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posted June 17, 2014 11:38 AM |
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I agree that feminism in itself may be a good movement, as long as we are talking about putting women on an equal juridic level and have the same rights as men, I am actually one of those that is opposed to the feminism that wants to force determined women on power just because they are women, but of course, at that point it's always about politics.
With the above phrase I mean passing laws that force companies or states to have a 50 % or more composition of women in parliament or on the board of directors, I'm all for women in power, as long as they are qualified, if they are on that place I'd rather have a more competent man than a woman that doesn't know her job, but that also works in reverse, I'd rather have a woman more competent than an idiotic man.
That said, I want to answer Freddy's question, feminazis do exist, they are called femen, and in all the things I've seen they truly make you want to slap them for their actions, and by my surprise I've read they're funded by a man...
Though, I believe that the middle-east patriarchy is different than the western one, there are been cases of women in power, women that had a say to the family's business and they could actually refuse a marriage unlike the middle-east, that had child-wives, multiple wives, concubines, lapidation for adultery and the exclusion of women from testimony.
But these are touchy subjects, and I didn't re-check my sources (and I hope I won't have to translate the Italian ones), so I'm not going any further as I'm going to look like an idiot...
The problem with violence against women tho, I don't really understand...
They say it's because of the man wanting be in charge, because he couldn't face a refusal or because he had another lover, but all of this seems to be happening now, as in, they are becoming more frequent now, like it's a fashion statement to say: "'sup, I killed my family", and that's also happening with older couples (and by old I mean 80 years old), what the heck man, if you had to kill her why didn't you kill her sooner, like 50 years before?
I mean, what has feminism done if all these murders are becoming more frequent? Was it all just a farce?
But this last part is a disturbing thought that came onto my mind after seeing to many news, I may be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong since it's horrible.
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posted June 17, 2014 12:36 PM |
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Your approach on the subject leaves very much to be desired, Ad. Please improve your discourse.
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posted June 17, 2014 12:53 PM |
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Feminism = fights for the right of equality between men and women. Throughout history and in many cultures, it's been the social norm that men were superior to women. It is not always the case, but I think the burden of caring a child and being physically weaker (in average) has had a lot to do with it.
Feminazi just means a guy/girl who hates men, but hides under the covers of feminism. It's not always clear cut what kind of person you're dealing with and it's a shame, because feminism is still to this day a valid topic.
I find it very unfortunate when genuine organisations tries to fight for equality through suppression, because then it becomes impossible to distinct feminism from feminazism. Suppression is never the answer.
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Good of people to be weary
That's not being weary.
Wait.. did someone brainwash Ad?  I'm pretty sure that when he yelled at me for being a racist he didn't talk about no patriarchy?
ARE YOU THE CREATOR OF SINFEST!??!
Speaking about sinfest, the comic has improved since the author decided to drop humor for a case he doesn't understand.
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posted June 17, 2014 01:02 PM |
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Adrius said:
Rascism is used to describe discrimination based on ethnicity/culture as well.
And you're plain wrong about the west having passed any stage of violence. Yesterday a case in oh so equal Sweden with a raped girl was deemed in the man's favour. The court said that despite her clearly having repeatedly said no several times during the act, the man did not interpret her no as no, and thus his intent was not to rape.. which somehow makes it ok. Rape culture is at large in the west as well, and violence against women in general is wide-spread, regardless of location.
So the root of violence against women in the west is Islam? I don't even. Explain if you can.
Edit: oh you're a Swede? If it's not too rude a question, may I ask which party you vote for? Guessing not the Feminist Initiative heh. Just curious.
Back from the lunch!
Now as for racism, you primarely use that word to describe the ill will against a person because of his race. Like a white man denying a black man a right that the white man has for granted. If you want to hack and slash on culture, use another word mate.
"And you're plain wrong about the west having passed any stage of violence."
Did you even bother to read what I wrote? I said that certain cases occur but the majority of the people don't beat up their wife(s). But I never said that this regarded ALL violence but rather for the feminists hot topic. Let alone that you can't go around comparing violence against women with violence in common. Yes we people in the west do fight and we do use violence, that shall never be denied.
"Yesterday a case in oh so equal Sweden with a raped girl was deemed in the man's favour. The court said that despite her clearly having repeatedly said no several times during the act, the man did not interpret her no as no, and thus his intent was not to rape.. which somehow makes it ok. Rape culture is at large in the west as well, and violence against women in general is wide-spread, regardless of location."
When it comes to Sweden and its laws I agree with you, we are snowed up on that regard. We are hands down pussies when it comes to meet out judgement.
But once again - how is this connected to feminism? This is a legal and punishment matter and as far as the law is concerned everyone shall be equal.
But since we are checking out Sweden, perhaps you sir could tell me what kind of people commits the grand part of all rapes? I assure you it is not the casual Swede.
Now as for the Swedish law that I consider to be a monunental failure.
It needs to change. For example you got a funny way of avoiding years in jail. If you beat someone up you will get X years in prison. But if you kill the person after beating him up and then claim you were psychotic when you committed the act, you might not even get a jail punishment.
BUT! If you were to shoot a wild wolf by misstake or for defensive purposes, you can count with at least 2 years in jail. Fair system huh? So you see our justice system afflicts more areas than just rape.
So the root of violence against women in the west is Islam? I don't even. Explain if you can.
Once again you flume and assume without pondering what I wrote.
When I stated that feminists should focus more on islam than the ethnic population, I honestly mean that people connected to Islam tends to commit more rape and women violence. One can say that Islam is connected to a lot of crimes but not everything.
" oh you're a Swede? If it's not too rude a question, may I ask which party you vote for? Guessing not the Feminist Initiative heh. Just curious. "
Granted with a due sense of exhaustion and dread.
I used to vote for the Moderates. Now I vote for the Swedish Democrats. I changed my loyalty about 6 years ago due to several reasons. With the largest being economy and regrettably because I've seen this "Mutli-culture" fiasko for myself. At first I was of course sceptic but then I realised that no other party would change their ways and sadly not only in the matter of immigration.
As for FI. It recently popped up but our prime sovjet media has placed them in the spotlight due to their own agenda. I see no reason to give them my support either. I believe males and females shall be equal in certain areas no doubt. But FI and its squad of people are very tunnelvisioned and you would honestly be horrified if you had a look of how some of them really are.
For example one mother refused to admit her child was a boy and raised him like a girl and forced the child into female activities. WHAT THE snow IS THERE TO SUPPORT WITH SUCH NUTHEADS IN THERE?
And mark my words Briton, this example is a soft one compared to the other ones I know of.
However with your opinions in mind I have a feeling you're not going to vote for UKIP?
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posted June 17, 2014 01:03 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
It is not always the case, but I think the burden of caring a child and being physically weaker (in average) has had a lot to do with it.
And add to that emotional susceptibility.
Elevation of women to a position they do not naturally own, under the slogan of "equality". That's how it looks so far.
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posted June 17, 2014 01:06 PM |
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"Feminazi just means a guy/girl who hates men, but hides under the covers of feminism."
If I hate you for breaking my ears Ohforfsake, does that make me a
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posted June 17, 2014 01:12 PM |
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Stevie said:
OhforfSake said:
It is not always the case, but I think the burden of caring a child and being physically weaker (in average) has had a lot to do with it.
And add to that emotional susceptibility.
Elevation of women to a position they do not naturally own, under the slogan of "equality". That's how it looks so far.
Which creates problems in return since they are not used to it. It can be done but it must be done slowly and with care. If a society is changed too fast it becomes insecure and it tends to end in turmoil.
When it comes to business women can be very good as leaders. But this is so individual. However one thing that people have noticed when comparing male and female leaders, is that when a situation occurs females tend to make it more "personal" when they get criticised which has a tendancy to make them lose the control and sense needed to fix the situation.
To just name a female or a non ethnical person as boss or invite them to the board of directory is just wrong.
A company is a company and what matters in a company is who is most suited to do the task.
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posted June 17, 2014 01:12 PM |
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Everyone is a scorpinazi
Even lemurs!
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Yesterday a case in oh so equal Sweden with a raped girl was deemed in the man's favour. The court said that despite her clearly having repeatedly said no several times during the act, the man did not interpret her no as no, and thus his intent was not to rape.. which somehow makes it ok.
No way. Care to link to a news bulletin of the case?
@Female's position..
I think it's funny to think that the statistical approach deals with generalization of questions to a degree where it may no longer have any meaning for anyone except for the few who deals with large quantities of people. Because with vague questions, large deviation naturally follows.
Therefore it may be true that many women aren't fit for any given position, but that's nothing new, and it doesn't matter if it's less or more men who aren't fit for it either. The same can be said about races or whatever other group one wants to define. An easy one is to separate those who can swim (let's call them swimmers) from those who can't swim. Swimmers are naturally better at tasks requiring the ability to swim, is it then discrimination that people who can swim get those tasks?
No, equality doesn't mean that we're all identical, it means we all have the same opportunities. It means that if a black dude and a white dude tries to get a job, what differentiates them aren't the color of their skin, but how well they do said job.
If it is true that in average more men are better at position X than women, then it's still equality that more men have that position, because that's simply the rate that exist in the world today. Rates do change, and while I don't think there were many women in physics for many years, the last couple of years at my uni have seen many female students, many smarter than me, getting higher grades than me. I don't think that would happen 50 years ago, because back then the schooling system was different, hence different rates.
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posted June 17, 2014 01:16 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
Everyone is a scorpinazi
Even lemurs!
Oh yes Ohforfsake, they even give the long "tail" to your kind.
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posted June 17, 2014 01:41 PM |
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Wait.. I didn't mean it, I take everything back I said, women are weird and should be in the kitchen making sandwiches!
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posted June 17, 2014 01:48 PM |
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Ebonheart said:
Our lovely ladies, and manly gents, I present to you the shining jewel of ignorance at it's finest!
So good to hear that you agree mate!
clearly you missed the meaning of my post. by a mile. at the very least.
it shows how little you know about islam as a religion and your opinion is formed by the bullcrap of mass media regarding several tiny examples from the daily lives of retard extremists who in no way possbile represent the whole religion. besides, don't arabs make only about 30% of all muslims?
anti women tendencies are prominent is christianity as well. no one's bashing them.
hijab/niqab or whatever just is a sign of piety and modesty, like the nun's outfit. Saint Mary is also depicted wearing a garment very similiar to a hijab or whatever the damn thing's called. also in normal muslim families, the woman herself chooses how much to hide.
It's a social norm here, and before you bash something and wish it removed, first look at your "perfect" society which has many, many flaws.
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posted June 17, 2014 01:49 PM |
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Yeah I'm watching you Forfy. In fact I am watching all you guys.
No, seriously. Interesting subject. Jeesh where to start???? The original question was pretty much answered. Feminism is about equality. And we still have little today. Sure many ideologies are changing thankfully. Western ideologies anyway. However, we still have a massive way to go. Women are still being paid less for doing the same job. And for some insane reason we do not celebrate those women who stay at home and raise children - that is a hard job. Yet if a man does it whoa!!!! What a great man, sacrificing his career opportunities and what a great dad for educating his children. Women have done that for centuries. And no one seems to even mention the wife who has gone back to work with the higher paying job.
Misogyny is deeply ingrained. And allowing it and overlooking it is a serious feminine flaw.
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posted June 17, 2014 01:50 PM |
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@Stevie: much constructive, very wow. Back off.
@Ebonheart: figured as much, your argumentation mirrors what I argue against on social media daily. Always the Swedish Democrats. I'm Left Party.
You have an oversimplified view of the term rascism, me thinks. There's biological rascism, cultural rascism.. based in dated primordialist thinking. To generalize about cultures and ethnicities can definitely be rascism.
I know what kind of report your question about what kind of men commit the most rape is based on, and I assure you it's false. I study for a socionom title and we've thoroughly debunked those numbers in class, as I said before the most likely place to be raped is in your own bedroom, by your ethnically Swedish husband.
For a more illustrated perspective: most common names in cases of rape, Sweden.
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posted June 17, 2014 02:01 PM |
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Well speaking of going home with the children, I for one dislike the idea that the schooling system often seems to be more about a place where kids can be that about education.
When it comes to learning, we're all different, so the idea of stuffing 30+ kids in the same classroom and going on with lessons like they weren't even there surely is an ineffective way of handling it.
Yet I can't help but think it's because the school is more there so there's a place the kids can be while the parents are at work than vice versa.
Of course it may not be any better that there's a parent at home and no school, because that implies it's the same for generations, hence no education at all.
But about payment, in my country it's illegal to differentiate payment for the same job based on e.g. gender. Of course that's for companies and may not include if some worker is especially gifted or similar. When it comes to services between companies then one company can of course pay less for the same job than another company.
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posted June 17, 2014 02:02 PM |
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Rape in marriage was only outlawed in England and Scotland in the 80's and early 90's. Yep only that recently. Before that a women had no legal protection from marital rape. Can you imagine that.
Even now, the Bible still states that a women must submit to her husband - but then the Bible wasn't written by God but by primitive men, so Meh. Muslim women MUST make themselves available to their husbands at least every 14 days.
Can you imagine no having dominion over your own body??? Being forced/coerced/raped by the person you live with??
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posted June 17, 2014 02:09 PM |
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meroe said:
Rape in marriage was only outlawed in England and Scotland in the 80's and early 90's. Yep only that recently. Before that a women had no legal protection from marital rape. Can you imagine that.
You want me to? Who's my wife, and what's she wearing? What are her interests, and does she smile a lot? How do we get along? Does she like the food I make? Do I like the food she makes? What does she think about me?
In my country there are 3 justice systems, I don't know the proper translation, but the first court is a kind of a city court where you might sometimes get some really crazy verdicts. In one case, a man has sued his wife, because she doesn't want to have sex with him anymore. At the end, the judge ruled that the wife was obligated to have sex with her husband at least twice pr. week or something along those lines... and people laughed at him, because without realizing it, he'd just made rape the law. The case was overruled before they even left the courthouse.
meroe said:
Even now, the Bible still states that a women must submit to her husband - but then the Bible wasn't written by God but by primitive men
WHAT KIND OF CATHOLIC ARE YOU!?
meroe said:
Can you imagine no having dominion over your own body???
Yes, I hate wet dreams.
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posted June 17, 2014 02:11 PM |
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meroe said:
Even now, the Bible still states that a women must submit to her husband - but then the Bible wasn't written by God but by primitive men, so Meh. Muslim women MUST make themselves available to their husbands at least every 14 days.
I know some guys who'd be very grateful to have sex with their spouse 2 times a month.
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posted June 17, 2014 02:21 PM |
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Adrius said:
@Stevie: much constructive, very wow. Back off.
You're being quite arrogant and aggressive with a person who politely asked you to improve your discourse. Maybe I've been a bit too vague, in which case let me show you:
Adrius said:
oh you're a Swede? If it's not too rude a question, may I ask which party you vote for? Guessing not the Feminist Initiative heh. Just curious.
I sense a lot of judgemental attitude here, based on nationality and political views. And that's quite rich in the context of you preaching about discrimination.
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posted June 17, 2014 02:29 PM |
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When I get annoyed at some of the silly things guys say, you know even when they are joking and trying to be funny, they come out with stupid stuff like "I'm gonna rape you" or "you need a good raping". I know that for some strange and dumb reason these are phrases used at the moment and people aren't supposed to take offense. But like some dumb idiot I laugh, because these people are my friends and I don't want to embarrass them etc etc. Even though I want to punch them in the face for trivializing sexual violence.
And to my shame at times, I have let it go, because rape isn't something men truly understand. I don't mean that insultingly like all guys are dumb. No no. And I don't mean that most guys are not sympathetic, understanding or empathetic enough to understand the horror of rape and the vileness of it. But the actual act of violent penetration isn't comprehended by guys, because its really something that they will never experience. Yes men can be raped, but only effectively by another guy or group of guys. And even then, even with all the physical trauma and injury, they still would never need to worry about being impregnated.
Guys cannot get past being valued as men by being highly virile and potent. And put a lack of education in there, with cultural misogynistic traditions and hey presto, you have child marriage, and girls of 8 being married to men in their 50's. Some girls dying from the physical trauma of being raped; a lot dying in labor before even reaching their teens. Stoning women because a man either doesn't want her anymore and needs to get rid of her, or she has insulted his manhood in some way.
@Kip, those men need to ask themselves honestly why their wives don't want to have sex with them. Maybe helping her around the house once in a while, being more attentive, sharing duties etc. Maybe the poor woman is working too hard, coming home doing all the housework, childcare, cooking, cleaning. And then, after him sitting on his fat a** all day, expects her to turn into a porn star in the bedroom. Haha yeah guys have no damn idea sometimes.
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posted June 17, 2014 02:34 PM |
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@Stevie: His nationality matters not beyond the fact that he's able to vote in my country, and knowing what he votes for was just an interesting point beside the point since I found all he said all too familiar.
And yes, you were very vague. You just come across as a troll when you criticize someone's posting without leaving any actual hints as to what is lacking. I would call that arrogant.
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