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meroe
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posted June 18, 2014 08:41 PM |
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Neraus said:
Hayven said:
If a woman is strong enough to be a builder why can't she do such a job? On the other hand - if a men is a good hairdresser why couldn't he do such a job?
Quite ironically you have correctly guessed my cousin's job 
But to the point at hand, I'm a strange case, as I said before I'm for a feminism that just removes a boundary and not imposes the woman on society, but I'm also a white knight IRL so, I get called cute, gallant and a misoginist.
That summed up my previous post, since I see you are talking about payment in jobs there is something missing, the economy forces us to have maximum profits with no expenses. A woman, when she hasn't yet had children or has the intention of having more is a burden for the job giver when he could afford having a man that won't have to miss the job for 9 months and more because of children.
Before you say that's sexist remember that not every one employer is rich, some have a low income and must scrap the floor.
The first thing they can do to prevent bankruptcy is cut on the personnel and they will of course cut on those that are the most inefficient.
But that's why there are laws to prevent a woman's dismissal while she's pregnant, but that doesn't mean he/she will fire her if necessary.
Summing it up, with my limited knowledge of market laws, I want to say this, not everytime the employer that fires a woman is sexist but can actually have economic problems. (In fact I don't condone firing a woman because she's a woman and not because she may be inefficient in a big company)
OhforfSake said:
O.K. But while women may not want it, I totally don't mind if anyone wants to serve me pancakes in my bed.. just throwing it out here ^^
You sir, deserve praise for this.
Neraus, any woman who refers to you as a misogynist because you have opened a door for her or pulled out a seat, deserves a smack in the chops. They are stupid, ignorant women.
However, regarding your 'maternity' conundrum. Its a shame we do not value parenthood and working parents in society. Maternity and paternity leave should be available from all companies that can afford it. And it can be done. Mostly the maternity pay is only half pay for the majority of the absence. And paternity leave only usually lasts a month at most (if lucky). Most companies have very strict rules regarding how long you have to be employed before you are entitled to take maternity leave (if you become pregnant) or you pretty much just have to leave. This is completely fair too. Also it would make sense to ensure that the mother comes back to work after her maternity leave, for at least a duration of time to ensure she can pay back some of the costs for her maternity leave, before she resigned (either for another job or full time parenting).
There are many ways to plan around maternity leave. Smaller companies with much smaller workforces may simply not be able to accommodate. Either the new mother takes a period of unpaid leave or just has to go. She has the choice not to work for a company like this, if she had plans in the future to start a family.
I have personally worked in offices where I have covered maternity leave. As a temp it was often a great way to get work.
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posted June 19, 2014 10:46 AM |
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and those stupid ignorand broads later cry out that chivalry is dead. female logic at it's finest.
feminazis are the broads that killed off chivalry. don't even try to do anything for them, because you'll be branded as a rapist.
I believe it's fairly equal to shout out sexist remarks in the faces of those dumb broads, because that's what they do 24/7.
you get what you asked for.
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"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
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Neraus
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posted June 19, 2014 11:04 AM |
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Yep, that's why I broaden my friendships, if a woman acts like that I stop to see her entirely, considering that she will continue to stomp on me during the evening, most of the time they don't call me back so...
It happened one time tho, that a girl acted like that, and called me the day after to apologize for being so uneducated.
That's why we were better during the middle-ages.
But anyway, I think that's the offspring of our generation, with no respect or loyalties, just pure unadulterated freedumb and narcisism.
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kipshasz
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posted June 19, 2014 11:48 AM |
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Neraus said:
But anyway, I think that's the offspring of our generation, with no respect or loyalties, just pure unadulterated freedumb and narcisism.
I don't agree with this sentence. In my opinion it's all in the parenting.
I've seen likes of your description, and I saw youngsters who actually behave in public, which is very rare these days.
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posted June 19, 2014 12:51 PM |
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Well of course, not everyone is like that, I just meant that there are more like this than before, and what you say is true, I've heard of parents defending a kid that destroyed his classroom, and they even went as far as suing the teachers and the school for suspending him.
But in the end it always comes to parenting, and that reminds me, why did these parents become bad teachers and when did it happen? It's a vicious cycle that we entered, and I don't really know how to answer this, I can only blame hippies.
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posted June 19, 2014 01:04 PM |
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what's wrong today is that the dumb retards who sit in the goverment interfere with parenting. all these "experts" hove dowon crap about "rights" to the kids, forgetting to add that some duties also exist.
and if parents do a tiny thing, even to ask the brat to do a simple chore, such as taking out the trash, he'll throw a fit and cry in school or wherever about him being abused by his parents. then the parents will be dragged through court "parenting" classes and eventually the brat will be taken away by teh authoritahs.
but this is a topic for another thread.
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artu
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posted June 19, 2014 01:05 PM |
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I don't remember the specifics but do you guys know that they found some Sumerian tablet and when they decoded the carvings what it said was basically "youngsters these days!"
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posted June 19, 2014 02:58 PM |
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meroe
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posted June 19, 2014 04:00 PM |
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Oh Artu that is Gold! 
But back to stupid feminazi's. I do believe its a generational thing. After all I don't see many women my mother or grandmother's age, running about topless claiming that men don't have any rights to their bodies etc etc.
But I've seen many friends act like amoeba's after watching Keeping up the Kardashians or whatever. I've seen a friend, cry like a baby in a bathroom corner refusing to go out with us because she couldn't get her hair right!!!! The same friend who had once told us she wanted to spend her summer volunteering to build a school in Africa. And no she couldn't grasp the sarcasm then either.
What I am saying is that there are many bad apples on both sides. Its just that its pointless trying to argue with idiots. If a girl/woman accuses you for being a sexist, when you have just reminded her that sitting on her ass all day watching tv isn't the same as you working your ass off - she is obviously thick and not worth talking to.
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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GunFred
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posted June 20, 2014 09:10 PM |
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Adrius said:
If it's not too rude a question, may I ask which party you vote for? Guessing not the Feminist Initiative heh. Just curious.
Personally I voted for Feministic Initiative. Europe deserves a dose of... JUSTICE 
It is hilarious with grown men being like: "Oh no, the hunswomen are coming to take away our rights and property. We have to stop them now because if we become equal they will overthrow and opress us! 
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posted June 20, 2014 09:37 PM |
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artu said:
I don't remember the specifics but do you guys know that they found some Sumerian tablet and when they decoded the carvings what it said was basically "youngsters these days!"
I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt it.
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artu
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posted June 20, 2014 10:16 PM |
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That's good to know, since whatever your trolling little mind seems to doubt always turn out true.
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Stevie
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posted June 20, 2014 11:16 PM |
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You seem to be misunderstanding. I do not doubt that they found tablets with records of scribe schools or whatever. I doubted the specific phrase "youngsters these days", because it bears the writers feelings and that is highly unlikely for ancient writing to say the least.
Unsurprisingly, I was right. There is no such phrase in the text you linked. It's just a record and nothing more. The writer's intention is not to move the reader or to express sentiments, but to relate events.
artu said:
trolling little mind
What's up with this remark?
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artu
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posted June 20, 2014 11:42 PM |
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Stevie, "what it basically said was 'youngster these days' " does not suggest it literally says that word by word, it very clearly suggests that old complaining about the youth has been basically the same for ages. If you're not trolling and genuinely incapable of comprehending even that, there is no way for me to explain what that situation means without breaking the CoC. I do think you're trolling however, because that's what you always do and you're quite transparent about it even when you deny it.
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OhforfSake
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posted June 20, 2014 11:45 PM |
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How would the destruction of the CoC help you explain stuff?
I think you miss Stevie's point to be honest.. but I might have misread you.
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artu
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posted June 20, 2014 11:47 PM |
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What are you Forfy, the Robin Hood for trolls. Enough of this BS already.
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Stevie
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posted June 20, 2014 11:49 PM |
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artu said:
it very clearly suggests that old complaining about the youth has been basically the same for ages.
This does not follow from the text you linked, which is what this is all about. There's not even a hint of complaining about anything in the entire text, let alone elderly complaining about youth.
If you think there is, copy paste the fragment and put it here and prove me wrong. You'd love that wouldn't ya.
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posted June 20, 2014 11:58 PM |
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You know, that's the third post in a row you've called him a troll.. I'm sorry I'll start to talk about you now, because I probably shouldn't, but I don't get you sometimes. You're usually very clever, but so easily you start to insult people. I recall you say you don't find it an insult.. or some sort, but calling someone a troll is saying something negatively about their intentions and I believe that falls in under the category of being offensive at least.
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artu
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posted June 21, 2014 12:10 AM |
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@Forfy. Stevie didn't start posting today, he has a long history of trolling and I'm not the only one who complains about that, people even suggested to ban him for it. So when he suggests that I suggest something on a 4000 yo tablet literally writes "youngsters these days!" I take it as trolling, because that's like suggesting it was written "sup, my man" on the tablets.
I don't know if you're one of those people who wants to be liked by everyone but I am not and I react to that trolling because it distorts the threads in general.
@Stevie
From the link:
"The young scribe-in-training described here is repeatedly caned by his teachers for failing to memorize his lessons and for disciplinary problems."
The content of the tablets are in there, too. The kid is constantly getting caned for laziness and bad behavior.
I read a book, on the studies on these tablets (not just these tablets), and it is seen and analyzed as the first written material involving people complaining about the youth. Of course, if you're not familiar with archeology, you might expect them to sound like today's complaints or a generational manifesto, but that's not much different than expecting Renaissance poetry to sound like Rap music.
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Stevie
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posted June 21, 2014 12:14 AM |
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First off, you quoted an interpretation, not the text itself.
Secondly, the canning is part of the process of teaching. It's not an emotional response, it's his method of training new scribes.
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