiung "spiderized".

In any case, spider or not, I think your creature is way overengineered with three complicated unique and unintuitive abilities.



Thanks for your reply
It wouldn't seem to crazy to me, but I aknowledged it may be too much by saying it could include those. At least that's what I was trying to say.

Jumping + exploding or disease/fireshield would make for some fun gameplay, I think.

And by the way Wild Wild West was indeed why I was thinking spiders. That and the neat real-life desert spider I mentionned.

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culgil
culgil


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posted November 07, 2021 02:45 PM

Great thanks to Docent Picolan and the crew for their astonishing work!

One year ago today, the great Docent Picolan deceased tragically. To commemorate him, I want to thank the whole HotA crew for their invaluable contribution to this wonderful good old game!

This "mod" has become a de facto expansion of Heroes III sparking a resurgence of players, multiplayer online matches and tournaments. Already without the Factory, it is a very, very refined mod showcasing Heroes III in perhaps the best way ever.
The crew has put so much vision, passion, time, attention to detail and skill into it, it really shows: graphical fixes, QoL features, careful balance changes, bugfixing, a lot of fresh content from neutral units to map objects, new core features like spell research, the RMG template editor, the online lobby and simultaneous turns, and finally completely new towns and terrains with fantastic music scores by Docent Picolan.

Thank you for your great work!
May this mod live on for long!

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NimoStar
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posted November 09, 2021 12:35 AM

Only thing I wish about Scholar is that it could transmit elevel 5 spells, thus becoming the only way to teaching spells found in Pyramids.

Otherwise it is a little pointless (meaning it only saves some movement)
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Ghost
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posted November 09, 2021 01:01 AM

@NimoStar

Still useless. When I did "My opinion and wish about the Heroes 8" thread reads/says

EAGLE EYE - The same H3, but Master 70% and GM 80%, also both 5lvl. One still thing, Basic Eagle Eye can learn your 1lvl Mage Guild without visit your town, GM means 5lvl.

Specialty -

Ok I combined Eagle Eye and Scholar becomes OP. Heh Phoenix.. This before I analyzed the maps, you need a TP, then you've force go to your town back is slow, and you pay your times.

If you want be Scholar, I suggest you, NimoStar, only Scholar user can learn spells from the Pyramid. In a Pyramid should have a several of hidden spells, etc thus random. In principle Tower has more spells.

It's useless, because common maps haven't a Pyramid. Only idea is good but useful, then I wait for some finds my Eagle Eye is also useless.

Remember walkthrough uses Eagle Eye and Scholar, so we can't remove them. A normal game, those are useless, except special map.
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NimoStar
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posted November 09, 2021 03:04 AM

Well, all skills depend on map in a way or another.

Map without water -> Navigation is useless

Map where towns are one day walk away-> Logistics is useless

Map that only uses terrains without movement penalty -> Pathfinding is useless

Map where you have Tower grail -> Scouting is useless

And so on and so forth...

The thing is making a skill in such way that it can be useful at least *sometimes*

Eagle eye for example is always useless, basically, since it is random not even mapmakers can depend on it.

If scholar can learn/teach lvl5 spells, at least there a is special utility from it and pyramids (not only mage guild spells; pyramid spells, unlike others, only are learned once), otherwise there is no special utility except saving a bit of movement by learning fro, hero instead of guild.
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firespirit
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posted November 09, 2021 07:47 AM
Edited by firespirit at 07:48, 09 Nov 2021.

NimoStar said:
Eagle eye for example is always useless, basically, since it is random not even mapmakers can depend on it.
A map can be built around it.. If you're interested, try the Eternal Love campaign.
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Phoenix4ever
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posted November 09, 2021 08:13 AM

@Nimo
What about a few new Scholar specialists, that are able to learn/teach level 5 spells.

OR

Pyramids could be revisitable, but additional visits would still give bad luck.

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Ghost
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posted November 09, 2021 10:51 AM

@firespirit, NimoStar

If you're instered start creating Eagle Eye in your map. I reveal the basic is enabled spells to AI heroes or Pandora's Box or event, and disabled your selection spells in mage guilds. Because we never experienced good spells about AI. Then you do co-op, human vs AI, etc I recommend AI chooses Secondary Skills, thus random effects e.g. Forgetfulness, no easy. Then you find more a new idea.

@all you

I think H3 should be Town Gate (H4), if opponent casts TG during combat, you can learn it. That's why I built for H8 or some needs balance in H3. If I know how to use ERA scripts, I create MOD for all players.

@Phoenix

5% Specialty hmm if ERA (FirePaladin said HotA isn't ERA, and Galaad said HotA is ERA) allows a new speciality.
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wojtulace
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posted November 09, 2021 11:24 AM

I wish for complete magic overhaul/rebalance.

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NimoStar
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posted November 09, 2021 12:55 PM

firespirit said:
NimoStar said:
Eagle eye for example is always useless, basically, since it is random not even mapmakers can depend on it.
A map can be built around it.. If you're interested, try the Eternal Love campaign.


Could be, but still the randomness means you are depending on something else for it to work. Unless the hero has Expert Eagle and all artifacts (does that give 100%? Or just 90%?)

phoenix4ever said:
@Nimo
What about a few new Scholar specialists, that are able to learn/teach level 5 spells.

OR

Pyramids could be revisitable, but additional visits would still give bad luck.


The first idea has the problem that it would need Expert Scholar first to make sense, which isn't how skill specialties normally work. I'd rather it be part of the base: Basic lvl:1-2, Advanced lvl:3-4, and Expert level 5.

However, I do wonder how a Scholar specialist would work. Maybe learn hidden spells from mage guild, as if a secret "Library"? Probably too much work to implement for just a specialty...

On the other hand, I do like the Pyramid idea. This also would get rid of the "The spell is lost" effect when entering with a hero without Expert Wisdom, which is a bummer. ALso, probably the AI doesn't know it needs this and just clears pyramids for the lulz-
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posted November 09, 2021 01:55 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 13:57, 09 Nov 2021.

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5% Specialty hmm if ERA (FirePaladin said HotA isn't ERA, and Galaad said HotA is ERA) allows a new speciality.


New specialties should be relatively easy to add for anyone who has a decent access to the game's code, like HotA team as one example, regardless of it being ERA, or SoD or HotA (and of course, anyone with decent C++ knowledge).
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Phoenix4ever
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posted November 09, 2021 03:03 PM
Edited by Phoenix4ever at 17:19, 09 Nov 2021.

NimoStar said:

The first idea has the problem that it would need Expert Scholar first to make sense, which isn't how skill specialties normally work. I'd rather it be part of the base: Basic lvl:1-2, Advanced lvl:3-4, and Expert level 5.

However, I do wonder how a Scholar specialist would work. Maybe learn hidden spells from mage guild, as if a secret "Library"? Probably too much work to implement for just a specialty...

On the other hand, I do like the Pyramid idea. This also would get rid of the "The spell is lost" effect when entering with a hero without Expert Wisdom, which is a bummer. ALso, probably the AI doesn't know it needs this and just clears pyramids for the lulz-

The Scholar specialty could add +1 spell level per Scholar level, so Basic 1-3, Advanced 1-4 and Expert 1-5 of course you would still need the appropriate level of Wisdom.

Regarding the Pyramids, I always put level 18 Quest Guards in front of them to ensure all (most) heroes have Expert Wisdom at that point, so it is'nt wasted.
But I rather the Pyramids could just be visited again instead of being a one-time event.

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