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Stevie
Stevie


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted January 24, 2015 01:22 AM

I on the other hand am going to take the Spiders, Vampires, Liches and Lamasu and lose majestically.
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RMZ1989
RMZ1989


Supreme Hero
posted January 24, 2015 01:28 AM

Well, making them and suiciding against stronger opponents, I guess that works too.

After all, you are playing Necro, you just have to love dying. It could be possible that's what devs were referring to when they've said that H7 Necro will have different gameplay. I can't wait to play this and be absolutely crushed.

I love it already!
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Gryphs
Gryphs


Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
posted January 24, 2015 01:30 AM

There is no feeling quite as good as losing seems that Necropolis is not so bad after all.

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Pawek_13
Pawek_13


Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
posted January 24, 2015 01:32 AM

RMZ1989 said:
I love it already!

I would still hire Elite and Core units. Elite, however, would be sacrifised every week to get more experience. At least they will be useful and won't make me upset with their looks.

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Stevie
Stevie


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Undefeatable Hero
posted January 24, 2015 01:37 AM
Edited by Stevie at 01:37, 24 Jan 2015.

Nah. Getting XP from those is an insult. I'm going full cynical and die a horrible death. It's like Necro at its core.
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exodustpa
exodustpa


Hired Hero
posted January 24, 2015 02:52 AM

Well somehow I dont feel that Necro is all that bad, except maybe the stupid spider.

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Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted January 24, 2015 03:08 AM

All it really needed was a fresh coat of paint. Yeah.

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foxxxer
foxxxer


Promising
Famous Hero
posted January 24, 2015 04:23 AM

I remember times when people were discussing about how many new creatures there are in the line-up compared to the previous installments. Nowadays people discuss how many recycled critters we have and some of them consider it as something acceptable. ďBut at least they are honestĒ some say. I donít give a f*** about their honesty. The want my money, I want a new game look. Donít you think after itís a new game (not some expansion or DLC) besides a new game mechanics the fans expect new creatures, artworks and 3D models.

When I watched the demo several months ago I had the feeling that H7ís adv. map graphics are the same like H6 ones but even in my wildest dreams I havenít expected such a cheap move by Ubi concerning the critters. So we have 5 out of 8 reused models Ė ghost, lich, vampire, lamasu and bone dragon (even though it was a boss in H6). If the case was 1-2 reused models because the fans really love them I would accept it somehow. But more than the half in one fation... and even beter, the fans hate the artworks. This is just pathetic, Ubi really knows how to f*** around with the M&M fans. Also they transfer from one color code to another. From neon green to a lot glowing cyan and some purple. Whatís so wrong with the good old black, white, grey, dark brown, dark red? Oh, yeah, red and brown donít fit to the neon green eyes. Thatís should be the reason . Also the explanation for the colors is just ridicules:
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ē  ďNeonĒ Green: this colour is associated with Necromancy and the Namtaru Venom, and is therefore still present in the eyes of Vampires and Liches.
ē  Purple: this colour is associated with Dark magic, and touches of it are present on weapons and creatures imbued with this particular type of magic.

So now the magic schools have specific colors. Also those rendered screenshots look terrible compared to the Haven and Academy animations. Maybe the render camera is too close to the model, idk.

More and more I think (as many others) that the franchise needs total reboot because this world goes nowhere, fixed in some freaking frame. I understand that they try to make uniform universe which has some continuity but that not always works fine. Everything went wrong when they tried to compensate two decades developed franchise with some hastily contrived timeline (H5) which led to retcons and even more static universe (H6) Ė 9 faction mold, fleshy liches, teen vamps, the wizards are creators of about 90% of the creatures in Ashan, no Halflings, demon invasions only during eclipses, the plots are set only the range of this timeline (most likely because Erwan doesnít have the balls to go after DM) etc. Thatís why I think we need something fresh. This will be possible only if the bald lich in charge is replaced as well as his paradigm. It seems heís not competent enough to create something distinguishable and just follow the mainstream. And I donít mean Ashan to be completely scraped. It might play support role for specific scenarios/missions but we have to move on.

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JollyJoker
JollyJoker


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
posted January 24, 2015 09:46 AM

The Lich and Vampire were to be expected - the real disappointment is the Grim guy.
Doesn't fit the theme. What's their story? What ARE they?
Nothing under the hood? Hey, maybe it's a void vampire, and on a horse skeleton, wow!
How about Zombie riders on Lamasus. Or banshees riding the bone dragons?
I mean, on one hand we had the Dread/Death Knights of HoMM 3 - but they left the BF in Ashan, being the Necro heroes of Might, if anything, and were replaced quite well with Wight/Wraiths, which have been fine harbingers and bringers of Death.
And now - we get an apocalyptic rider?

I stopped caring about what creatures are in what not some time ago, but this Necropolis is - excuse the pun - bloodless. I don't see a theme anymore. SPIDERS? Apocalyptic riders? Pimped-up skeletons? Shaolin-monk Liches on dope? Vampires with carbon-fibre swords (only explanation for taking up on the challenge who has the biggest d... SWORD, sorry...

It has to be a trick! They sacrificed Necropolis, so that the other factions will look like pure gold now! Knowing that Necro fans are the most loyal ones who'll take any crap for the real thing, they picked that.
Sly basterds, those marketing guys.

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Naze
Naze


Known Hero
posted January 24, 2015 09:48 AM

NECROPOLIS TOWN SCREEN WAS REVEALED! (...or not)


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Darkem
Darkem


Known Hero
posted January 24, 2015 10:13 AM

Oh, please stop, with this. Colors are the best thing in the new necropolis. They've finally listened to us. The fact they reused the model is terrible, but it can be changed and shouldn't cause such a outrage. I would gladly see units from the previous game as a addition to new one. I only hope we won't loose neutrals or other features because of this... event/happening/manifestations .

Anyway, I have an idea how we can tweak the Lammasu and Lich models without huge amount of work.




It would be nice to have new models for every unit, but we should be aware of Ubi politics. Even if we don't agree with, we shouldn't start flame on Limbic website, it is Ubi who makes choices. On the other hand H6's graphics is the best side of it, why do not use it? (With some changes of course).

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Sleeping_Sun
Sleeping_Sun


Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
posted January 24, 2015 10:18 AM
Edited by Sleeping_Sun at 10:19, 24 Jan 2015.

Well, now models would be great, but now we can only hope they will re-texture them a bit. Only that can redeem this faction at least to a certain degree.


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Dexter
Dexter


Known Hero
posted January 24, 2015 10:22 AM
Edited by Dexter at 10:24, 24 Jan 2015.

I must admit that the Necropolis reveal proves to be the biggest disappointment yet... I understand the necessity of recycling models and animations from Heroes VI, but personally I find the new color scheme worse than it used to be in Heroes VI. Everyone complained about the toxic green units, asking to add some variation into each of the faction specific color schemes, and what we get instead is no colors at all! I cannot possibly understand how graying-out all the models and adding a purple glow might be considered an improvement...

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Wellplay
Wellplay


Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
posted January 24, 2015 10:28 AM
Edited by Wellplay at 10:29, 24 Jan 2015.

Darkem thank you for words of reason in this times of madness.

Now if idiots on blog could only hear words of reason...

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LizardWarrior
LizardWarrior


Honorable
Legendary Hero
Age of erwins is over
posted January 24, 2015 10:52 AM

Wellplay said:
Darkem thank you for words of reason in this times of madness.

Now if idiots on blog could only hear words of reason...


Wellplay said:
But no we rather gona flame, rage, spit on every corner like idiots descending into madness...


Wellplay said:
Mindless toxic drones.


Wellplay said:
TD i would ban your ass for this vulgar words, learn to behave!!!


Oh please, all you do is to say how "idiot", "raging", "mad", "vulgar" are the people, while all you do is exactly that. That ,my friend, is called hypocrisy, no offense, but that's exactly what you are doing. You have repetitive comments, without constructivism, take it further to personal insults. At least some of us say what they don't like, it's harsh, but that it's our opinion, that is actually constructive criticism, while all you do is being an ubisoft fanboy, insulting those who don't agree with you. Have you saw that me or anyone else on this forum has bashed others because they liked them? No, so please stop being such a child and act mature.

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Alex_Yakub
Alex_Yakub


Famous Hero
posted January 24, 2015 11:31 AM

So they just reused lamasu, lich, vampire and bone dragon from H6, and only changed color a bit? That's... disappointing Oh well, at least grim rider looks awesome
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adriancat
adriancat


Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
posted January 24, 2015 11:47 AM
Edited by adriancat at 11:49, 24 Jan 2015.

It is Heroes VI Necro I liked the most, but those spiders...urghhh...

P.S. When will we get new videos with the game ?

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Darkem
Darkem


Known Hero
posted January 24, 2015 12:22 PM

@Alex_Yakub
If you take a closer look you can see that dragon has some additional bones and a open ribcage.

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blob2
blob2


Legendary Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted January 24, 2015 01:28 PM
Edited by blob2 at 13:29, 24 Jan 2015.

This does seem like Ubisoft is continuing its patchwork strategy since H6, trying to make those games as cheap as possible (probably because they've put a lot of money in Nivals game, so they don't want to anymore). I mean the games are okay and all, but a fan would like to see some real love for this series, a high-end product. Some may say that we fans b*tch a lot. Some may say: be glad that the franchise is still alive thanks to Ubisoft. I don't know, seeing how much disappointment some things bring like faction line-ups (I'm still disappointed with most of them faction line-ups), recycling or devoted, but resource-limited designers, maybe it would be better off dead...

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Wellplay
Wellplay


Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
posted January 24, 2015 01:30 PM
Edited by Wellplay at 15:42, 24 Jan 2015.

LizardWarrior

I never did attack people because i don't agree with them, i'm with you guys on this one. I only don't agree with how people do this thing. I agree that my words did not have any constructivism in them, but they still are much more moderate in constrast to what happens on blog. I might look to you as fanboy( i don't really care) cause i like to wait for full info regarding any stuff before i start to comment(like waiting for upgraded elite & champion units) instead of "harsh criticism".

Check what TD writed(this kind of comments exist)this is what you sugarcoat as "harsh criticism" or attack somebody personaly example comments regarding Erwan which i don't agree on some stuff with him but don't attack him personaly, or attacking people who like current necro( The_Spider_King ) comment and other examples.

And last thing you should check BeYo_OnD(Stevie) comment who got 53 likes on how positive criticism should look like.

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