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Kayna
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posted December 09, 2015 03:28 PM |
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Barring every Muslim from coming in is a pretty bigot thing to do, but I can still see a sliver of logic in it.
We keep blaming other countries and say things like "look at them, they don't care about their own citizens!" and then we allow the people with the highest percentage of terrorists among them. Not the highest percentage of terrorists because they are Muslim, but because we've been bombing the crap out of them for the past 15 years, but still. Why even take the risk?
To put it in other words, I find it illogical to go to war with a country with one hand and allowing them to join the country with the other. Letting dangerous people in, which can result in death of certain citizens, is like sacrificing some of said citizens to the god of political correctness, a higher conscience meant to fool ourselves and make us believe we are better than the rest. Or perhaps fooling ourselves do help the more redneck/conservative plot in one way or another.
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posted December 09, 2015 06:33 PM |
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I understand strict refugee policy or immigration policy.
What I do not understand is Trump using false sources to paint Muslims with false statistics as more dangerous than they are. He is caught time and time again using false information, which means he is a bigot and he is basically using hate-speech.
In United Kingdom The Daily Telegraph newspaper reported that more than 300,000 people had signed a petition calling on the government to bar Trump from entering the country. Not only for his bigoted comments but also because he painted London as a warzone of sorts. Lol. Great President to be you have ;p
He is a demagogue if I ever saw one.
*demagogue
: a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason
: a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 09, 2015 06:41 PM |
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Are there any Trump supporters here, though? Some merely say he's not wrong about everything, but I haven't seen actual support for his run.
Also, I would not be quick to vote for a man with his history even if I was a hardcore Conservative.
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Salamandre
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posted December 09, 2015 06:55 PM |
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Let's see. Bush (who is spending a peaceful retirement btw) lied and pushed Blair to follow him in an illegal invasion which left a bill of half million dead muslims. Bush is considered an hero in UK. Trump orally slips on percentages, a petition is required against him. Bad guy.
Isn't the world surprising and full of fallacies? 
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posted December 09, 2015 07:02 PM |
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If we look at it that way, we could eliminate 99% of politicians from the list. 
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Kayna
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posted December 09, 2015 07:03 PM |
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Edited by Kayna at 19:06, 09 Dec 2015.
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Yeah, he's a demagogue. I'd rather call him a troll. Fits his face and haircut better! I think it's funny to see the media fight him off now, rather than just say the truth about presidents : they don't have any real power, the congress does. Most Americans don't even understand that. Still, don't you find it interesting that his own party is now fighting him off? Don't you want to put him in charge and see how this will play out? If not from a scientific point of view? Seems like an interesting experiment to me!
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posted December 09, 2015 07:05 PM |
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Kayna said:
Yeah, he's a demagogue. I'd rather call him a troll. Fits his face and haircut better! I think it's funny to see the media fight him off now, rather than just say the truth about presidents : they don't have any real power, the congress does. Most Americans don't even understand that. Still, don't you find it interesting that his own party is now fighting him off? Don't you want to put him in charge and see how this will play out? If not from a scientific point of view? Seems interesting to me!
No, not in reality anyway. Maybe someone would be interested in a computer simulation game about that.
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Salamandre
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posted December 09, 2015 07:11 PM |
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No, I think it reveals that most people are very aware and bickering about details but totally overlook the big design, the final goal. This psychological phenomenon is very well understood then exploited by politicians, and this is why the ones mastering the best the political correctness make it until the end.
Which means those not giving a snow about honesty.
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posted December 09, 2015 07:16 PM |
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Complete honesty will never win an election. I don't know about the west, but when was the last time when Romania had a not ex-Communist President?
Right, never. True conservatives were pushed to the side. You are older Salamandre, so you know better than me.
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Salamandre
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posted December 09, 2015 07:19 PM |
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At least technically, it is impossible for a former communist country to have a non ex-communist president, giving that we all had to sign that paper. We are all ex-communists.
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posted December 09, 2015 07:21 PM |
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Ion Ratiu, Radu Campeanu were not Communists. Iliescu was the "saviour"... so yeah.
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posted December 09, 2015 07:26 PM |
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You are giving examples of people technically not romanians. Both quited the country before the second war and came back after the 1990 revolution. Which I usually call opportunism.
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posted December 09, 2015 07:31 PM |
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I disagree there. So you are saying that anyone who left then is no longer romanian, because they didn't live in communism ?
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posted December 09, 2015 07:43 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Let's see. Bush (who is spending a peaceful retirement btw) lied and pushed Blair to follow him in an illegal invasion which left a bill of half million dead muslims. Bush is considered an hero in UK.
Is he now? Tony Blair is absolutely hated for the Iraq war there, how can they consider Bush a hero?
There is a petition to sue Tony Blair for war crimes in the middle east and misleading the public.
Edit: This came out a few months back at the Hillary inquisition, but is relevant to the topic in case someone has missed it Blair's 'deal in blood' with George Bush over Iraq war was forged a YEAR before the invasion had even started
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Kayna
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posted December 09, 2015 07:45 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
Complete honesty will never win an election.
Never say never! Our ancestors gave us an education, and they're starting to regret it! Republicans have been pushing for education funding cuts for a reason!
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posted December 09, 2015 07:46 PM |
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@DD
I am saying that coming back after the deluge, then pretending to be able to govern a country you left for 40 years, is arrogant and opportunist.
Then is irresponsible, to govern a people you must KNOW this people, you must have heard his moans and sufferings, his hopes and dreams, and not just from the newspapers when tasting a Havana cigar and comfortably installed in the west.
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posted December 09, 2015 07:51 PM |
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Salamandre OK I get that, but you cannot say that the parties in power are not full of ex-communists and securists. Because they are.
So we replaced dictatorship but left the corruption intact.
Kayna... I have nothing to say.
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posted December 09, 2015 08:06 PM |
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Arent people born in the US just walking, talking and breathing product placements?
Trump's rhetoric says more about america than it says about trump as a person. He is a businessman afterall.
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posted December 10, 2015 01:59 AM |
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Serafim said:
Arent people born in the US just walking, talking and breathing product placements?
corporations would have the masses believe so. if that were true, you would see a whole lot more promotional stickers for companies covering cars. as it is, i've only seen 2(cars that are covered to endorse whatever, to pay the driver for advertising) in the 6-or-so cities i occupy.
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Trump's rhetoric says more about america than it says about trump as a person. He is a businessman afterall.
sure. because 100% of the u.s. is behind trump.
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posted December 10, 2015 02:04 AM |
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Salamandre said:
Nobody takes immigrants by the collar and tells them "you gotta go there". Even if people voting left are supporting this propaganda to explain why the assimilation doesn't work, the truth is much simpler.
This truth is same as in every country which offers social welfare: the type of the housing receiving welfare is precise and must match various criteria. And as everywhere in the world, the types of houses match the neighborhood. Then the majority of people immigrating -not necessarily Muslims, everybody- are economical migrants, which means they have little to offer but a lot to ask. People arriving without any scholar education or diplomas have little chances to occupy luxurious apartments on the Champs Elysees, thus they have to accommodate with sorta ghettos where the prices are low and affordable -for them. This is what I did too, when I was not yet allowed to work because my student visa.
But this doesn't mean you are forced to stay in such areas all your life. As in every social climbing, the house you live in will match your journey. But if no progress -and you will be the only responsible of your failures, then of course you will have live in such ghettos all your life.
Knowing that education, including access to universities, is FREE in Europe, I see no reason to explain global poverty -to a large extend- other than laziness, immaturity, low set of life priorities or drugs.
how's the employment rate over there? is it easy to get a job?
here, i've applied for lots of jobs, and only received one callback. and this is for entry-level jobs; not anything requiring anything from you other than the ability to work.
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