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fred79
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posted June 17, 2014 06:50 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 07:08, 17 Jun 2014.
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Feminism
i figure the osm would be a better place to discuss feminism, so...
i'll leave off with my last post in a thread that will get deleted soon:
fred79 said:
JeremiahEmo said:
actually, feminists and feminazis are one group. Saying it's separate is like saying Christian radicals are different from Christians. It's just that enough feminazis destroy feminists' image.
It's the feminazis that make anti-male laws, anti-male propagandas in the media, etc and the sane side of feminism do nothing to stop them.
why damn a whole group, when you only have some bad apples? that's like saying because some black/white/polka-dot people suck, all black/white/polka-dot people suck. and that's asinine. 
the sane side of every group does nothing to stop the bad apples, because they can't. laws protect the lazy, the corrupt, the pricks, the stupid, and the weak, so that those same dumbbells can **** things up for everyone. isn't that NEAT? 
why? because i think this could be a good topic. that's why. 
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(wow, after searching through some pages for the word "Feminist", i found that this thread was indeed needed)
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posted June 17, 2014 06:57 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 07:00, 17 Jun 2014.
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so, i'll start off:
what is the difference between feminism, and feminazism, in your own words? and what are examples of their behavior, from each type? IS there a seperation between the two? are they UNITED, even with seperate agendas?
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posted June 17, 2014 08:18 AM |
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Feminazi is an incredibly degrading term used by angry males, mostly white, who can't handle having their position of power, their privileges, questioned.
Go on a MRA (men's rights activism) forum and you'll see the word used extensively, along with the greatest pile of sexist douchebags you'll likely ever see so concentrated on just hating women.
It's not a word I recommend using. Women under the name of feminism have fought for such a long time and have made such extraordinary achievements against the odds. Still a long way to go.
Anyway, the word is an insult, rooted in the minds of sexists rather than reality.
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posted June 17, 2014 08:44 AM |
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feminism itself is a great concept. and before it was downright degraded it achieved a lot of good things.
yet like everywhere, there are masses of idiots who ruin it for all. like those dumb broads who think that even sex between a married couple can be considered as "rape". amongst other things.
then there's Femen. an organisation of retarded broads who flash their boobs in public and do some really retarded crap which has no connection to feminism whatsoever.
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posted June 17, 2014 08:54 AM |
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If you're a woman and want to avoid being raped, not getting married is actually the surest way to go. I've read a few reports on it. The one who hurt you is in most cases the person closest to you.
That is why many feminists claim that, because of the patriarchy, every man is a potential rapist. But I'm a nice guy, you think, and then you realize that in most cases the rapist was indeed a "nice guy".. well at first glance anyway.
You probably married a nice guy, after all 
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posted June 17, 2014 09:14 AM |
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nah, all the nice guys are stuck in the dreaded "friendzone". girls only like jerks. you know the usual stuff.
this whole "rape culture" is getting out of hand, even a wrong look at a woman can be a pretext to label you as a potential rapist.
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posted June 17, 2014 09:19 AM |
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Oh yeah? I want equality then! I cannot walk the streets without feeling the gaze of all the women who want to rape me!
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posted June 17, 2014 09:25 AM |
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Elvin said:
Oh yeah? I want equality then! I cannot walk the streets without feeling the gaze of all the women who want to rape me!
I know that feel bro.
equal rights and all is good, but it's been degraded to a retarded level.
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posted June 17, 2014 09:30 AM |
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10% conviction rates for rape charges in Britain. While we're on the topic. >.> (it was 5% on the criminal law source that I studied, but I guess 10% is the more up to date figure)
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posted June 17, 2014 09:36 AM |
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Edited by Adrius at 09:45, 17 Jun 2014.
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Many times that's all the pretext she might get.
Good of people to be weary, I say. If that offends a few guys a bit then boohoo I guess. If you know how common rape and violence against women is then it just makes sense. According to research by the World Bank, violence against women, committed by men, is currently deadlier than cancer and malaria combined. It's an epedemic.
I have women that I care about in my life, if the road to secure their rights includes me getting questioned a bit then so be it. We can take it, we MUST take it if anything's gonna change.
@Elvin: Must be hard for you. Have to consider what you're wearing all the time... is this too much, too little? Do you look like... you want it? Will the court think you were begging for it? Must not get too drunk either.. is this road safe?
It's complex.
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posted June 17, 2014 09:56 AM |
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I personally dislike feminists. Why? Because they are fanatics and peck on us men before dealing with Islam, probably the most anti-women club in the world. Until Islam is gone, femenists got no legitimacy to complain about anything else. 
But hey, we all know how things work in Sweden aka new Sovjet. 
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posted June 17, 2014 10:03 AM |
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Too much troll.
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posted June 17, 2014 10:06 AM |
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Everything within the realm of possibility has legitimacy in itself. Even beating your wife or being a feminist activist. In essence they're all equal, states of existence, there's no intrinsic difference. The acceptance of one above another is decided by society, and that can change in time with the shifting of the consensus. For example when domestic violence was not regarded as an issue some 300 years ago, but now it is.
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posted June 17, 2014 10:16 AM |
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Adrius said:
Too much troll.
I'm afraid that I did not troll there.
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posted June 17, 2014 10:23 AM |
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Stevie said:
Everything within the realm of possibility has legitimacy in itself. Even beating your wife or being a feminist activist. In essence they're all equal, states of existence, there's no intrinsic difference. The acceptance of one above another is decided by society, and that can change in time with the shifting of the consensus. For example when domestic violence was not regarded as an issue some 300 years ago, but now it is.
Problem is that "the realm of possiblity" only implies what you CAN BE and not what you shall DO. But when I speak of legitimacy in my first post in this thread, I imply that I will not hear them out until they actually deal with their primarey obstacle first.
You are correct that the society decides what is accepted and what is not. It has always been like that and each country have different views on how things shall be ruled/supported/punished etc. Which is why it is pure madness to mix people up, but that's another story.
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posted June 17, 2014 10:29 AM |
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Ebonheart said:
I personally dislike feminists. Why? Because they are fanatics and peck on us men before dealing with Islam, probably the most anti-women club in the world. Until Islam is gone, femenists got no legitimacy to complain about anything else.
Our lovely ladies, and manly gents, I present to you the shining jewel of ignorance at it's finest!
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posted June 17, 2014 10:35 AM |
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Ebonheart said:
Problem is that "the realm of possiblity" only implies what you CAN BE and not what you shall DO.
There is no deciding factor in the question of what you should do, when the things you can do are existentially equal.
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posted June 17, 2014 10:39 AM |
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Edited by Adrius at 10:43, 17 Jun 2014.
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The violence against women committed by certain alleged followers of Islam has the same origin as the violence against women in the west. The patriarchy. There is hardly any place excempt from this violence, and the only common factor is.. drum drum... men.
I dunno what you've been reading really but feminists are generally NOT ok with any violence.. and the patriarchy is very strong in the east, generally. The problems there are discussed by feminists, just not in the way that rascists like it to be discussed. Too complex for them I guess, analyses of power and historical factors and what not, easier to just "hurr durr Islam is bad stop questioning my manhood go after the real rapists durr".
It's also very intruiging that opponents of feminism think feminists are some extremely strict organisation that directs its resources towards one area at a time. Feminism is broad, it has to be broad because not all womens' struggles look the same, that is why movements like Black Feminism arose.
All the struggles are important, the tiny and the bigger ones.
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posted June 17, 2014 11:18 AM |
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Our lovely ladies, and manly gents, I present to you the shining jewel of ignorance at it's finest!
So good to hear that you agree mate!
"I dunno what you've been reading really but feminists are generally NOT ok with any violence.. and the patriarchy is very strong in the east, generally. The problems there are discussed by feminists, just not in the way that rascists like it to be discussed."
I have never said or claimed that women are "ok" with violence. The patriarchy is indeed strong in the east but our femenists aren't there in the east yelling and yapping now are they?
I find it amusing that you play down the racist card when this issue has no ties to real racism at all. I suggest you read up on what "racism" actually means. What we discuss here might be more related to "anti-culturalism".
"It's also very intruiging that opponents of feminism think feminists are some extremely strict organisation that directs its resources towards one area at a time. Feminism is broad, it has to be broad because not all womens' struggles look the same, that is why movements like Black Feminism arose."
I certainly hope you don't find me to be a opponent of femenism for that would be a misinterpretation. I only stated that I am unwilling to listen to complaints and hateful spite made by feminists due to the reason I stated. Feminism IS broad and YES it HAS to be broad in order to make a difference. But here is the catch.
In the west we have passed the stage of violence. Certain cases occur but the majority of the people don't beat up their wife. So is it then wise to go and nag in the west when the actual REAL anti feminism is still rooted in the east? I for one don' think so, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
"All the struggles are important, the tiny and the bigger ones."
Head for the source of the problem, not the branches that grow out as soon as you cut them.
As for the next problem, my hungry belly, I am off to solve it by some good lunch. Take care folks.
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posted June 17, 2014 11:28 AM |
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Edited by Adrius at 11:40, 17 Jun 2014.
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Rascism is used to describe discrimination based on ethnicity/culture as well.
And you're plain wrong about the west having passed any stage of violence. Yesterday a case in oh so equal Sweden with a raped girl was deemed in the man's favour. The court said that despite her clearly having repeatedly said no several times during the act, the man did not interpret her no as no, and thus his intent was not to rape.. which somehow makes it ok. Rape culture is at large in the west as well, and violence against women in general is wide-spread, regardless of location.
So the root of violence against women in the west is Islam? I don't even. Explain if you can.
Edit: oh you're a Swede? If it's not too rude a question, may I ask which party you vote for? Guessing not the Feminist Initiative heh. Just curious.
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