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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted September 22, 2014 04:04 PM |
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please try to relax a bit Chris. It's not you they hate, they just don't like the fury line-up.
If your preference is a sylvan without bladedancer, or deer or two potentially similar woodspirits, then voting against a line-up that brings these things is the same as voting for your preference.
Say you (for some strange reason) don't like old staples and definitely don't want to see that sassy unicorn return. Initially you of course vote for your favourite line-up. However, when that line-up has no chance of winning and changing your vote means you can keep the unicorn out, then voting against strength is voting for your preference (no unicorn).
Please keep in mind that when choosing between 3 options, switching to your 2nd best option is the same as preventing the 3rd option, which you think is the worst, from winning. Why call it different than it is?
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 22, 2014 04:17 PM |
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Galaad said:
ChrisD1,
I do not vote against Fury, I vote for what I think is best for the franchise, on top of my personal preference. Fury being the most distant alternative regarding Heroes of Might and Magic's original lore and history -values which imo has to be respected- it is my very last choice. This is not a hate comment, please stop accusing me like that, it is pure defamation.
All the best, Galaad
Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas Enroth anymore..
Where was the snake and the armoured elf running back and forth in the battlefield(!!!) in Might and Magic's original lore and history???????
You can think anything you want and have your preference as I said.
Also ,i have said before, that you don't have to be patronizing me making me the bad guy and you the helpless victim being assaulted.
It's another thing having preference priorities and another thing to prioritize sabotaging someone else's choice.
Now that's something to accuse.
Anyone who is doing this (not especially you, and the "you" in my previous comment was a figure of speech) is acting like a spoiled kid!
"If my toy is not winning then the other toy won't win too!"
Great mature logic!
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 22, 2014 04:22 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 16:25, 22 Sep 2014.
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Steyn said:
Please keep in mind that when choosing between 3 options, switching to your 2nd best option is the same as preventing the 3rd option, which you think is the worst, from winning. Why call it different than it is?
Read my previous post please. Of course in the end the vote will be changed and fury will lose but don't prioritize fury's loss but YOUR PREFERENCE. Even if you are mature enough to prioritize sabotaging, then keep it to yourself because some people here chose what you want to destroy and it's disheartening seeing those comments.
It's another thing debating pros and cons of line ups defending your choice against some other choice and another STATING that what i said above.
it's the intention that goes beyond my logic not the result!
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted September 22, 2014 04:46 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
You can think anything you want and have your preference as I said.
Also ,i have said before, that you don't have to be patronizing me making me the bad guy and you the helpless victim being assaulted.
It's another thing having preference priorities and another thing to prioritize sabotaging someone else's choice.
Now that's something to accuse.
Anyone who is doing this (not especially you, and the "you" in my previous comment was a figure of speech) is acting like a spoiled kid!
"If my toy is not winning then the other toy won't win too!"
Great mature logic!
Yet you are the one who keeps picking on those who prefer strength and balance over fury. You have made several similar posts about how you can't get over the fact someone just thinks fury is the least attractive option.
I will change my vote from strength to balance too on the last day of poll if I see fury is still leading because balance is just the lesser of the two evils.
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 22, 2014 04:47 PM |
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Edited by TD at 16:56, 22 Sep 2014.
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ChrisD1 said:
And if you truly consider history a much more consistent argument i have news for you! Inferno's emblem is "ouroboros"!
Do you know what it means? I have replied to you to the ubiforum too.
Yeah that's right. A SNAKE eating its own tail!!!
As iconic is the unicorn to sylvan,then as anti-iconic is the snake to Sylvan and everything points that way.
I'm not here looking for a fight, but I do want to point out few things:
Ouroboros isn't just a snake, it's also a dragon depending where you read about it. It represents re-newing oneself as it can't eat itself as it grows at same speed re-growing to replace what's lost basically. At the same time it represent eternity, well you can actually find lots of things it represents in some way.
Snake on sylvan isn't a real-snake. It's a root-snake so something of a mix of plant and animal I suppose. I don't really see it as problem being part of sylvan, but I do understand your view and those who view it as something that should be with dungeon. The way they explained it was that it's part of nature so it's not illogical especially considering elves keep them as pets. What they said at the end of the description is evil-ish, but same could be said about wolves in nature when they attack travelers. It's just their nature and animals live by their instincts.
And what you said about hoping that people would vote for something rather than against, I totally agree with you. Recently a lot of shouting has been on the forums stating vote against x and unite with y from balance and fury-fans(for quite a while actually). This is partly what I meant in my original message saying that this vote is creating bad blood in the community.
I completely understand when somebody says x has this and that to offer as it doesn't offend other choices, but when they start adding insults/disinformation about themselves or other choices it really annoys me(for example that dragons fly when it has been confirmed they don't or blade dancers are/look xxx even though pictures state clearly that they are not of heroes 7, well you get the idea). It should be enough to tell what you have to offer rather than bashing other options. This doesn't mean you can't counter-argument as long as you can back the claims. That's where once again people are most often just shouting whatever comes to mind with no regard to given info sadly
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted September 22, 2014 04:49 PM |
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So I cannot switch to fury because I prefer not to have a phoenix in sylvan? That's absurd, as it's the same as voting fury because it does not contain snakes.
The choice for line-up is not only influenced by which creatures and playstyle you like, but also by which you don't like.
The only thing that I really don't like is people who vote for a line-up to screw up sylvan, just because their beloved fortress did not win the faction election. That's what I consider 'if my toy doesn't win, the other also won't.'
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 22, 2014 04:56 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 16:59, 22 Sep 2014.
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Steyn said:
So I cannot switch to fury because I prefer not to have a phoenix in sylvan? That's absurd, as it's the same as voting fury because it does not contain snakes.
The choice for line-up is not only influenced by which creatures and playstyle you like, but also by which you don't like.
The only thing that I really don't like is people who vote for a line-up to screw up sylvan, just because their beloved fortress did not win the faction election. That's what I consider 'if my toy doesn't win, the other also won't.'
for a billionth time you can do whatever you want with your votes but do it for your second best not against your first worst. this way you show that you don't care who wins as long as someone else does not. this is mean and immature. and although votes will be changed lets pretend they are changed for the second best and not to sabotage smth else, because it's really frustrating to people voting that something else, whether it's fury, strength or balance.
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 22, 2014 04:57 PM |
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Galaad said:
TD : I didn't say what you quoted, ChristD1 did, please edit !
Sorry, my bad. It's fixed now.
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted September 22, 2014 05:01 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
for a billionth time you can do whatever you want with your votes but do it for your second best not aginst your first worst. this way you show that you don't care who wins as long as someone else does not. this is mean and immature. and although votes will be changed lets pretend they are changed for the second best and not to sabotage smth else, because it's really frustrating to people voting that something else, either it's fury, strength or balance.
You are being a little paranoid here. No one is sabotaging anything. Isn't it logical for Fury to be my first worst if Strength is my favorite and balance my second favorite?
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 22, 2014 05:02 PM |
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ChrisD1 you should go for a walk or something, you are just bashing anyone who dares to dislike Fury, and that doesn't help at all.
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted September 22, 2014 05:06 PM |
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for a billionth time, there is no reason to vote for your second best except to prevent your worst from winning.
YOU may think it is immature and cheating to do so, but it is a fully legitimate and logical thing to do. To me it just feels like you are trying to shame the people who do change their vote into not doing it, which is something I don't like.
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted September 22, 2014 05:11 PM |
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Steyn said:
for a billionth time, there is no reason to vote for your second best except to prevent your worst from winning.
YOU may think it is immature and cheating to do so, but it is a fully legitimate and logical thing to do. To me it just feels like you are trying to shame the people who do change their vote into not doing it, which is something I don't like.
Exactly. If you want to blame anyone then blame devs for giving us an option to change our vote. I see no reason not to use it.
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 22, 2014 05:12 PM |
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I mean that when you like Option A, 2nd option C and hate option B that you don't go shouting vote for C so B will lose, we hate the damn XXX if your option A isn't winning.
While it is same to you that you vote for the C regardless at that point, it's attacking against B rather then actually supporting the C for others. I hope you understood what I meant, I know it can be hard the follow what I'm getting at. The point is that you don't shout against B, but rather for C at that point if your option is goner in your mind.
I hope this made some sense
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 22, 2014 05:15 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 17:23, 22 Sep 2014.
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Storm-Giant said:
ChrisD1 you should go for a walk or something, you are just bashing anyone who dares to dislike Fury, and that doesn't help at all.
So you decide to disregard what i have written and instead of proving me your point, why do you think I bash people, you just go trolling.
And as Galaad said this is defamation!
I said you can debate against anything. But making your priority to sabotage fury/strength/balance by voting for something else JUST FOR A CERTAIN LINE UP TO LOSE (whichever that line up is) is wrong and mean. And it is not of good spirit for your fellow members.
In the end the votes will be changed but for the sake of THE SECOND BEST. This will result in a line-up being the worst and being voted against, but the priority will be something of good will. Seeing smth you want to see the most. Good will.That's what I am talking about!
Change your votes all you want,but do it FIRST for the things you WANT to see and like. Don't be ill-willed.
Maybe you need a walk.
@Steyn
all i'm saying is the will of each person and how much more sense it makes to vote for balance when strength is losing ,because you share a big chunk of the line up, and you like it second, than voting for balance because fury is going to win(or not).
this way it seems that when you STATE "i'm voting for balance in order for fury to lose", you don't care about balance at all. you just want fury to lose.
the difference here dear people ,who you are ganging up on me now, is the will behind some actions and stating it here, than actually taking those actions. you are free to do what you want and why you want it.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 22, 2014 05:16 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
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So you decide to disregard what i have written and instead of proving me your point, why do you think I bash people, you just go trolling.
And as Galaad said this is defamation!
Please don't quote me while being so confused.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted September 22, 2014 05:17 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 17:20, 22 Sep 2014.
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guys, lets just meet in middle ground the strenght. i m really tired of this balance vs fury thing, we should make everyone happy instead of making %30-40. this is true for both balance and fury. if we all choose strenght, everyone will be happy more or less.
we should be making suggestions and writing lore-game abilities to inspire and help developers instead of saying same arguements about slyvan election.
this is our best chance to show the world that fanbase can really help to create perfect games. no developers made a site like this.
lets just be a good example and do acctually usefull things, and instead of seperating and hating, we should be connecting to each other even stronger then before.
for example: i ve wrote about swordbearers for example but noone even speculated on my post. this alone even shows how much we are distracted by election.
thanks to this HC and shadow council, we have this chance.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 22, 2014 05:19 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
So you decide to disregard what i have written and instead of proving me your point, why do you think I bash people, you just go trolling.
And as Galaad said this is defamation!
oh my god, take it easy, don't burst a blood vessel lol
it's not like the game is even guaranteed to be any good whether your preferred lineup wins or not
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 22, 2014 05:20 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 17:24, 22 Sep 2014.
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cleglaw said:
guys, lets just meet in middle ground the strenght. i m really tired of this balance vs fury thing, we should make everyoen happy instead of making %30-40. this is true for both balance and fury. if we all choose strenght, everyone will be happy more or less.
we should be making suggestions and writing lore-game abilities to inspire and help developers instead of saying same arguements about slyvan election.
this is our best chance to show the world that fanbase can really help to create perfect games. no developers made a site like this.
lets just be a good example and do acctually usefull things, and instead of seperating and hating, we should be connecting to each other even stronger then before.
thanks to this HC and shadow council, we have this chance.
made a thread for it
@Verriker : I just love your optimism 
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted September 22, 2014 05:24 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 17:28, 22 Sep 2014.
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cleglaw said:
guys, lets just meet in middle ground the strenght. i m really tired of this balance vs fury thing, we should make everyoen happy instead of making %30-40. this is true for both balance and fury. if we all choose strenght, everyone will be happy more or less.
we should be making suggestions and writing lore-game abilities to inspire and help developers instead of saying same arguements about slyvan election.
this is our best chance to show the world that fanbase can really help to create perfect games. no developers made a site like this.
lets just be a good example and do acctually usefull things, and instead of seperating and hating, we should be connecting to each other even stronger then before.
thanks to this HC and shadow council, we have this chance.
You forget that some people don't agree with the strength line up or want it. Some people voted for THAT lineup not some mix between the lines ups, if they did this the whole voting will lose its meaning. There should be no compromise or whatever. Honestly I say everyone should just relax all line ups are valid they fit the faction itself. I mean its a public vote its expected that only one of them will win.
We got three more days the outcome is not decided yet no matter what happens you have to accept that your line up may potentially lose. Hell I had to accept dwarves losing in the first few days since slyvan was so far ahead.
Did I rage or scream that people were cheating? No and I also did not belittle someone voting slyvan. I think EVERYONE should accept that ubisoft gave us gamers the opportunity to decide major parts of the game and I thank them for that.
No matter if my favored poll loses all this hate is unnecessary we should enjoy that the developers are working on and improving the game from the last one.
Plus everyone who WANTED sylvan should be glad by the fact that they have a shot within the game. Its not even confirmed that inferno, dungeon(depending on who loses on the next poll) and fortress is going to be in an expansion since that all depends on the games sales.
Still win or lose no matter what I will aim to enjoy the game and what it has to offer me even if the things I wanted in the game was not put in.
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted September 22, 2014 05:34 PM |
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lokdron said:
I think EVERYONE should accept that ubisoft gave us gamers the opportunity to decide major parts of the game and I thank them for that.
Well, thank you for showing some positivity. 
It's nice to see a post that isn't accusing us of being responsible for World War III or whatever 
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