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malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted August 04, 2015 02:13 AM |
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Edited by malax83 at 11:31, 04 Aug 2015.
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EnergyZ said:
Example: Haven would be a faction that has a lot of troops. To adapt, the hero can have leadership as a skill and cast blessings. The hero could also cast damage spells and use war machinery skill, but that might not be a better strategy for a hero of Haven.
For example, Haven,.. yes it s a good example. Many abilities of faction are conditionnal, "when the morale...", "If the morale...", "If a stack died..."...
There s no issue to balance the full list comparing to the marker mechanics of wood elves for example. I m not saying it s imbalanced, i m saying it s too difficult to prove something, to prove one of this ability is too powerfull (moreover the rigtheousness skill which amplify effect). Some of these abilities are triggered oftenly while other triggers at once,.. bloodrage is during the first turns... metamagic is complicated too..
There s no fundemental similarity bewteen abilities, there s no way to minimize their impact. It comes from Heroes 5, i know, but i stopped playing heroes 5 when i saw everyone were playing dwarves (too strong at release).
Heroes 5 Dungueon for example deal more damage and negate magic resistance, this settings can be controlled cause it dépends of one parameter. The demon gate has some similarity with the necromancy, and the value could be controlled (we are talking about 5% for necromancy...).
Things could be simple :
- wood elves : avenger - critical (might damage) // Resistance Magic
- academy : spells damage ( Prime / Air / Earth ) // Grant a bonus to a creature
- undead : necromancy (hiring)
- haven : training (hiring core creature)
- dungeon : spells damage ( Fire / Water ) // Grant a bonus to a creature
- forteress : critical (migth damage) // Resist Magic
Definetly, there s no need 7 new abilities per factions - lot of them could be useless.
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted August 04, 2015 03:12 AM |
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PandaTar said:
So, Gold Dragons are summons when one has the Tear of Asha in their Haven town?
Would it be considered a neutral if it's only summonable in Haven?
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted August 04, 2015 08:30 AM |
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PandaTar said:
So, Gold Dragons are summons when one has the Tear of Asha in their Haven town?
It says "summoned with a specific artefact", not "hired from a building"; Tear of Asha more or less amounts to "unique, one-time building card".
Personally, I think it's a box containing Elrath's voice. 
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Hex
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 04, 2015 11:31 AM |
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"All of them can be recruited in specific buildings found on the adventure map, like the Elemental Conflux and the Magic Menagerie."
So it seems like all of them can be recruited from the dwellings on the map.
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malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted August 04, 2015 12:05 PM |
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Edited by malax83 at 12:11, 04 Aug 2015.
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My idea for skill faction simplification :
- Wood elves : Avenger // Resistance Magic
- Academy : Sorcellery // Assert
- Undead : Necromancy
- Haven : Diplomacy
- Dungeon : Sorcellery // Assert
- Forteress : Avenger // Resist Magic
Avenger :
For each rank, the player choose two creatures including one creature who is not owned by ennemy creatures. Chances of critical are increased.
Assert :
For each rank (except Grand Master rank), grant a bonus to a creature owned by the player. At GrandMaster Rank, grant an overall bonus to the three asserted creatures.
Resistance Magic :
5% / 10 % / 15 % / 20 %
GrandMaster provides 5% chance to return the spell against ennemy
Sorcellery :
Spells Damage of respective school magic are increased (Academy : Prime, Air, Earth; Dungueon : Fire, Water) :
5% / 10 % / 15 % / 20 %
Necromancy :
5 % / 10 % / 15 %
GrandMaster provides Eternal servitude.
Diplomacy :
20 % / 30 % / 40 % - percentage of creature joining you after negociation (2 times per week)
GrandMaster provides Amnesty
Excepted Humans (Diplomacy) and Undead (Necromancy) who are based on creatures growth, each factions can choose between a migth or a magic specialization.
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alexine
Known Hero
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posted August 04, 2015 01:14 PM |
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Why would anyone want to simplify the faction skills ?  deepen them instead !
Minion said:
Storm-Giant said:
That's why I'm saying it. I want spellcasters back!
hear, hear!
+1
+2
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 04, 2015 01:15 PM |
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malax83 said:
I m feeling like depressive when i see all this heroes 3 potential under-used. Heroes 7 ? Heroes 8 ? Heroes 9 ? There s no strategy game - only a sad solo campaign game..
hakuna matata malax83, I'm sure Heroes 10 will be better lol
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted August 04, 2015 01:28 PM |
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verriker said:
hakuna matata malax83, I'm sure Heroes 10 will be better lol
Tbh I fear very much for the future of the franchise, MMORTSFPS maybe?
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 04, 2015 02:19 PM |
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Galaad said:
verriker said:
hakuna matata malax83, I'm sure Heroes 10 will be better lol
Tbh I fear very much for the future of the franchise, MMORTSFPS maybe?
Well, one can hope at some point Erwan will get tired of the fanchise and move on to new playgrounds, letting someone else have a go at it, if the franchise is not completely dead by then ...
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What will happen now?
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted August 04, 2015 02:22 PM |
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verriker said:
malax83 said:
I m feeling like depressive when i see all this heroes 3 potential under-used. Heroes 7 ? Heroes 8 ? Heroes 9 ? There s no strategy game - only a sad solo campaign game..
hakuna matata malax83, I'm sure Heroes 10 will be better lol
It will be so much better infact that there won't even be any need for a H9. After 2 expansions, bringing it to v8.2, the series will jump straight to H10 and it will be free to download but you will have to pay for the removal of the ads.
We can only hope that the Windows comparison holds true and atleast every odd numbered game will be good.
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PROJ
Known Hero
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posted August 04, 2015 03:18 PM |
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malax83 said:
I m feeling like depressive when i see all this heroes 3 potential under-used. Heroes 7 ? Heroes 8 ? Heroes 9 ? There s no strategy game - only a sad solo campaign game..
Lol...the irony
multiplayer homm 3 is almost literally a single player game. At least in the later games you can play duels where you actually interact with your opponent. Homm 3 is closer to a logistics/spreadsheet simulator as you plan out your heroes' movements than a strategy game like chess or go
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted August 04, 2015 03:22 PM |
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PROJ said:
At least in the later games you can play duels where you actually interact with your opponent.
Because when I think war I think of duels.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted August 04, 2015 03:34 PM |
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Yeah I don't really see the point on bashing on a 1999 game which had an HD edition which sold well in 2015, even if only vanilla. Also, I disagree with the single player statement, my best and most fun games actually were hotseats, but that's personal experience.
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PROJ
Known Hero
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posted August 04, 2015 03:49 PM |
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Avirosb said:
PROJ said:
At least in the later games you can play duels where you actually interact with your opponent.
Because when I think war I think of duels.
I don't give a crap about war. He was talking about strategy games. Try to keep up.
I could also play a game of mario bros. with someone in the same room, but it doesn't mean i'm playing against them, which is kind of important for a strategy game
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 04, 2015 03:54 PM |
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Oh PROJ, you so silly  
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted August 04, 2015 03:55 PM |
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PROJ
Known Hero
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posted August 04, 2015 04:00 PM |
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No, I'm completely right
you can literally go through any homm 3 player's youtube channel or the streams linked through heroes3.tv
Not my fault you guys completely lack game design knowledge and any perspective on strategy games
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 04, 2015 04:01 PM |
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seriously?
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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PROJ
Known Hero
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posted August 04, 2015 04:03 PM |
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yep
I even challenged people to provide vod proof otherwise amongst good homm 3 players. 0 takers so far, because I'm completely correct.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted August 04, 2015 04:06 PM |
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Heroes tv is about sick russians with no life spoiling Heores III of most thrilling features because they want the ratings system monotonous. That is not Heroes III.
The best experience we can get from a game is first hand experience. You never played a single game of Heroes III, I already designed 43 mods for, most offering extended mechanics and new elements. So I think you have a long way to to until argue with me about its possibilities or applications, don't you think?
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