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Thread: [Official Thread] HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Announcements, Questions, Features This Super Thread is 513 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 ... 100 200 300 400 500 ... 509 510 511 512 513 · «PREV / NEXT»
Hourglass
Hourglass


Famous Hero
posted July 17, 2022 12:40 AM

FdgK said:
I've just done an ‘experiment’ listening to the track while looking at a full screen picture of the town screen and I have to say that contrary to my first impression it fits the mood way better than I thought initially. I think I would not have minded the piece to be the town screen theme after all but I am positive that the alternative will be equally fitting or even better.

Well, I was sure I wasn't the only one.

I played the Romero's theme and the town screen video from few years back.

I think it's a good piece of music, but I got to admit it sounds kinda different than the other Homm3 tracks, and not necessary in a good way. There's also a lot of things happening in the (old) town screen, which makes listening a melancholic music kind of odd. I think not replacing it wouldn't have necessary scared anyone away from Factory, but on the other hand I think Docent had something quite different in his mind, when you listen to his music he made to the Factory videos.

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NimoStar
NimoStar


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Modding the Unmoddable
posted July 17, 2022 03:44 AM
Edited by NimoStar at 04:09, 17 Jul 2022.

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I am just pointing out the fact that they are keeping alive HoMM3 wether some of you like it or not and thats respectable in the least.

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ignoring thrash posts

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just be thankful

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be happy

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keeps these forums alive


Bruh it is your attitude that deserves criticism

"keepiong the game alive" is lulz, I seem to recall H3 was pretty "alive" well before HotA existed for over a decade, and has kept being a live with a multitude of other mods which don't seek to *prevent* other people froom modding. If everything HotA creatiors want the scene dead and keep a monopoly. Fortunately this hasn't worked out.

and well, for something to be "kept alive" "thanks" to them they should actually release anything. They haven't done so for years.

So we are suppossed to be "grateful" for what exactly? A post every 6 months where they say there is no news of possible release? Or where they scrap and discard stuff done to help them?

Yeah, real thankful for that one. I for one don't have to be a blind fanboy. If I haven't been for Ubi should I be for this?
"just be thankful there is Homm VII"
"Just be happy someone is making Might and Magic mobile"
"just praise the devs for the microtransactions"
"just be happy for the lack of moddability and DRM"
"just be thankful Erwan keeps the franchise alive"
And so forth...

In fact I do respect the work of hota team as a whole even if I don't agree with their "vision", I just don't respect the attitude of apologetic fanboys who can only trash talk everyone with a proposal.

Oh, and if contrary to what you said, many "stupid suggestions" from this thread and others *were* incorporated to the game over the years. It is you, if incapable of change and criticism, who hasn't contributed anything to your beloved mod. Of course when hota team picks up on a suggestion is stops being "stupid useless snow" and is now a "brilliant hallmark orf design and careful testing". Curious isn't it?

Its very disingenous to not expect a negative reaction to fanboying if you are deliberately disrespecting the work of tens of modders and pretending that VCMI, ERA, HD scripts, New Spells Plugin, "Another Heroes 3 Mod", Knightmare Kingdoms, and tons of others that are actually releasing all the time don't even exist... according to you, just hota keeps both the game AND the forum alive with their bi-yearly delay and no progress announcements, and we all ought to be blessed in blind devotion for that. Sure, bro.

Cope and seethe.
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Ghost
Ghost


Legendary Hero
Therefore I am
posted July 22, 2022 06:44 PM

Good day HotA!

I can't wait for project is ready.. Thus WoG/ERA! Map's name is 8 Mighty Kings is coming to maps4heroes.. Now we can meet Stronghold..



Stronghold hasn't spells, only Battle Mages have a one spell, so OP heroes are Gundula and Terek. You must to play change of variation. A map has force you play to style or shortcut. Think about Scholar, but limited 8 spells without Earth, Air, Fire and Water. Only Wisdom. Hmm other can't buy a Barbarians and Battle Mages.

So good day HotA!
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Winston
Winston


Adventuring Hero
posted July 22, 2022 09:15 PM

NimoStar said:
Bruh it is your attitude that deserves criticism

"keepiong the game alive" is lulz, I seem to recall H3 was pretty "alive" well before HotA existed for over a decade, and has kept being a live with a multitude of other mods which don't seek to *prevent* other people froom modding. If everything HotA creatiors want the scene dead and keep a monopoly. Fortunately this hasn't worked out.

I'll just add to this that mods and modders who put DRM in mods or otherwise restrict modding of their own mods are hypocrites and harm the entire modding community.

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weilan
weilan


Adventuring Hero
posted July 23, 2022 12:35 PM

Everyone can choose what mods they want to use without imposing their opinion on others.

At the end of the day HoTA is still a mod, it just came to establish itself as one of the most popular mods for HoMM3 and the way it's structured based on what it brings to the game, it can be considered an unofficial expansion to the game, but at the end of the day, it's still a mod since it's not endorsed in any way by any of the game's original developers.

Even more so the fact that the development studio has been probably defunct for almost 20 years means that even if some of the former developers endorse this, it means absolutely nothing from a legal perspective. Since Ubisoft are the current owners of the IP, they should be the ones to endorse it (if they ever will and we all know they won't... unless they can somehow claim HoTA to be their own creation and try to milk it).

I used to think WoG was a cool mod around 2005 when I first discovered it, but it had its flaws, I still think it's cool, but I prefer HoTA, because it's somehow more modest in terms of game changes compared to what WoG does, which also feels a bit lore-unfriendly.

I see ERA as a platform for mods, I'm not entirely sure what VCMI's goal is, but as it is with most such old games with mods - TES 3 Morrowind, Age of Empires 2, etc. there are different modder groups working on their own mods and some can coexist together, others can't but at the end of the day, it's the end user who decides what mods they want to use, but imposing their opinion as an undisputable fact upon others is not the way to go. Keep to your own and enjoy playing what you want.

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Ghost
Ghost


Legendary Hero
Therefore I am
posted July 23, 2022 04:47 PM

A good writing..

Ok I think that 8 Mighty Kings (WoG/ERA) map isn't a problem. When if map is HotA, and they destroy a map too. So Eagle Eye to Fortress, magicial immune to Stronghold, etc without fight. For me player owns both.. Thus WoG/ERA is single and freedom script for MOD. HotA for only MP.. Remember 2005 WoG was been poor also unsure HotA.. No hope that HotA needs experience! WoG/ERA is experienced now.. Thus temporary dead.. What HotA isn't ready.. Impossible! MOD never complete! And 100 different MODs are crazy, because different balance, nerfed, buffed, etc WoG/ERA has standard and balanced option. HotA hasn't anything and it goes to raw MP.. It services noobs.. Where are banned Red Orb, etc are relative to WoG/ERA.. Both good..
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shev441
shev441


Adventuring Hero
posted July 23, 2022 07:31 PM

Why you post some Era/wog stuff here? Its Hota thread.

CAMPAIGN QUESTION/SUGESTION
In posts above Hota Crew said that they are going to remake all campaign movies (not only for new Factory campaign, but also for first 3).
Does it mean that they are going to get also remake in terms of maps? What I mean is that those campaign were created in early Hota versions (1.0.-1.4  so in years 2009-2016?). Since then 2 new terrains were introduced ( Highlands and Wastelands), New objects and we are about to have new town - Factory.
I think it would be nice to implement some of new features into old campaigns. It would be nice to spot there maybe somewhere factory town or if in plot it was mentioned some news about Factory.
That way factory would be grounded in H3 lore better. It would have its main campaign but also some small apperances in other campaign maps.

It would also be logical to modify them/add new elements to them to make replaying them reasonable and enjoyable. It would be sad if you would made all that effort to campaign movies , if in the end most players wouldn't play it cause "its exacly same campaing as I played years before"


To some extent it also goes for single scenerio maps that were created in early Hota version and they only have few new features. Also highlands and wastelands are amazing terrains but only like 5 or 7 maps in a game have them included. Remake of some old maps like change one island or one players zone from snow/dirt/grass into new hota's terrain seems quite easy (you olny have to change part of map, not whole) and would add that fresh effect.

Looking forward for next update. Hope that along with new town there will be more changes to balance of secondary skills. Even buffing one uselsess would be huge thing.

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aztorin5
aztorin5

Tavern Dweller
posted July 25, 2022 04:59 PM

shev441 said:
Looking forward for next update. Hope that along with new town there will be more changes to balance of secondary skills. Even buffing one uselsess would be huge thing.

Forget about it. They accually announced that secondary skills and magic would not be touched. Of course they didn't announce it here or via facebook - this is "top secret" info for russian forum members only Btw, most hillarious thing was that they published statement for english-speaking players about confusion with Paul Romero's Factory track and they post it also only in russian forum with a note "sharing is advised Communication - level expert.

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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted July 25, 2022 05:36 PM

Maybe they are just really terrible at English and that's why they never post here?
Not doing anything about skills or spells is really a missed opportunity.

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Hourglass
Hourglass


Famous Hero
posted July 25, 2022 06:20 PM

Phoenix4ever said:
Maybe they are just really terrible at English and that's why they never post here?
Not doing anything about skills or spells is really a missed opportunity.

I don't think it no longer makes much sense to post in HC for them especially. I mean, let's face it, these forums have been on a life support for multiple years, the things were a bit different when this post was created for for example. Also the discussions here are mostly not going anywhere, and even then, around half of talking is being done by users who are not interested about/do not play/ downright hate Hota. I mean, why post here if the average user is not interested?

That being said, I'm not sure if we have even missed some major updates, such as creature introduction or such(?)

As for secondary skills/spells/other changes, I wouldn't totally count them out by now. AFAIK, the statements about there being Factory and only Factory in the next patch are already year old "news."


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Ghost
Ghost


Legendary Hero
Therefore I am
posted July 25, 2022 07:08 PM

@@Maybe they are just really terrible at English@@

xD I can do interpreter, did you know kapta means map in Russian, but google says card in English also Finnish kortti means card. Hire me! I'm fake interpreter. Ok only NimoStar can do news to us, if he wants so. In there HC'ers always wrote English.. and well-known Russians wrote English back.. To ask NimoStar, HC'ers..
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RerryR
RerryR


Promising
Supreme Hero
Researching Magic
posted July 25, 2022 10:53 PM

@Hourglass
Iam not sure if you are following russian DF2 forum? But I do sometimes and I can tell you it is exactly the same there. People making suggestions (which are always the same, for years it is the same suggestion that coming from the community) then there's some discussion about why this and that should not be made. Some competitive experts pop in the discussion giving their input and then the cycle repeats by some new users making some suggestions.
Very rarely a dev says a few words.The post count has gone down there aswell. Because there have been no worthy news for a long time and people get tired of writing about the same over and over again, realizing it makes no difference whatsoever.  

There might be other channels like VK or Discord that I don't monitor and cannot say about any activity there.

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Hourglass
Hourglass


Famous Hero
posted July 27, 2022 07:55 PM

@Rerry
Yeah, I do follow the site, but mainly just the 2 most used Hota threads. When Factory's development started, I remember checking the site on almost daily basis, now there might pass a month between the visits. But that being said, not sure if I agree with your description of the site; I mean, it's a decade old project, and like you said, not everybody discovered it on the same time. It's only natural there might be subjects that have "already been discussed." But that wasn't something that I personally meant when I said the discussions don't go anywhere here. And about the developer activity, I'm kinda left scratching my head - I did scroll through several latest pages of both threads, and didn't really find pages where there wouldn't be a dev attending to the discussion. Are you talking about a certain period of time there, or is there perhaps a confusion of who is being a developer? I also remember Docent really taking his time and writing pretty in-depth posts/answers back then.

I wouldn't call the things being the same here and there. Personally, I found the discussion culture there being more mature; you can like the project without taking a fanboy-stamp from the nay-sayers, and their community can also draw a line between real criticism and downright trolling. Versus here, it is somehow possible for some people to bash Hota in every way possible in other threads or perhaps in other Homm3 related media. Then when they come to one the Hota threads in HC, they do the same here, and when someone points out their hogwash, they flash a hand full of victim cards, and proceed expecting to remain as a reliable source.

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Tordah
Tordah


Adventuring Hero
posted July 29, 2022 02:04 AM

Hi all. Just checking in real quick. I learned of the update regarding HotA. I am glad! Eventually we will get this new content. No need to stress.

I would also like to mention again that i would really appreciate the addition of an official French lobby in HotA online multiplayer added code.

Many thanks to all of you for keeping this thread entertaining and updated, and god bless you in these trying times. I absolutely wish the best to every single one of you regardless of politics or nationality.

Friendly reminder that on here we are all homies sharing appreciation for a game. We're not enemies. We will probably never meet. We will never know each other's political affiliation let alone real names. There is enough broadcasts permanently scaremongering in the outside world in our lives, so all i ask is that we do not make this place another battlefield for pointless arguing. You will exhaust yourself and nothing will change, so is the nature of the internet.

Peace be upon you my brothers.

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pizdabol
pizdabol


Hired Hero
posted July 29, 2022 03:26 AM

Tordah said:
Hi all. Just checking in real quick. I learned of the update regarding HotA. I am glad! Eventually we will get this new content. No need to stress.

I would also like to mention again that i would really appreciate the addition of an official French lobby in HotA online multiplayer added code.

Many thanks to all of you for keeping this thread entertaining and updated, and god bless you in these trying times. I absolutely wish the best to every single one of you regardless of politics or nationality.

Friendly reminder that on here we are all homies sharing appreciation for a game. We're not enemies. We will probably never meet. We will never know each other's political affiliation let alone real names. There is enough broadcasts permanently scaremongering in the outside world in our lives, so all i ask is that we do not make this place another battlefield for pointless arguing. You will exhaust yourself and nothing will change, so is the nature of the internet.

Peace be upon you my brothers.


The snow???

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NimoStar
NimoStar


Honorable
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
posted July 29, 2022 01:58 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 13:59, 29 Jul 2022.

People that recognize that they only visit a whole forum with tens of mods and thousands of post of all HOMM games

To read a thread about hota

Tell others that they lack gameplay vision-
and complain about "not being fanboys"
despite ignoring literally everything else and pretending it doesn't exist.

I want to cry, but I don't know if for the human ignorance or for all the modding wasted by very talented and dedicated people.

And that is why I will never release a H3 mod at least not for the western community.

I wonder if Kongsuni has to deal with people like that in Korean community, that while he adds ten whole factions in half a year, still say that "only hota keeps the game alive" by doing nothing. I hope not.

Anyways, peace out.
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VMaiko
VMaiko


Known Hero
posted July 30, 2022 12:04 AM

I just want them to release Factory to peacefully finish the project, this pressure towards HotA Crew is not deserved by anyone, and it's worthy that they take their time to finish it and close the project.

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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted July 30, 2022 07:29 AM

Why do you want them to close the project, when there are still bugs, unbalances and missing stuff in the game

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Hourglass
Hourglass


Famous Hero
posted July 30, 2022 10:29 AM

NimoStar said:
People that recognize that they only visit a whole forum with tens of mods and thousands of post of all HOMM games

To read a thread about hota

Tell others that they lack gameplay vision-
and complain about "not being fanboys"
despite ignoring literally everything else and pretending it doesn't exist.

I want to cry, but I don't know if for the human ignorance or for all the modding wasted by very talented and dedicated people.

And that is why I will never release a H3 mod at least not for the western community.

So, we got the "fanboy" accusation, we got the victim playing, we got everything - I'm not sure how, but it appears you ended up stumbling upon literally every single point that I made.

Not sure why you're suddenly puzzled of why Hota has following and dozen of other mods do not.

The harsh outcome about the Hota's polished graphic's style is that now every single town/creature/such is being judged by their standards, and I suspect there have been some similar "quality control" pre-Hota as well. I'm quite sure the community isn't afraid of "bad graphics," (I mean, it's a game from the 90's) but if the graphics don't match with the original style, many - or perhaps even majority of - players are left uninterested. This is however only a start, and it takes way more things than just polished pixels to build interest for years to come. In the end, you have to have some kind of identity.

So, at first match the style and then start building a following from there. This is exactly why DoR is under community's big magnifying glass, as they seem to have to capability to mimic the original style and overall the teaser we got looks very promising. But until it gets released, only thing that really matches Hota is Hota itself.

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Ghost
Ghost


Legendary Hero
Therefore I am
posted July 30, 2022 10:36 AM

I don't know what I can tell a normal thing to you, but before HotA, I've surfed too much Heroes, I downloaded old HotA pictures, etc I've seen DoC colour and colourless picture. When he is dead, and showed the same picture. No aging change.. Ok
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