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posted June 28, 2020 02:04 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 13:59, 28 Jun 2020.

Love Handles is mounted back on his "Testing is a double-edged sword because it might make us look bad" horse, probably because he's worried about his re-election in November.
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posted June 28, 2020 10:55 PM

Salamandre said:
You start to sound like Biden.
And you sound like Trump.
If you read the polls, you'll see that Trump's reckless attitude towards, Covid, the wearing of masks, the question whether the worst is over and so on, is mirroring the difference in stance between Dem voters and Rep voters, and nowhere near as telling as in the mask statistics.

Masks are the easiest way to keep Covid in check, this is meanwhile very well known. And the president is simply giving a bad example, and example, that many Reps are following.

That president is a hazard for the USA.

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posted June 29, 2020 12:30 AM

During weeks the press mocked on the desire of business to reopen - including cafes, restaurants and pubs, which have been hit hard by the covid restrictions, with reduced patronage leaving some in a financial hole they will never recover from.

During weeks grieving families struggled to come to terms with the fact only 10 people could attend the service for their loved ones.

But for BLM hysterics, they gave full green light to ignore social distancing - for thousands of individuals at once, all that while patronizing and mocking people who wanted to rally Tusla for Trump. Then mocking there were not many.

So I have no idea what you're talking about, it makes as little sense as Biden.

But he has an excuse : he is senile.


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posted June 29, 2020 05:49 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 05:55, 29 Jun 2020.

Naivety and stupidity in American culture in general is also to blame for the poor coronavirus response. A lot of people are taught from an early age to treat each individual like an island. They're not well-adapted to behave responsibly during a pandemic. People wearing a mask in public is hit-and-miss. There's a misguided feeling of invulnerability from any sort of disaster.

Trump's leadership is makings things harder because he is reinforcing that poor behavior.  He's been a celebrity much longer than a president and wearing a mask on TV is just too much for him to handle.
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posted June 29, 2020 08:50 AM

That's not the point of this - and it's no wonder that Sal is again in denial.

If you look at the table and the part about mask wearing, then most of the statistics given make a lot of sense, say, the older the people the more they lean to it, also women lean more to it then men and so on.

Two statistics are a bit strange. The first is the racial differentiation. 41% of the white people say, you should always wear a mask in public when you are near other, but 61% black and 63% Hispanic.

The second is the voting/leaning to Rep/Dem differentiation. On the question, how often do you think people should wear a mask in public places when they go near others.
For Dem voters it's a 63% for always and another 23% for most of the time; for Rep voters it's 29% for always and also 23% for most of the time.

That's a significant difference, and it's perfectly explainable with the REP government giving such a bad example.

Sal's at it again, but what Sal doesn't know is, that an OUTDOOR protest demonstration with people wearing masks is WAY less dangerous than an indoor mass event with people not wearing them, that much is clear meanwhile

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posted June 29, 2020 01:14 PM

I am not in denial, I wear a mask wherever I go.

I only point to your constant hypocrisy - Trump this, Trump that, Trump doesn't wear a mask (so what, are Americans so dumb they need the president to copy on, did I wait to see Macron half face covered to use a mask??) while there are millions of BLM protestors ignoring any social distancing safety, all this under the total complaisance of medias you cheer. So if there is any extra contamination now, you know who to blame for, and that's not your usual scapegoat.

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posted June 29, 2020 11:30 PM

Don't want to burst your bubble guys but most scientist don't have a clear answer if wearing masks even has a substantial effect on spreading or not of the virus: https://www.livescience.com/are-face-masks-effective-reducing-coronavirus-spread.html. I think "at least it protects to some extent" won't cut it when you're with a group of people for few hours straight, closed space or not.

I don't think "wearing a mask" releases you from responsibility of not going to big gatherings when there's a pandemic going on... I don't know, politics or not, imo it's just common sense I guess.

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posted June 29, 2020 11:35 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 00:03, 30 Jun 2020.

In real life  it would be ridiculous for it to not be a norm to wear a mask in public spaces during a pandemic. Nobody has time to wait for a 6 month or 2 year or 5 year study when there's corpses piling up every hour.  
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posted June 30, 2020 03:04 AM
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@Sal

Legally, there are certain hurdles in the USA that prevent it from taking measures to the same extent that were taken in places like Spain and Italy, let alone to the extremes in the PRC. I have family in Europe and they had to fill out a paper whenever they wanted to go somewhere. In-and-out was enforced very strictly. That didn't really happen here and whether you agree with that or not, that is the reality and it would be the case no matter who was president.

But, that doesn't exonerate Trump. There are things he can, could, and should be doing that he is not doing. He could have ordered mass testing to scale up sooner, but being the climate denier that he is, he had a similar attitude towards COVID as he does towards the climate and he said some ignorant things and blew it off. That was devastating. Pretend Moon Jae-In or Angela Merkel was the president of the USA. The deaths would probably be cut in half or more.
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posted June 30, 2020 05:19 AM

Trump also wanted to shut down travel to certain countries when this thing started kicking off, and your media called him racist for it. Then afterward, they spew the same crap you're spewing now. The guy can't win with the leftist media, no matter what he does, no matter what he accomplishes. His accomplishments are downplayed or demonized, or not televised at all; while any "mistakes" the guy makes are blown WAY out of proportion. I have lost ALL respect for the left, because of this.

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posted June 30, 2020 06:09 AM

It's not my media. I'm just some guy on the internet. I read lots of media.

I didn't have a problem per se with Trump putting travel restrictions up although it was bizarre that he did this while at the same time dragging his feet on testing and response. He has this weird fixation with borders and seeing them as some kind of ultimate trump card.
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posted June 30, 2020 07:52 AM

Someone (from the US) cares to explain why the financial capital is called "the left" in the US? These two "terms" - along with "right" - are very much anachronistic all around the globe nowadays but the 'murica case is especially puzzling to me - you have never had anything resembling a "left" party beyond certain measured slogans.

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posted June 30, 2020 08:16 AM
Edited by artu at 08:18, 30 Jun 2020.

They do have a strange terminology indeed, liberal meaning something close to “social democrat” and libertarian meaning liberal etc..

I think, in the case of “leftism,” the democrats are called that because they are in favor of taxing the rich more in favor of supporting the poorer classes, they lean on the welfare state more. They are also more the progressive side, rather than conservative when it comes to social issues such as abortion, gun laws, healthcare etc. Keep in mind that the conservative voter is not just your usual white midwest American living in his farm, it’s also the crem de la crem of American wealthy, the closest thing they have to an aristocracy.
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posted July 01, 2020 05:18 AM

The Overlooked Role of Guns in the Police-Reform Debate

The story I can’t get out of my head is the death of Philando Castile.

In the summer of 2016, in the suburbs of St. Paul, Minnesota, Castile, a 32-year-old black man, was pulled over in a car he was driving, along with his partner and her 4-year-old daughter.

“How are you?” Castile asked the approaching officer, according to a published transcript.

“Good,” said the cop, a 28-year-old Hispanic American named Jeronimo Yanez. At the driver-side window, he asked for a license and proof of insurance.

“Sir, I have to tell you,” Castile said, “I have a firearm on me.” As his mother would later tell The New York Times, she had instructed her son to “comply, comply, comply” with law enforcement. So he did.

The statement made the officer nervous. “Don’t reach for it,” Yanez said. The gun, he meant.

“I’m,” Castile replied, “I was reaching for—” The wallet, he meant.

“Don’t pull it out!”

“I’m not pulling it out.”

“He’s not pulling it out,” Castile’s partner affirmed.

“Don’t pull it out!” Yanez yelled again. Then the officer unholstered his own gun and fired seven shots at point-blank range. Five bullets hit Castile. Two pierced his heart. Within minutes, he was dead. A licensed firearm sat untouched in the dead man’s pocket. Philando Castile was shot and killed reaching for his wallet.


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posted July 01, 2020 10:34 AM

That is a really bad quote.

A story about getting shot for aggravating a police officer(albeit not on purpose) is not a good view of the article.

At least quote a part that tells you what it is about. Which is prevalence of gun ownership leads to higher number of police deaths and civilian deaths in the hands of the police.

Which is not completely unrelated to the recent police brutality upheaval but still a completely different topic.
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posted July 01, 2020 11:18 AM

Guys, some cops make mistakes, nobody denied that. There is no area where people do not make mistakes, except when they are unemployed and on a couch eating pop corns, subsidized by the tax payer.

For every video of a "white cop" mistakenly killing a "black" man I can show you 50 videos of black thugs killing or hurting white men, white women of white elders without reason, just for the fun and because they are the most racists in the world. Is just that such videos get no interest from the media which overcharges the opposite side, then you fall for the wrong narrative.

Being a cop is one of the hardest jobs, and reform should focus on extra training but also extra security for cops, not removing or tweaking necessary actions or weapons, or removing "unconscious bias", which is nothing but what we scientifically call profiling. When you have a community commit 5 times more crimes, don't ask the law enforcement to be blind to his own intuitions, because that's what keeps him alive. *

You have a community which falls in many areas. Claiming is due to racism is bs, as same community leads in many others, as rap, jazz, sports, pop etc. So some act well, some act bad, that's all, is not like white people hold them back. When they become famous give them their due respect, but when they fall, make them accountable as everyone else and stop looking at the world by skin color.  


*- FBI Director James Comey :

Police officers on patrol in our nation’s cities often work in environments where a hugely disproportionate percentage of street crime is committed by young men of color. Something happens to people of good will working in that environment. After years of police work, officers often can’t help but be influenced by the cynicism they feel.

A mental shortcut becomes almost irresistible and maybe even rational by some lights. The two young black men on one side of the street look like so many others the officer has locked up. Two white men on the other side of the street—even in the same clothes—do not. The officer does not make the same association about the two white guys, whether that officer is white or black. And that drives different behavior. The officer turns toward one side of the street and not the other. We need to come to grips with the fact that this behavior complicates the relationship between police and the communities they serve.



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posted July 01, 2020 01:16 PM

Still this profound lack of knowledge about the connection between crime and poverty and social environment and still the same crap.

Okay, with one exception. Your Comey quote, which is a good descrition of the practical situation. However, I'm not sure whether you really read that, because it closes with:

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We need to come to grips with the fact that this behavior complicates the relationship between police and the communities they serve.

Come to grips, not accept, and this can mean a lot of things.

What this ACTUALLY says, isn't what you think. It means that it's not A FEW cops that make a mistake. It means, that ALL cops are PRONE TO make this kind of mistake because of a certain "occupational behavior" based on their experience - which indeed complicates the relationship between police and community (where the black part is involved).

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posted July 01, 2020 01:48 PM

JollyJoker said:
Still this profound lack of knowledge about the connection between crime and poverty and social environment and still the same crap.



That argument is so weak, is not even worth addressing. Basically you can use it each time as you won't define what is minimal wealth beyond which the criminal behavior is excused, how come that it never seem to apply to other very poor communities or countries - and there are a LOT, so is like when you drop "racist" or "fascist" -  discredit the other, because you lack any substance or serious thoughts to address the real issues.

Beside, this kind of thinking was culturally predominant in the last decades or so, what you say there is what we heard everywhere, from most politicians to most medias. So is not like we didn't try that path. We see the results.
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posted July 01, 2020 02:12 PM

@Joonas

It's the intro to the article. Gun ownership and gun culture are completely relevant to police brutality because in the USA people are forced into situations that make a lethal encounter extremely more likely and that includes interactions between police and the public.
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posted July 01, 2020 02:41 PM
Edited by JollyJoker at 14:42, 01 Jul 2020.

Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
Still this profound lack of knowledge
... We see the results.

This post contains some fundamental flaws, so let's actually address them:
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That argument is so weak
It's not an argument, it's an observation and a statement.
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you won't define what is minimal wealth beyond which the criminal behavior is excused
1) I don't EXCUSE criminal behavior, I just EXPLAIN it; 2) I didn't say that criminal behavior below a certain wealth threshold is unavoidable. It's a bit more complex than that. For example, poverty in a poor, but solid neighborhood is something very different from a "lawless neighborhood". It's also a qjuestion of the laws. Think prohibition. Or think what would happen in France, if wine and smoking was illegal. Not only would that make a lot of people criminals, it would also open up interesting business perspectives for otherwise poor and unemployed people.
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how come that it never seem to apply to other very poor communities or countries
It is - although there aren't any European countries with comparable circumstances - similarities may be found in parts of France and the UK, although I'm not sure about that and wouldn't really want to start a debate on that. No, I'd point more to countries like Brazil and Mexico, for example.
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you lack any substance or serious thoughts to address the real issues
Strange, I would put that to you.

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Beside, this kind of thinking was culturally predominant in the last decades or so, what you say there is what we heard everywhere, from most politicians to most medias. So is not like we didn't try that path.
We certainly didn't hear it in the US, and I don't think we have tried that path in earnest. Sure, some countries tried a bit more than others, but there are still no real solutions.

And anyway - no comment on what you yourself quoted? It's not the first time, I notice, that you quote things that backfire.

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