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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted September 13, 2015 10:37 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 22:39, 13 Sep 2015.
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I might consider the H6 stories "good" if every snowing idea was not ripped right out of Westeros.
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filozof
Tavern Dweller
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posted September 13, 2015 10:50 PM |
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It is "dissapointing" because he isn't blind hater like some other players on these forums. There are people who believe that being hardcore heroes fan means hating ubisoft, ashan, laughing at newer games and telling some stupid jokes about Erwan having spider instead of his brain. Same people also think their stance is right and therefore superior, so the ones who disagree with it are either new players, less inteligent or just wrong. When they find out that one of the old developers dares to have different gaming preferences, they are dissapointed in him and stop taking him seriously.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted September 13, 2015 10:52 PM |
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I think he is also thinking about the people currently working on M$M franchise. Suddenly becoming jobless because they franchise you were working in got canned cant be very fun and that's something he lived first hand, i think.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted September 13, 2015 10:56 PM |
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filozof said:
It is "dissapointing" because he isn't blind hater like some other players on these forums. There are people who believe that being hardcore heroes fan means hating ubisoft, ashan, laughing at newer games and telling some stupid jokes about Erwan having spider instead of his brain. Same people also think their stance is right and therefore superior, so the ones who disagree with it are either new players, less inteligent or just wrong. When they find out that one of the old developers dares to have different gaming preferences, they are dissapointed in him and stop taking him seriously.
On the contrary, I think that man's statement is disappointing because he is not deeply involved into the situation. I could just read and say this is right and wrong. But he does not participate in discussions.
That and even some decisions involving game itself aside, there are still issues that are plain unfair. Like when mostly everyone was against the Necro townscreen, the reply to all the situation had to be waited for several days. Instead, they put that pre-order button first.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 14, 2015 12:33 AM |
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There are some people who believe to continue a legacy they have to scrap a whole universe, get rid or extensively alter some of the most acclaimed game mechanics by the community, then tell us to move on, as we would supposedly be trapped in the past.
Same people claim on advertising campaign the game is being done with the community, then organize horrid voting sessions with teared apart faction staples, and give us as instruction to wreck havoc in a facebook-like place without moderation.
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Cast your votes, convince your fellow councilors to change their minds (by any means you deem necessary)
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 14, 2015 12:33 AM |
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filozof said:
It is "dissapointing" because he isn't blind hater like some other players on these forums. There are people who believe that being hardcore heroes fan means hating ubisoft, ashan, laughing at newer games and telling some stupid jokes about Erwan having spider instead of his brain. Same people also think their stance is right and therefore superior, so the ones who disagree with it are either new players, less inteligent or just wrong. When they find out that one of the old developers dares to have different gaming preferences, they are dissapointed in him and stop taking him seriously.
seems a bit nasty and hypocritical to extrapolate all that from Stevie calling those remarks disappointing, for all we know maybe they are disappointing for any number of reasons, but certainly let us relieve the perceived tense hate at HC by immediately jumping to accuse others of hatred lol
personally, I would think a hardcore Heroes fan would be the blind fan, the kind to promote non-critical fanboyism and love any product unconditionally,
I think I know some of the people you are trying to dismiss and they definitely aren't hardcore fanatics, they don't just adore the game unconditionally, they are honest, critical and call out BS when they see it because they want the best game possible or a better game at worst lol
for anyone who values quality and doesn't want a retread of H6, it's important to have expectations/standards, express distaste for current direction if you find it distasteful and be able to challenge assumptions Ubisoft takes for granted, without the usual vocal minority reactions of "haters gonna hate" or "nostalgia holy H3",
after all, you can support Denver Broncos all you like but if foreigners buy them out and entire team is fired, manager is fired, clubhouse is burned, their own people come in and scores plummet, you are within your rights to ask what on earth happened to the Broncos and how to sort it out lol
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted September 14, 2015 12:53 AM |
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@Verriker
Its more like Broncos burned their own clubhouse, manager and entire team decided to disband, but foreigners came and hired new manager and entire new team and actually done really good in fist season...
You think that: " hardcore Heroes fan would be the blind fan, the kind to promote non-critical fanboyism and love any product unconditionally" and you are right. That is exactly how most of HC "hardcore/critical" fans behave. But their blind fanboyism is directed toward H3.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 14, 2015 01:07 AM |
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dark-whisperer said:
@Verriker
Its more like Broncos burned their own clubhouse, manager and entire team decided to disband, but foreigners came and hired new manager and entire new team and actually done really good in fist season...
You think that: " hardcore Heroes fan would be the blind fan, the kind to promote non-critical fanboyism and love any product unconditionally" and you are right. That is exactly how most of HC "hardcore/critical" fans behave. But their blind fanboyism is directed toward H3.
started first season really badly, recovered and became quite good towards end, then replaced manager again, did worse than ever before in team history in second season, and not a lot better in third lol
anyway I think you are wrong, even though the quality of Heroes 3 could be easily backed up with data like its many awards, enduring creation of content and Ubisoft and even Erwin himself literally telling us it is the most popular Heroes title of all time™, I don't think I ever saw many people at HC who think Heroes 3 is the perfect Heroes game and are not able to discuss its flaws, if you would prove otherwise be my guest lol
in my opinion people just look at Heroes 3 as one of multiple examples of great games in the Heroes series, including H2 and H5, I see far more people I would respectfully describe as hardcore non-critical fanboys tend to bring up H3 out of the blue and insist to us how overrated it is lol
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Kayna
Supreme Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 01:17 AM |
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Why support the game? If we all stop buying HoMM products, they'll sell the franchise to another software company, and they'll do a better job than Ubisuck.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted September 14, 2015 01:30 AM |
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verriker said:
started first season really badly, recovered and became quite good towards end, then replaced manager again, did worse than ever before in team history in second season, and not a lot better in third lol
Actually 3rd season didnt even start yet. See how biased you are?  lol
...I don't think I ever saw many people at HC who think Heroes 3 is the perfect Heroes game and are not able to discuss its flaws, if you would prove otherwise be my guest lol
If you don't see that people here are biased towards H3 there is nothing I can quote to change your mind. Im not even sure if you are just joking so I don't want to waste my time on quoting half of this forum.
in my opinion people just look at Heroes 3 as one of multiple examples of great games in the Heroes series, including H2 and H5, I see far more people I would respectfully describe as hardcore non-critical fanboys tend to bring up H3 out of the blue and insist to us how overrated it is lol
In my opinion people here will dig up any Heroes game to back up their claim. Same people glorify H5 if that suits their current arguement and few pages later drags it through dirt because it doesen't suit them anymore. Same goes for any other Heroes game (H3, H4). For example if someone needs to present how cr@py stories UBI writes they will glorify H4 and then few pages later they will tear H4 apart over Infernopolis. People here are inconsistent in everything except for bashing anything UBI does
One more thing. Almost everyone here have some concoction of all heroes in their heads against which they compare this new one. New heroes have to battle against best features of all other heroes in their finished state (after expansions, added features and dlc's) and all that before they are even released.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted September 14, 2015 01:38 AM |
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dark-whisperer said:
In my opinion people here will dig up any Heroes game to back up their claim. Same people glorify H5 if that suits their current arguement and few pages later drags it through dirt because it doesen't suit them anymore. Same goes for any other Heroes game (H3, H4). For example if someone needs to present how cr@py stories UBI writes they will glorify H4 and then few pages later they will tear H4 apart over Infernopolis. People here are inconsistent in everything except for bashing anything UBI does
Or they like some aspects of the game and dislike others? (e.g. story and towns in H4)
dark-whisperer said:
New heroes have to battle against best features of all other heroes in their finished state (after expansions, added features and dlc's) and all that before they are even released.
Why battle them? Why not using those features?
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"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted September 14, 2015 01:47 AM |
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frostymuaddib said:
Or they like some aspects of the game and dislike others? (e.g. story and towns in H4)
Oh yes, of course but what people manage to do is to mention only good stuff from terrible game, make it look good and then compare it new one. For example:
Arguement never goes like this: H4 is total sh1t of the game except for the story, UBI should hire Terry Ray to write expansion campaign for them.
Instead it goes like this: Why is UBI recreating Axeoth campaign in HVII, they should make it for HIV because HVII is complete cr@p and I would rather play Infernopolis.
Why battle? Because if its not direct copy then that feature becames something people compare it against. Any variation is battle. And people here loooooove to find a way to hate a feature.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 14, 2015 01:57 AM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Actually 3rd season didnt even start yet. See how biased you are? lol
third season will start in 15 days after two playable betas which ended as recent as last week, it is gone gold and literally everything about the game is known, I guess it is nice to think a miracle will come out of the sky to drastically improve the core design and rough edges of the game but until then I don't personally rate what I've seen very highly, no, lol
dark-whisperer said:
If you don't see that people here are biased towards H3 there is nothing I can quote to change your mind. Im not even sure if you are just joking so I don't want to waste my time on quoting half of this forum.
literally not even kidding, if you can point to this mystery gaggle of people on the forum you legitimately think have "blind fanboyism toward H3" running around saying it is perfect or would not engage in discussion about its problems or mistakes, I concede your point, otherwise stop retorting to me with nonsense lol
dark-whisperer said:
In my opinion people here will dig up any Heroes game to back up their claim. Same people glorify H5 if that suits their current arguement and few pages later drags it through dirt because it doesen't suit them anymore. Same goes for any other Heroes game (H3, H4). For example if someone needs to present how cr@py stories UBI writes they will glorify H4 and then few pages later they will tear H4 apart over Infernopolis. People here are inconsistent in everything except for bashing anything UBI does
I definitely agree some here people are inconsistent in everything, including you yourself who were spamming the Shadow Council blind and seemed ready to murder the developers as recently as last month, only to now turn around once again and stick up for the game like never before lol
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted September 14, 2015 02:02 AM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Instead it goes like this: Why is UBI recreating Axeoth campaign in HVII, they should make it for HIV because HVII is complete cr@p and I would rather play Infernopolis.
Both sides have comments like this...
dark-whisperer said:
Why battle? Because if its not direct copy then that feature becames something people compare it against. Any variation is battle. And people here loooooove to find a way to hate a feature.
I don't see every variation as battle. If you insert completely new skill system, that is a battle. But if you improve a good existing one, there is no need for battle.
How I see things: H6 introduced many changes for the sake of changes, without too much thinking. H7 continues from H6, and looks like a game that H6 should have been, and many changes from H6 remained in H7. I feel that devs are just ignoring previous games, which is sad...
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 05:39 AM |
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Kayna said:
Why support the game? If we all stop buying HoMM products, they'll sell the franchise to another software company, and they'll do a better job than Ubisuck.
and who is going to want it lol?
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Kayna
Supreme Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 06:21 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
Kayna said:
Why support the game? If we all stop buying HoMM products, they'll sell the franchise to another software company, and they'll do a better job than Ubisuck.
and who is going to want it lol?
12 guys in a garage would produce better results than Ubisuck anyways.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 06:53 AM |
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Kayna said:
GenyaArikado said:
Kayna said:
Why support the game? If we all stop buying HoMM products, they'll sell the franchise to another software company, and they'll do a better job than Ubisuck.
and who is going to want it lol?
12 guys in a garage would produce better results than Ubisuck anyways.
sure, keep telling that to yourself.
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 14, 2015 07:29 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
Kayna said:
Why support the game? If we all stop buying HoMM products, they'll sell the franchise to another software company, and they'll do a better job than Ubisuck.
and who is going to want it lol?
On the other hand what's the point in continuing the series if it means getting more games like mmh6/7? I mean if they can't make games as good as before what's the real reason to play them? Only thing these games seem to have over old ones is graphics, in terms of game-play and replayability they are far inferior(and IMO these should be the main focus rather than graphics...)
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 14, 2015 08:40 AM |
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I'm with TD and the others on this, buying the game just "to support the franchise" is, at this point, likely to do more harm than good. I did pre-order H6 for pretty much that reason - I was a fan of the series and figured I would buy the game no matter what - but after H6 and seeing how they almost completely ignored (or failed to understand) our criticism and feedback after that game and in H7 have repeated way too many of the same mistakes that game had, I think we've reached the point where we need to send the message that we no longer support this development direction.
I do agree that it's naïve the believe that a small independant group of developers would be able to find the budget to make a better game, but while I have little love for Ubisoft's general management of the franchise I don't see any problem with the franchise staying with Ubisoft, as long as a completely new lead design team is introduced. But it needs to be a team who both understand the roots and soul of the franchise, and a team who's willing to make the necessary changes to the way the game relates to the lore (which can mean a new universe, or not).
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted September 14, 2015 09:04 AM |
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I think ubisoft is the problem. I don't mind the setting or the stories (H6 stories were at least interesting at the core) but ubisoft just doesn't get this type of game. Ubisoft is good at milking big-budget casual mainstream console games that no-one really wants but gets caught in the hype anyway. Heroes is kinda the opposite of that: A niche pc-franchise not fit for bombastic maketing or mainstream appeal. I don't think ubi even knows what "niche" means and they most certainly will market it to everyone they can while staying in budget. They Should be doing a dark souls by marketing very selectively and keeping the budget low through good focus. Things Ubi simply don't understand the concepts off.
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