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Thread: [Official Thread] HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Announcements, Questions, Features This Super Thread is 513 pages long: 1 60 120 180 240 300 360 420 480 ... 506 507 508 509 510 ... 513 · «PREV / NEXT»
Dairy
Dairy


Known Hero
posted July 09, 2022 01:09 AM

Great news, much better than I would've even expected, since for quite some time we had no news at all.

Watching this thread for years and some people need to pull their heads outta their lower hole, since being happy about constructed like about dead project is simply their own ugliness and incompetence. Shame on you, with your half baked ideas which you demand from team of people who are creating one of, if not the best mods for HoMM3, period. They keep this game alive even without your silly posts.

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ruZkie
ruZkie

Tavern Dweller
Idi na khuy
posted July 09, 2022 03:31 AM

On Paul's Youtube channel you can see a couple of videos with support for Ukraine. Despite the Russian invasion he also plans to go there and play a concert....

I am 100% convinced that this is the reason for HotA's end of cooperation with him. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply naive.

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Popcioslav
Popcioslav


Hired Hero
The best H4 unit
posted July 09, 2022 11:28 AM

Dairy said:

Watching this thread for years and some people need to pull their heads outta their lower hole, since being happy about constructed like about dead project is simply their own ugliness and incompetence. Shame on you, with your half baked ideas which you demand from team of people who are creating one of, if not the best mods for HoMM3, period. They keep this game alive even without your silly posts.

This is probably sarcasm or bait too, but I'll bite.
The moment when I see posts like this, is the moment when I've stopped being positive at all about the project, which is probably the opposite of what you wanted to achieve Dairy, with all of your shilling prowess.

"Sure, let's just ignore all of the people saying criticism, no matter if constructive, they're trolls and they don't realize their posts are silly and not helpful at all!!!" Although yes, a lot of suggestions on this thread were either biased or daydreaming, that doesn't matter all of them need to be shamed.

But sure, go on, just blindly defend them, even though they've had great relationships with fans before and actually posted images/proof of things. The town will come out eventually, even though the changes in management and delays make me think otherwise. There's really no need to shill or blindly defend any game or mod like this, you're only making people believe the fandom is toxic by doing so.

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StrangeFin
StrangeFin

Tavern Dweller
posted July 09, 2022 11:48 AM

Saying the project is dead (when in fact it isn't) and also saying that's a good thing is by no stretch "positive critisism".

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FdgK
FdgK


Adventuring Hero
posted July 10, 2022 01:16 PM
Edited by FdgK at 13:19, 10 Jul 2022.

Opera said:
I too dont like the music Paul created for Factory


Sorry, but where did you all find the finished piece? I looked for it but all I could find was the WIP video from 2020. Could somebody post a link or tell me where to find it? Thank you very much in advance.

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revolut1oN
revolut1oN


Famous Hero
posted July 10, 2022 10:38 PM
Edited by revolut1oN at 22:42, 10 Jul 2022.

Popcioslav said:


But sure, go on, just blindly defend them, even though they've had great relationships with fans before and actually posted images/proof of things. The town will come out eventually, even though the changes in management and delays make me think otherwise. There's really no need to shill or blindly defend any game or mod like this, you're only making people believe the fandom is toxic by doing so.


I guess you haven't read his comment thoroughly enough, it was clearly aimed at "some" people who come to this thread on a regular basis just to mindlessly troll and spread negativity, like the guy from the previous page, who explicitly stated that he would be glad if HotA died, is that a constructive criticism for you? lol

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StrangeFin
StrangeFin

Tavern Dweller
posted July 11, 2022 10:56 AM

FdgK said:
Opera said:
I too dont like the music Paul created for Factory


Sorry, but where did you all find the finished piece? I looked for it but all I could find was the WIP video from 2020. Could somebody post a link or tell me where to find it? Thank you very much in advance.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z8hiR3E4WA

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Doomforge
Doomforge


Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted July 11, 2022 11:35 AM

Well, not gonna lie, it doesn't sound like a town theme at all, it lacks a clear leading melody. I think the decision to not use it is a correct one. It would have to be heavily improved to act as a town theme.
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The_Green_Drag
The_Green_Drag


Supreme Hero
posted July 11, 2022 10:15 PM

Personally, I wouldn't have cared either way if they kept it for the town theme. I definitely do not have the ears for music to tell what would fit in with the other town themes without being super bias. I didn't think much of Cove's theme when I first started playing but I really like it now after playing the mod so much. I suspect the same would happen for most even if it were to stay.

My two cents on the song, I like it for the most part. I think if you skip to 25 seconds in and start it there, it works a lot better. That sound in the beginning is a bit strange for my taste.

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Dairy
Dairy


Known Hero
posted July 11, 2022 10:44 PM

Popcioslav said:
Dairy said:

Watching this thread for years and some people need to pull their heads outta their lower hole, since being happy about constructed like about dead project is simply their own ugliness and incompetence. Shame on you, with your half baked ideas which you demand from team of people who are creating one of, if not the best mods for HoMM3, period. They keep this game alive even without your silly posts.

This is probably sarcasm or bait too, but I'll bite.
The moment when I see posts like this, is the moment when I've stopped being positive at all about the project, which is probably the opposite of what you wanted to achieve Dairy, with all of your shilling prowess.

"Sure, let's just ignore all of the people saying criticism, no matter if constructive, they're trolls and they don't realize their posts are silly and not helpful at all!!!" Although yes, a lot of suggestions on this thread were either biased or daydreaming, that doesn't matter all of them need to be shamed.

But sure, go on, just blindly defend them, even though they've had great relationships with fans before and actually posted images/proof of things. The town will come out eventually, even though the changes in management and delays make me think otherwise. There's really no need to shill or blindly defend any game or mod like this, you're only making people believe the fandom is toxic by doing so.


Although I dont want to bring this thread into useless off topic, flame wars or give false hope for people who actually wait for some official news regarding the project, I got to clear out, that you either understood my reply wrongly, or simply took it personally.

What I meant was, that even though, this is the most polished, high quality mod (expansion size even), nobody is obligated to either wait, or put up the creators thru their own forced personal opinions.

As far as I am concerned, they listened to the fans a lot of times, they changed even some vital stuff after backlash, but the problem I see is that its their creation, they can do whatever they want to do with, I dont mind constructive criticism, but thats where these people I am describing are blatantly wrong. As I watch this forums for years, I got older and watching the same old trolly members, who just repeat themselves again and again like a broken record is tirying and silly to put it mildly.

"Why they dont make the mod open source ?"
"Why isnt it finished yet ?"
"When will it come out, it is already half a year without a response !
"Give up, its probably dead anyway...
"Who cares, there is X mod and there is Y mod coming out anyway, Hota cant compete with those, they are going to be much better."
"Hota doesnt even listen ! I already posted 100 of stupid, single player oriented, tasteless ideas, why they didnt implement at least one ?"
"Isnt it easy to fix this/that, I already suggested what they should do to make the game better !"
...etc.

I bet they read it, or at least they did, before it went south again with all those offtopic posts (just like this one) and fighting over scrap by second rank bitter modders who edited some files so they were able to change some statistics, claiming they fixed the whole game.

And even tho I sound like old bitter bone, I am not defending them as you descriped, they actually are much better at ignoring thrash posts like the one I am talking about. I am just pointing out the fact that they are keeping alive HoMM3 wether some of you like it or not and thats respectable in the least.

Just be happy we've got something that keeps these forums alive and well without being hostile towards the creators. Peace out.

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Popcioslav
Popcioslav


Hired Hero
The best H4 unit
posted July 12, 2022 11:22 AM
Edited by Popcioslav at 11:31, 12 Jul 2022.

revolut1oN said:

I guess you haven't read his comment thoroughly enough, it was clearly aimed at "some" people who come to this thread on a regular basis just to mindlessly troll and spread negativity, like the guy from the previous page, who explicitly stated that he would be glad if HotA died, is that a constructive criticism for you? lol

I think it's you who should learn to read more thouroughly, bro.

I've specifically mentioned that yes, there are people who are either trolling or making needless suggestions, but that doesn't mean everyone who does in fact make positive or even critical, but still helpful feedback needs to be lumped together with them or be shamed.

Also to add on to Dairy's last post with "Just be happy we're getting anything", I also disagree with that. For starters, you're pretty much setting up yourself for another easy bait - "Just be happy we're getting another delay" for example. I've followed other free mods/fangames and projects before and again, your original comment is not exactly what I consider a sound and positive argument from my experience, even though I get what you mean, it's usually what desperate fans are saying when they receive too many promises, but there otherwise is a massive content/news drought. I've just seen it too many times in the past and it makes me sceptical here as well. I also have a feeling this and couple other forums are glorifying Hota a little bit too much. I mean I did as well in the past. Again, not to derail, but you can be a healthy fandom, but also have a couple of trolls or people who just post stuff to trigger people. If what the other guy with H4 avatar posted triggers you guys so much that you feel you need to make a speech condemning them instead of moving on and focusing on what's important, then you're clearly no better than me and or them, at least when it comes to derailing.

I know I just said too many people are glorifying HoTA as of late, but I do agree, the opposite is also a thing, especially when it comes to fans or devs of other Heroes mods. The reason being sort of a result of the glorifying, I'm used to seeing people asking if certain new mod works with HoTA or will it be a part of HoTA or it's often compared to HoTA. Just a food for thought

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Ghost
Ghost


Legendary Hero
Therefore I am
posted July 12, 2022 11:57 AM

Dairy said:

"Why they dont make the mod open source ?"
"Why isnt it finished yet ?"
"Hota doesnt even listen ! I already posted 100 of stupid, single player oriented, tasteless ideas, why they didnt implement at least one ?"
"Isnt it easy to fix this/that, I already suggested what they should do to make the game better !"
...etc.


1. Why you should to compete their with, wait! The next matter:
2. If you get a source, you finish "alternative HotA" and you get your noob players, so their own..and matter
3. Their MOD, so the next example:
4. Does noob know? When Sea Dogs are OP or Eagle Eye must be removed. Their opinions, what is the suitable, so only one opinion.. Because they don't join to WoG/ERA team.. When you can enabled or disabled options.. Thus one game and rule..

I think you tried so well.. But I'm agree with you.. and you don't need 4, if you've source..
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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
posted July 12, 2022 03:32 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 18:20, 12 Jul 2022.

From "don_ko" (or as some of the community knows him, "lazy", as translated by MTL)(https://forum.df2.ru/index.php?showtopic=37363&st=3720):

Quote:
This post is to clarify some misconceptions regarding our collaboration with Paul Romero. I've seen a lot of false assumptions on this topic at Heroescommunity and Acidcave forums. Sharing is advised.

I'll present the facts as I know it (I'm not the person who communicated with Paul directly) so anyone can make their own judgement.

After Docent's tragic loss we've decided to ask Mr. Romero to help us with the music track. It is well known that Paul often helps with music for different modifications of the game.
We wanted to give some hope to the community and Paul hadn't disappointed us accepting the challenge. Before the announcement we've wrote a letter to Paul describing the task. We knew that Mr. Romero
doesn't play video games so we've described only the story and art direction:

- A brief description on what kind of people inhabit the town, their aspirations and hardships
- A short summary of the story
- Most up-to-that-date version of the town screen - improved screen from the Demo (hasn't been shown anywhere else).
- A collage of all troops in one image
- Several artworks (like the one you've seen where Factory troops are ready to fight demons)

and finally all important pieces of music Docent has composed:
- all 3 music tracks from the trailers with timestamps
- Docent's live performance of the factory's main theme during the public interview

Initially we had some fear that Paul will pick the wrong part of the melody to work with despite our directions but his performance in the new year's announcement video made our worries vanish away. The melody and energy were spot-on.
We expected that the final result may not match H3 ost's style 100% accurate and would sound more like H6-H7 music as it's hard for a composer to revert to 20 years old style after all changes and evolution. If Paul had decided to meticulously follow H3 sound we could only welcome that extra attention. Including vocals in the music wasn't an issue to: selected H3 tracks are featuring vocal so it's not a forbidden sound.

No further instructions felt needed. Paul is known to leave comments on youtube under uploads of his music. Besides, he composed town themes for 7 games in a row so there were no way Paul doesn't know how a town theme should sound like by now. For the next year we didn't communicate with Paul much. He had the creative freedom and for us it felt wrong to demand work-in-progress results from such high-level composer. On the other hand, Mr. Romero hasn't sent any wips to us either, but it didn't felt like an issue since the new year announcement video was good.

We've received the final track and it didn't sound like intended music or what Paul has played in that video (the main theme is still in but sounds very melancholic).
We've asked if the revision of the track is possible, but Paul, being loaded with his actual job projects, couldn't spend more time on this. Together we've decided that the final result fits as a Main Campaign theme much better. The story in campaign follows a rather tragic events so less "energetic" rendition of the factory theme fits really nicely.

Main Campaign theme is the music that player hears on the screen before starting the mission: (random picture from the web)

and not during the cutscenes.
There are a number of things to do in the menu and player will visit the menu 8 times before the campaign is completed - more than enough to listen to Paul's music in it's fullness.
Besides it's always an option to manually rename files in "MP3" folder of the game and have Paul's version in the town.

Sometimes things just don't go according to plan and we have to change the plan.
"Everything that happens leads to a better end" as a proverb says.


Note from myself: I'm still surprised that you guys didn't figure it out that this is how it all went, it was the most logical conclusion based on public info and Romero's tight schedule.
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revolut1oN
revolut1oN


Famous Hero
posted July 12, 2022 03:58 PM
Edited by revolut1oN at 16:04, 12 Jul 2022.

Popcioslav said:


I think it's you who should learn to read more thouroughly, bro.



Mate, you aimed your post explicitly at the person who referred directly to a guy who stated that he is glad the project is dead. Stop this Straw-Man fallacy, there was no negativity towards constructive criticism in the post you've quoted.

Also please stop being so aggressive in your tone, this does not help the discussion at all.

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pellish
pellish


Famous Hero
posted July 12, 2022 05:40 PM
Edited by pellish at 17:46, 12 Jul 2022.

FirePaladin said:

Note from myself: I'm still surprised that you guys didn't figure it out that this is how it all went, it was the most logical conclusion based on public info and Romero's tight schedule.


I don't know if it's something that gets lost in translation when using Google Translate, but it seems as if people assume the HotA crew were outright disrespectful or rude to Paul Romero regarding their rejection.

This sounds like it was a mutual decision which was reached amicably. I also agree with the decision - it doesn't really ring like a town theme. Great musical piece notwithstanding.

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
posted July 12, 2022 06:12 PM

Actually, the post I quoted was written in English by its own poster from HotA Crew.
And yes, I have to say that this seems like the most reasonable outcome given the context (Paul being busy etc.).
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evilcherry
evilcherry

Tavern Dweller
posted July 12, 2022 08:34 PM

ruZkie said:
I am 100% convinced that this is the reason for HotA's end of cooperation with him. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply naive.

I'm gonna blow your mind here: The HotA crew is not part of the russian government and does not want to be engaged in war with any country.
Romero still is discussing with them. His track just lacks a little bit of punch at the end, that's it.

FirePaladin said:
From "don_ko" [...]

Thanks for this.



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FdgK
FdgK


Adventuring Hero
posted July 14, 2022 09:24 PM

StrangeFin said:
FdgK said:
Opera said:
I too dont like the music Paul created for Factory


Sorry, but where did you all find the finished piece? I looked for it but all I could find was the WIP video from 2020. Could somebody post a link or tell me where to find it? Thank you very much in advance.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z8hiR3E4WA



Thank you for sending the link. Yes, I agree with all of you that say that it does not have the typical town screen theme vibe to it.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted July 15, 2022 12:53 AM

Well, I'll put the mp3. I think the theme is awesome.
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FdgK
FdgK


Adventuring Hero
posted July 17, 2022 12:05 AM
Edited by FdgK at 00:07, 17 Jul 2022.

I've just done an ‘experiment’ listening to the track while looking at a full screen picture of the town screen and I have to say that contrary to my first impression it fits the mood way better than I thought initially. I think I would not have minded the piece to be the town screen theme after all but I am positive that the alternative will be equally fitting or even better.

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