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Rakshasa92
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posted August 10, 2015 09:10 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
Gryphs said:
The_green_drag said:
Apparently the black dragon is not very strong anyways according to the guy who played dungeon at the gamescon.
The Black Dragon has been weak since H5(i.e. Ashan black dragons are weak) I don't believe that will change soon.
And they ask about Titans verse black dragons...as if you needed one to take down the other. All the champions are underpowered 
That is a question to escape the wrath and hate-mail of all their "fans"/"slaves", as those single minded dragon lovers probably answer that question before they rampage their dislike for the reused Black Dragon model, just ask them a question to keep them quiet, the Titan and B.DRagon fans probably attack each other instead.
But their experiment failed and much dislike on the site anyway, wonderful!
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted August 10, 2015 09:17 PM |
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According to Zeki (I think was his name) 80 dryads killed 3 dragons in one hit.......
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted August 10, 2015 09:23 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
According to Zeki (I think was his name) 80 dryads killed 3 dragons in one hit.......
:sips his tea: :starts coughing:
This game will need so much balancing... Again... Why can't they move the release date? 
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted August 10, 2015 09:26 PM |
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That would impede the money from entering Erwan's wallet.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 10, 2015 09:31 PM |
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Rakshasa92 said:
That is a question to escape the wrath and hate-mail of all their "fans"/"slaves", as those single minded dragon lovers probably answer that question before they rampage their dislike for the reused Black Dragon model, just ask them a question to keep them quiet, the Titan and B.DRagon fans probably attack each other instead.
spot on, like the rebooted legacy heroes it's basically a misdirected "me too" appeal to fan nostalgia (and here I thought nostalgia was a pejorative to Ashan lol), like as if simply acknowledging that black dragons were once rivals of titans in a bit of flavor text is going to magically recreate the original Heroes spirit lol
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted August 10, 2015 09:40 PM |
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If i remember correctly, in certain article it was shown that you will be able to change creatures stats very easy.
In that sense if balance made by them sucks we can fix it very easy.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted August 10, 2015 09:47 PM |
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Wellplay said:
In that sense if balance made by them sucks we can fix it very easy.
Balancing a game is anything but easy, it needs lots of testing, which will be done by the players/customers after vanilla, and most likely corrected patch after patch, hoping those won't generate new bugs.
I can't believe I read some stuff like 80 Pixies killing 3 Dragons with one hit, and we are loosing uniqueness of creatures for the sake of balance?
I understand some want to hope and all, but please keep it real, and also please understand if we complain it is because we want to have a good Heroes game, especially when it's been so long we haven't got a decent one.
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted August 10, 2015 09:49 PM |
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Wellplay said:
If i remember correctly, in certain article it was shown that you will be able to change creatures stats very easy.
In that sense if balance made by them sucks we can fix it very easy.
But only in a map that you include your changes...
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 10, 2015 09:59 PM |
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I can't be convinced until we see modding in action. If you can only duplicate content, how are you going to alter any existing map? By disabling the base factions and replacing every explicit creature/town/etc in the map? sheeesh.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted August 10, 2015 10:03 PM |
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Galaad said:
I can't believe I read some stuff like 80 Pixies killing 3 Dragons with one hit, and we are loosing uniqueness of creatures for the sake of balance?
Okay, killing one, maybe, but THREE? That shouldn't happen... 
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted August 10, 2015 10:17 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 22:20, 10 Aug 2015.
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Sleeping_Sun said:
Wellplay said:
If i remember correctly, in certain article it was shown that you will be able to change creatures stats very easy.
In that sense if balance made by them sucks we can fix it very easy.
But only in a map that you include your changes...
I'm not talking about newest article concerning heavy moding. I mean article in which they show how u can change Behemot stats with ease.
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alexine
Known Hero
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posted August 10, 2015 10:19 PM |
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Well the question is, the dragons were neutral or led by hero as well as pixi ?
If 80 pixi is under the hero command and 3 dragons are neutral, with luck they can kill 3 dragons ...
In heroes 5 it was possible too ... with luck + avenger = 4x dmg, they could kill 3 dragons too
...if the dragons were led by a hero however ...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted August 10, 2015 10:24 PM |
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Wellplay & Alexine:
1. Changing stats easily does not mean balancing the game is easy.
2. Taking H5 OP racial as an example, really?
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted August 10, 2015 10:41 PM |
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1. But it's not as hard as people make it to be
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Zeki
Supreme Hero
sup
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posted August 10, 2015 10:49 PM |
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It were orcs and not pixies - which is only a little bit less bad. Both were under control of a hero as it was a duel. I think the orcs were under the effect of bloodlust though, but still the champions did feel like they can be killed too easily by cores.
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted August 10, 2015 11:20 PM |
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Edited by jhb at 00:04, 11 Aug 2015.
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Hmm orcs are a lvl 3 unit I think.
From what I saw, Black dragons aren't as tanky as the hydra and that might be a good thing imo, otherwise why someone would choose hydra exactly? =P
About the "80 dryads hit killed 3 dragons", Alexine has a good point. I think there is too much speculation based only on two numbers. Although realistically, I don't expect the game to have a refined balance at release. But there are so many unknown variables involved, hero skill build used, buffs/debuffs, temporary buff/debuffs, racials, lucky hit, artifacts, might h x magic h, how many of x creature we'll get per week, some malfunction ability/bug, etc.
Also, orc racial numbers seemed op and still need some adjustments, I think.
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted August 11, 2015 12:06 AM |
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Edited by jhb at 00:30, 11 Aug 2015.
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Another case was with ranged treant, I also found it weird at the beginning. But if we stop to think for a moment, people complained about this change because of lack of variety. But, making upgraded treant ranged, actually, adds variety.
Remember that we have 2 champs per faction now and we'll get 12 champions at release, that's more than previous titles with expansions.
If I'm not mistaken we'll have:
haven: flyer, walker
necro: flyer, walker
academy: flyer, shooter
stronghold: walker, shooter*
dungeon: walker, flyer
sylvan: walker, ?
that's 5 walkers, 4 flyers, 2 shooters or 3 if ancient treant is ranged.
* I'm not even sure if cyclops will have a baseline ranged attack. From here, I guess it will be a special ability.
edit:
speculating a bit about expansions, I don't think inferno would get a champion shooter. Fortress I would bet for a flyer and the other I don't know. So my bet:
inferno: pit lord (teleporter), abyssal worm (walker, maybe with a burrow ability?)
fortress: fire dragon (flyer), my bet for the other champ is walker - a frost giant from norse mythology or something.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted August 11, 2015 12:16 AM |
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jhb said:
Another case was with ranged treant, I also found it weird at the beginning. But if we stop to think for a moment, people complained about this change because of lack of variety. But, making upgraded treant ranged, actually, adds variety.
It is not much about being a ranged unit. I do prefer Sylvan has a Champ ranged unit. The deal, however, is that treant is supposed to be more of a defensive unit, like tank. Even its ability is to stop enemy's movement.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted August 11, 2015 12:23 AM |
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jhb said:
flayer
I am pretty sure you mean "flyer" instead of "flayer" - which means something completely different  .
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted August 11, 2015 12:29 AM |
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Edited by jhb at 00:57, 11 Aug 2015.
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EnergyZ said:
It is not much about being a ranged unit. I do prefer Sylvan has a Champ ranged unit. The deal, however, is that treant is supposed to be more of a defensive unit, like tank. Even its ability is to stop enemy's movement.
I understand, our traditional treant has been like that, my point is that the change may end up being good for gameplay. And, on the contrary to what people may think, it actually adds variety.
Edit: @Energy, I think A. Treant will be a kind of tank/support/shooter hybrid. We'll see in next beta 
@Maurice, sure 
thanks for noting 
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