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JeremiahEmo
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posted June 05, 2014 04:51 PM

A Request to the Heroes 7 Developers

Hi guys, I have one suggestion and this is all I'm asking from you guys. Please, DROP THE FEMINIST POLITICAL CORRECTNESS that Heroes 6 started.

While the average Heroes fan does not care about the number of genders there are in their games, a good number of us do. You could boost sales by granting these fans what we want.

I'm  not saying female creatures are prohibited, I'm saying they should be significantly reduced. This makes a very believable and realistic gameplay experience.
Heroes 5 was on a good path with only 5 female creatures in it more or less.


Now, I heard that Blackhole Entertainment was dropped as developers and I heard they were responsible for the political correctness and I'm glad that you guys ditched them but just saying equal gender representation is NOT a good path.

Your fans think with our brains, not what's between our legs.

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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 05, 2014 04:57 PM
Edited by OmegaDestroyer at 17:08, 05 Jun 2014.

Uh, what?  What difference did it make that there were more female creatures to recruit?  How does reducing the amount of available female units make the game more "realistic?"  

I also disagree with your statement that many people care about the gender of the creatures in the game.  Honestly, you are the only poster in these forums that I can ever recall making it an issue.   Futhermore, I highly doubt that the inclusion of more or less female units will greatly impact the sales of Heroes 7.

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JeremiahEmo
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posted June 05, 2014 05:38 PM

OmegaDestroyer said:
Uh, what?  What difference did it make that there were more female creatures to recruit?  How does reducing the amount of available female units make the game more "realistic?"  

I also disagree with your statement that many people care about the gender of the creatures in the game.  Honestly, you are the only poster in these forums that I can ever recall making it an issue.   Futhermore, I highly doubt that the inclusion of more or less female units will greatly impact the sales of Heroes 7.


Try googling "why are there many women in Heroes of Might and Magic 6" and you'll see that there are more of us.

What makes it more realistic?
The world we live in has very few female soldiers. Again, I'm not saying there are none, I'm saying there are few. I don't find female soldiers intimidating in any way. Plus, male creatures tend to be much cooler than than the average female creatures. It's just how it is. Male is the embodiment of strength.

Will it impact the sales greatly? I don't know. Heroes 6, the first political correct series didn't meet Ubi's sales expectations. You could argue that the reason behind the low sales was because of other reasons but the point is, no one cares if there are equal gender representation. Some people cares if there's none. We just want it to be more realistic.
I mean, as a businessman, would you go with +0 in sales than say +4? 4 is a greater number than 0 right?

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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 05, 2014 05:54 PM
Edited by OmegaDestroyer at 18:03, 05 Jun 2014.

It is a fantasy setting.  It is not trying to be realistic what-so-ever.

I do not know where the idea was formed that Heroes 6 set out to be a "politically correct" entry into the series.  I would be very surprised to learn that during development, that phrase was ever uttered.  

As to game sales, I suspect the game did not meet expectations due to the decisions to make it reliant upon UPlay, requiring an internet connect, drastically overhauling the UI, radically changing the core game play (such as skills, spells, having only 5 races at launch, boring boss fights, lack of creature variety, dumping Dungeon/Academy/Slyvan), mediocre DLC, etc.  I very much doubt the sales were poor because of an alleged politically correct agenda to include a dozen or so female units.

Also, were you the topic creator on GameFAQs?
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posted June 05, 2014 08:43 PM
Edited by Jabanoss at 20:43, 05 Jun 2014.

Welp, someone seems to have a thing for Male Power Fantasy.

Heroes is a fantasy game, whether it's realistic or not is irrelevant. When it comes to human units you could argue that most of them should be male, but when it comes to made up creatures and beings there is absolutely no reason to limit them to a single gender.
That's my two cents.
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JollyJoker
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posted June 05, 2014 09:03 PM

Yeah, I'm all for male Harpies, Succubi and Breeders. Breeder Father sounds cool. And a Brother unit would be cool for Haven as well.
I also hope they stop the Asha nonsense, call the guy Ashath and make him the Spider God, and his Avatar the Father Namtaru.
Let's keep females where they belong: in the train, relax tents, a silver for half an hour.

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JeremiahEmo
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posted June 06, 2014 03:05 AM

JollyJoker said:
Yeah, I'm all for male Harpies, Succubi and Breeders. Breeder Father sounds cool. And a Brother unit would be cool for Haven as well.
I also hope they stop the Asha nonsense, call the guy Ashath and make him the Spider God, and his Avatar the Father Namtaru.
Let's keep females where they belong: in the train, relax tents, a silver for half an hour.


no, the females belong in the kitchen. I hated playing Isabel, Freyda and Ylaya in Heroes 5 because all I let them do is stay in the village kitchen while hiring a male hero to do a man's job.
Just kidding. ^_^ Trying to put a smile on all the seriousness in this forum.

But yeah, in all honesty, I did always only use those female heroes to transport units, only. While I hire two male heroes, one defends the towns and the other one attacks. Except Ylaya though, I was forced to use her because all the male Dungeon heroes were used by the AI right from the getgo. And I was playing the game in hard mode. Good times.

Anyway, no I'm not the guy from GameFaqs, I'm a completely different person and this is my first and only account in Heroes forums.

Secondly, you can't just create anything in Fantasy and expect your gamers to relate to them. Fantasy base its core ideals on the real world. I agree, when it comes to human units, most (I would prefer all) should be males but what did Heroes 6 do? Also, I did not say I want no female creatures in the game. I clearly stated in my original post that I want them reduced, not completely gone.

And OmegaDestroyer, you did not read my post properly, my point was, there are no players who care about political correctness but there are people who wants that there is none. The latter would boost sales at least by a little bit while the former doesn't. I would refuse to buy Heroes 7 if it was "politically correct". See what I mean?

Lastly, of course political correctness was their agenda. How else did they suddenly want an equal representation of genders? It could be an unconscious decision.

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Steyn
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posted June 06, 2014 07:59 AM

JeremiahEmo said:
Secondly, you can't just create anything in Fantasy and expect your gamers to relate to them. Fantasy base its core ideals on the real world. I agree, when it comes to human units, most (I would prefer all) should be males but what did Heroes 6 do? Also, I did not say I want no female creatures in the game. I clearly stated in my original post that I want them reduced, not completely gone.

In the real world the woman often had to help during wartime. They took over the men's work on the farm or worked in factories and war hospitals. Therefore imho the sisters are ferfectly reasonable as a unit.
Secondly, the female units are always either magic units or rangers (or both), nor brawny fighters. That role is reserved for the (physically stronger) male units.

JeremiahEmo said:
And OmegaDestroyer, you did not read my post properly, my point was, there are no players who care about political correctness but there are people who wants that there is none. The latter would boost sales at least by a little bit while the former doesn't. I would refuse to buy Heroes 7 if it was "politically correct". See what I mean?

Lastly, of course political correctness was their agenda. How else did they suddenly want an equal representation of genders? It could be an unconscious decision.

Apparently you indentify yourself with the male heroes (and units) as you don't want to play with the female ones. Perhaps the famale audience would like some female heroes and creatures to identify themselves with? I guess this would boost sales...

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Elvin
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posted June 06, 2014 10:01 AM

JeremiahEmo said:
Secondly, you can't just create anything in Fantasy and expect your gamers to relate to them.

I don't think H6 had anything to do with political correctness, it was just an aesthetic choice. You either like it or you don't, just like many of the features found in the series.

But that sentence above speaks volumes. That is what I believe ubi did wrong even if I do not particularly agree with you. For instance.. most people expect 3-headed cerberi instead of 2-headed, male instead of female centaurs, short dwarves instead of tall, medusae to be medusae instead of nagas, black dragons being black, without yellow effects all over the place.. When you mess with what people expect, you can bet that the reception is going to be controversial at best.

Then there were other inconsistencies like sisters being the core damage dealer of haven, whereas sentinels did crappy damage. Or marksmen having more speed than cavaliers, which was eventually changed. Some things just felt wrong.

As for the concept of female units I don't mind, it's just that H6 female choices felt rather forced. Some units you always expect to be female and you love them for it, others you may be indifferent and others rub you the wrong way. A female priestess is fine, a female pikeman on the other hand makes little sense. But centaurs at least were archers so it didn't really matter. It's just that we have all come to expect them to be male.

I think a better way would be to include more traditionally female units like say valkyries than swap genders for no particular reason. Unless the particular unit class makes sense to be female.
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JeremiahEmo
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posted June 06, 2014 10:35 AM

@Elvin, I agree with you for the most part except females = archers. Have you tried shooting a bow and arrow? The one for war, not the thing you use in archery competitions. It requires extensive physical strength to even reach a significant distance. I don't think a woman could effectively use such a thing. I mean, let's face it, the average, athletic, well-trained man is much physically stronger than a woman in their strongest-tier.

@Steyn
The only time in history I think women took over the support roles was World War 2. Yes, there are a few exceptions but I'm saying generally. If you can prove me wrong, please site some reference.

Yes, I do identify myself with male heroes. Thank you for understanding. I agree with you with the female heroes. I have no problems with them since I can always avoid them. I love Heroes 5 Vanilla because you only have to get through one campaign then the next 5 are males. The creatures in Heroes 6 went too far though.

If they want their political correctness, I think the best possible way is a feature that will allow gamers to choose the gender of their creatures. Believe me, It'd be interesting to see a male harpy or a female pit lord, or a pit lady I should say.

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Stevie
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posted June 06, 2014 10:54 AM

Porting this here:

Stevie said:
He's trying to say that there were female creatures in the game solely because of gender equality motives. I agree. And if I may, I'd like to add story characters/heroes to that. Like literally, the only man in the Necro campaign of H6 is a Wizard... All Necro higher ups are females... Tier 7 creature is female... Plot characters are females... Mother Namtaru... Worship of Asha, female...

Erwan managed to turn what's supposed to be the most terrifying faction into some girly party house with egyptian motives where females have fun and smile. SMILE!!



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Minion
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posted June 06, 2014 11:31 AM

I must say that in addition to my computer not running H6 smoothly it was not the gameplay that was wrong with the game. There were interesting mechanics, and it was strategic for sure. It was the aesthetics that alienated me from the game. And no I don't mean the gender of units, it was somehow the entire unified color palette of the armies... All of Sanctuary was barely more than a teal colored blur, almost like there were no individual units. Contrast to Heroes 5, where you could definitely spot where your Archmages are in your army, or where Rakshashas are. As funny as it sounds you kinda do feel like "god damn they will kick some ass". And furthermore they were all [iunique]. (a few negative examples exist too, like headless Genies.. wtf were they)




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Elvin
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posted June 06, 2014 11:43 AM

Ah yes. And those flying tombstones.. I dislike change for change's sake, if you are gonna bother you should at least make it better..

@Jeremiah
In the D&D character creation, first thing you are told is that women are equal to men in all respects. Women warriors or archers are a classic fantasy trope, not limited to heroes.
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Steyn
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posted June 06, 2014 11:47 AM
Edited by Steyn at 11:48, 06 Jun 2014.

Stevie said:
He's trying to say that there were female creatures in the game solely because of gender equality motives. I agree. And if I may, I'd like to add story characters/heroes to that. Like literally, the only man in the Necro campaign of H6 is a Wizard... All Necro higher ups are females... Tier 7 creature is female... Plot characters are females... Mother Namtaru... Worship of Asha, female...

Erwan managed to turn what's supposed to be the most terrifying faction into some girly party house with egyptian motives where females have fun and smile. SMILE!!

It may be true that the two main characters of the H6 vanilla necro campaign were female (were there more important female characters?), sandro, vein and belketh are definitely male. You can say they made up for the female dominance of the vanilla with the DLC and the expansion.

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Elvin
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posted June 06, 2014 01:49 PM

Female dominance? Just lol. Did you hate the H2 sorceress town too?

And here is a tough one. Are you 100% sure that the H2 archer is male?
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Stevie
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posted June 06, 2014 01:58 PM

Who're you talkin to, Elvis?

Soreiori, don't tell me you actually agree with having female units in places where males are obviously better. You just gave an example with the centaur. So, where do you stand?

And don't tell me you agree with Necro being the way it is now! Way too many female characters! And such a girly plot it makes me puke!

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adriancat
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posted June 06, 2014 04:16 PM

Firstly, we should ask ourselves if there is gonna be another Heroes game ever after the fail of Heroes VI

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Elvin
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posted June 06, 2014 04:20 PM

I think I have made my opinion abundantly clear As for H6 necro.. it was pretty alright. I prefer the more classic gothic version but the Mesopotamian-Egyptian mix works fine and the inclusion of the death spirit Namtar was an interesting choice. The only thing that bugs me is the whole spidery theme, I don't care much for spiders. And the namtaru design was too drider-like. Ghosts were fantastic, easily the best incarnation yet. They reminded me of Deionarra.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 06, 2014 04:34 PM
Edited by OmegaDestroyer at 16:36, 06 Jun 2014.

 Props to the reference, Evlin.  I need to reinstall that game. The pinnacle of CRPGs.

Also how can we be sure that skeletons and ghouls are even male?  Should they not be considered genderless?

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blizzardboy
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posted June 06, 2014 05:28 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 17:41, 06 Jun 2014.

I don't mind female units, but I agree that it was kind of lame how they specifically went out of their way to have at least 2 female units for every single faction. That clearly wasn't an accident. I would be okay with Haven being a masculine sausage fest and then, for example, having a sorceress faction. As it is, the intentionality of having exactly 2-3 estrogen in every single faction made it feel artificial.

More importantly, I don't like how they rode off of other fantasy themes in D&D and/or Warcraft (and a few other franchises). Combining undead with spider females was not novel. Female dark elves was not novel. H2/H3/H4 maintained a distinct novelty to them that eroded somewhat in H5, and moreso in H6.

Besides, there are plenty of sprites that are gender neutral. Dragons, griffons, skeletons, etc. Those giant multi-headed phallic hydras could be a mother for all you know.
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