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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 02, 2016 03:42 PM |
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SoilBurn said:
But all of those are side-scrolling platform games, not strategy games. In the various strategy genres (real-time, turn-based) 3D is pretty much the standard now (you will always find exceptions, but I'm looking at the big picture).
What you said is 2d renders are outdated and I wanted to show they aren't, whether them being used in strategy games or not is besides the point since we were talking about immersion, therefore I see no reason why it couldn't be used in strategy games. The "big picture" is companies are not necessarily on the right path for this genre because there is some consensus between them.
Ps. The screens you posted are much better than what we got in h7 don't you agree?
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SoilBurn
Known Hero
BurnsSoil
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posted September 02, 2016 03:55 PM |
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Edited by SoilBurn at 15:59, 02 Sep 2016.
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Galaad said:
What you said is 2d renders are outdated and I wanted to show they aren't
Misunderstanding then. I did not mean 2d renders in general, only that the H3 town screens that we were discussing about look outdated. Of course you can do wonderful 2D renders for the right types of games, and the screens you posted are some fantastic examples thereof (even Ubisoft released a very nice side-scrolling 2D platformer recently). I just don't think 2D is the best choice for strategy games. There I would rather have 3D, battles feel much more dynamic in 3D.
Galaad said:
Ps. The screens you posted are much better than what we got in h7 don't you agree?
No, I don't. I like them both for the same reason. Art is art, I will never say one is "better" than the other. Yes, you can like some artwork more than other artwork, but in this case I think both the examples I posted and (most of) the H7 town screens evoke similar feelings (to me personally).
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 02, 2016 04:07 PM |
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Well I think the complete opposite, and I've already explained why a few pages back in this very thread and in other topics too, I consider 3d to be perfect for RPGs like-Witcher games, for TBS, please give me solid arguments instead of personal preference or I can't take your POV seriously.
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted September 02, 2016 05:13 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
That is the exact definition of over-analyzing amd nit-picking.
no, that is the very basics of into to art theory 101.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 02, 2016 06:06 PM |
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Galaad said:
That is just bad faith, you know very well, the biggest grip most here have with the game are the mechanics and game design and it has been asserted by many members many times. But when those posts are written, coincidentally you're never around.
Could it be that you like to flame HC? 
Not you or maurice got my point about the state of the game. I said that given the state of the game (and the fact nothing will change) what's left to talk about is the townscreens,so maurice's over-analyzed view was actually the logical thing to do now here.
And once again you both prove that this is a forum made by you for you,exclusively. Anyone else remotely liking any part of the game is a flamer now. A "one post per month" flamer.
Also i get extremely bored at work, so at times i feel like posting here although I'm clearly unwelcome. Great job guys.
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SoilBurn
Known Hero
BurnsSoil
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posted September 02, 2016 06:16 PM |
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Edited by SoilBurn at 18:18, 02 Sep 2016.
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Galaad said:
Well I think the complete opposite, and I've already explained why a few pages back in this very thread and in other topics too, I consider 3d to be perfect for RPGs like-Witcher games, for TBS, please give me solid arguments instead of personal preference or I can't take your POV seriously.
That's fine with me. And, although I do not see how your arguments are any more "solid" than mine, I still take your point of view seriously.
ChrisD1 said:
everything he said
I feel very similar and I raised the same point recently.
I like H7 and want to be able to talk about it without getting bashed for voicing my opinion, the same way I would always respect people who have different opinions.
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted September 02, 2016 06:24 PM |
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 02, 2016 06:35 PM |
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Oh please stop playing victims, no one is bashing you guys or want to make you feel unwelcome, but Chris you imply "this forum really don't think of what matters" out of nowhere (what can't we talk about townscreens, Soilburn here started the subject, he's not part of "hc police" is he?) then cry and point fingers to the people who politely replied, and Soilburn well if you consider readability and speed aren't sound and don't even try to explain what are the benefits of 3d for strategy game I'm afraid dialogue is not possible between us. Thanks for keeping cool though.
It is not because your opinions aren't popular (h7 is rated even worse than h6) that you aren't welcome to contribute here.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted September 02, 2016 07:02 PM |
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Careful guys, we're sliding towards thin ice again here.
No one is unwelcome or undesired. Point in case: Antalyan is very much pro-H7, yet he's respected for his opinion and I've even given him a QP for a H7 post he made recently. Despite his failure to see the utter crap of H7  (just kidding, Antalyan ), the way he words his posts and contributes here is received positively by most of the regulars here.
And that's basically the one thing that's needed: talk about content and word it in unprovoking ways.
I've noticed that posters here who are critics of the game tend to point out flaws and shortcomings up to and including ridiculing people like Erwan (being the figurehead of UbiSoft with respect to the game), while people who like the game and disagree with the flaws and shortcomings being pointed out tend to get personal with the critics of the game. That's where the line is crossed and mods eventually are forced to intervene, reprimanding people (on both sides of the fence) and deleting/editing posts to quench the fire before it reaches the barrel of gunpowder.
In respect to the issue raised by ChrisD1: when you criticized one of my questions to SoilBurn, the latter posted an opinion about the Town Screens. All I did was ask what he felt/thought about some of the issues with those as I saw them (not mentioning anything in relation to other Heroes games, I was strictly talking about Heroes 7 here) - and a few posts later you say you're feeling unwelcome when I point out that I'm not going to write an essay about all the issues plagueing the game, while I just want to know what SoilBurn thinks about the perspective issues in the Town Screens? I'd say we're stretching things here a little bit too much.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 02, 2016 08:41 PM |
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bear in mind, as yogi pointed out, that there is a (currently dead lol) Positive Feedback and Discussion Thread set up for users to discuss only positive aspects of the game, without having your viewpoints challenged lol
even though having one's viewpoint challenged is the purpose of discussion forums, and positive vs negative is a very reductive and tribal mindset anyway IMO, that thread was set up, as there was incessant whining from certain users who felt that HC has received the game too negatively overall, and are offended or upset by the criticism of that game and devs lol
I have even voluntarily banned myself from that thread out of courtesy to those users, not because I have nothing positive to say, but because those users and the devs have an emotional response to me and stigmatize me as a troll,
so my self removal from that discussion is a sincere olive branch that we are an accommodating, open-minded community, and to prove that there is no conspiracy against fans of Heroes 7 at HC, even if that would be a convenient scapegoat for the devs lol
there is no Negative Discussion Thread for people with a broadly negative view of the game to go and have a "groupthink" or a "circlejerk", as some would put it, so you really can't come in and moan that you are being persecuted or bashed for your opinion, when you have the privilege of an exclusive thread biased in your favour as well as the whole rest of the forum to share your ideas freely lol
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SoilBurn
Known Hero
BurnsSoil
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posted September 02, 2016 09:40 PM |
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Edited by SoilBurn at 21:48, 02 Sep 2016.
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Maurice said:
All I did was ask what he felt/thought about some of the issues with those as I saw them (not mentioning anything in relation to other Heroes games, I was strictly talking about Heroes 7 here)
And you did it in a very nice way (contrary to certain others), so I gladly obliged and explained my viewpoint 
But there is no chance that I will feed the trolls. If people feel like being provocative just because they don't like my opinion, that makes only them look bad.
Maurice said:
No one is unwelcome or undesired. Point in case: Antalyan is very much pro-H7, yet he's respected for his opinion and I've even given him a QP for a H7 post he made recently.
I hope you are not being serious Maurice. I am following this thread since very long and I know very well how much bullying Antalyan received when he started posting here. Since then he has toned down his positive comments on the game considerably, especially on this forum. One of the reasons I started posting again is actually that I felt sorry for him.
yogi said:
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=42367
*shrugs
Is that the quarantine thread for afflicted people like me?
Maybe then we should rename the rest of the forum into "Heroes 7 Hate forum"
EDIT:
@Datapack: Thanks for confirming my point!
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted September 02, 2016 09:47 PM |
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SoilBurn said:
Maybe then we should rename the rest of the forum into "Heroes 7 is a bad video game forum"
Fix'd 
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted September 02, 2016 10:02 PM |
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SoilBurn said:
yogi said:
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=42367
*shrugs
Is that the quarantine thread for afflicted people like me?
Maybe then we should rename the rest of the forum into "Heroes 7 Hate forum"
No, the Heroes Community is generally comprised of people who grew up playing Heroes of Might and Magic, and are dissatisfied with the (mis)direction that ubi has taken the franchise. Anyone is free to create a Might&Magic:Heroes forum. As I pointed out there is already a thread here for solely positive sentiments regarding Heroes VII; as well are there plenty of threads displaying solely negatively sentiments. This thread is the battle zone.  Nobody drafted you Personally I find the friction enlightening   
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted September 02, 2016 10:27 PM |
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If you find friction enlightening than you should have a look at the old archived H7 blog, you will reach Nirvana.
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SoilBurn
Known Hero
BurnsSoil
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posted September 02, 2016 11:26 PM |
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Edited by SoilBurn at 23:27, 02 Sep 2016.
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yogi said:
No, the Heroes Community is generally comprised of people who grew up playing Heroes of Might and Magic, and are dissatisfied with the (mis)direction that ubi has taken the franchise.
This thread is the battle zone. Nobody drafted you
Thanks for this. I rest my case, I can't put it in any better words myself.
I wish everyone a great weekend, I have to finish the (fantastic so far) H7 Necro campaign now. Broken Staff shenanigans incoming.
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted September 02, 2016 11:33 PM |
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Antalyan said:
Do you guys remember the placeholder pop-up non-interactive town window they originally had in H6? If it wasn't for HC fan rage this is what you would have had instead of the above:
What I look for in a town screen in matter of importance is:
- Functionality
- Visual display of progress
- Mood
In this regard H7 town screens might be the best of the Ubi games. H5 ones were the worst in the whole series in my opinion. Completely worthless. Don't get me wrong, H5 Haven town with music is wonderful at setting the mood, but not practical for the purpose of the game. 99% of the time you will be in the build tree and not looking at the screen, making it pointless IMO.
I want to enter a town and immediately see what has been built. To click the buildings and interact with them. See my town expand and grow as I upgrade it. It's good if it can set the mood, but a heroes game last for hours, and for the majority of the game you will enter your town for only a few seconds to build a structure, hire creatures or enter with a hero. That's why functionality is so important. H5 screens were not very functional and did not give good visual representation of the progress with the fly-by camera. H6 screens required way too many clicks, so I think H7 ones beat the other two. My favorite are the H3 screens, even though the originals lacked a "buy all" button.
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted September 02, 2016 11:51 PM |
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Edited by yogi at 23:53, 02 Sep 2016.
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SoilBurn said:
yogi said:
No, the Heroes Community is generally comprised of people who grew up playing Heroes of Might and Magic, and are dissatisfied with the (mis)direction that ubi has taken the franchise.
This thread is the battle zone. Nobody drafted you
Thanks for this. I rest my case, I can't put it in any better words myself.
 zing. got me for -1 hp.
selective reading?
yogi said:
Anyone is free to create a Might&Magic:Heroes forum. As I pointed out there is already a thread here for solely positive sentiments regarding Heroes VII; as well are there plenty of threads displaying solely negatively sentiments. This thread is the battle zone. Nobody drafted you Personally I find the friction enlightening
have a good weekend
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
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posted September 03, 2016 04:25 AM |
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Can't we just close this thread? It was entertaining for a while, but it devolved into the most toxic, vilest thread I encountered in my 5ish years here.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted September 03, 2016 09:33 AM |
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The only thing that Ubi and Limbic did successfully with H7 is dividing the community. Everything else is just one big fail.
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"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted September 03, 2016 09:57 AM |
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That's their point. They want to ostricize HC and other fansite members and give them the tag of ungrateful and hateful people with who you can't reason with.
So far it works, it shows that we truly are a hermetic bunch that can't appreciate a good game when we see one...
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
