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AlexSpl
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posted September 02, 2016 01:25 AM |
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I wonder why do you care about H7 so much, there are plenty of games waiting you in.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 02, 2016 01:32 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 01:37, 02 Sep 2016.
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Momo said:
For instance: I think the HOMM6 townscreen for Dungeon was apparently more beautiful and lush than the HOMM3 one, but the HOMM3 one was full of spirit and uniqueness the HOMM6 one lacks.
You might be interested by this mod. 
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I wonder why do you care about H7 so much, there are plenty of games waiting you in.
I play the excellent other games that are out, but I care about Heroes because is been years I've been waiting for a sequel I can enjoy and it doesn't come... Last one was h5 and I hate the art (less than the one we have now though).
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Momo
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Famous Hero
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posted September 02, 2016 01:37 AM |
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Galaad said:
Momo said:
For instance: I think the HOMM6 townscreen for Dungeon was apparently more beautiful and lush than the HOMM3 one, but the HOMM3 one was full of spirit and uniqueness the HOMM6 one lacks.
You might be interested by this mod.
Yep, exactly my point. It's nice to look at alright, but in the end it is a generic fantasy drawing with twisted buildings and a purple hue slammed on virtually everything that could ever have a hue. The HOMM3 one had more personality and character.
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted September 02, 2016 01:40 AM |
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Edited by yogi at 01:42, 02 Sep 2016.
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OxFEA said:
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The town screen definitely needs more purple
Sorry, I need to change game studio to fix this =(
lmao
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 02, 2016 01:49 AM |
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Momo said:
cheers mate, however just to clarify even if you were consciously on my case taking things in a bad light or asking me to explain myself, I don't take that personally at all, I enjoy to explain, merely pointing out that you have freedom to pick my brain, and I have freedom to pick others lol
however please note just for the record, that I didn't bring any of that you mention into this discussion, I didn't even express a preference whatsoever,
all I did, because I am mildly curious, was ask in passing how he comes to the conclusion that H3 townscreens are particularly retro or out of date from a style perspective, when they are pretty much just photorealistic renders, and also I made a sidenote that there are objective issues with the perspective and composition of the H7 pieces, which is simple fact (check through the town screen thread there are more qualified individuals who made diagrams to illustrate the errors) lol
I am really not saying or even implying a single one of the things you said, or all the teh best and devil incarnate stuff SoilBurn seems to somehow interpret that I said, for me it's a completely moot and neutral point if you love or hate the H7 townscreens because we're not getting another Heroes game anyway which fan preferences could influence, so why would I care, or try to upset anyone over something so pointless lol
as for Michaelangelo and stick figures, that is merely an extreme example, to illustrate that any qualitative consensus on his taste is irrelevant to my position, even if the whole world would agree H3 townscreens are better than H7 or vice versa, I wouldn't care, it's not relevant to my actions and my question lol
interesting thing, how people will read all sorts of things into what you say in a discussion, based on preconceptions lol
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posted September 02, 2016 02:24 AM |
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Edited by Momo at 02:24, 02 Sep 2016.
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verriker said:
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No, you didn't explicitly saying that HOMM3 screens were superior, but you were clearly on that side of the fence (and it's a pretty clearly enstabilished fence). Asking him to demonstrate how the HOMM3 screens aren't "modern" is a way to say they are, which once again is pretty much an indirect way to point out that HOMM7 screens have little going in their favor, not even the looks of something more new and modern which should be the bare minimum.
And incidentally, I agree and disagree with him on some basis, I think the HOMM3 screens have a sort of retro look to them. They still are, generallt speaking, more conceptually and aesthethically appealing that much of the stuff that came later, despite that.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted September 02, 2016 07:42 AM |
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Edited by Antalyan at 07:43, 02 Sep 2016.
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Momo
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 02, 2016 08:03 AM |
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See, most is subjective.
First off, I think the 3d screens of HOMM5 definitely SHOULD be compared, because in the end what are the HOMM3 townscreens if not rendered 3d pics?
Second, I liked the idea for Sanctuary in HOMM6, but the idea of a whole town covered in a azure hue sounds absurd to me. Kinda like the problem with all of HOMM6, even if Dungeon was the worst on that account.
Third, I think the HOMM5 screen for Haven trumps the HOMM6 and HOMM7 ones, and is possibly better than the HOMM3 one. the sixth and seventh were quite ugly in my taste.
See? How much our tastes may differ.
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lordgraa
Promising
Famous Hero
The Whisperer
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posted September 02, 2016 09:35 AM |
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This:
With the opera soundtrack ofcourse 
I would like to see Sanctuary ported back into Heroes II with Karin Mushegain singing some Asia themed song
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted September 02, 2016 09:45 AM |
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lordgraa said:
With the opera soundtrack ofcourse
100% agree with this! 
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted September 02, 2016 10:35 AM |
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lordgraa said:
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Thanks for posting Heroes awesome screens regularly in this thread, so there is a reason to browse it. 
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted September 02, 2016 10:45 AM |
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SoilBurn said:
And if you are looking for anything resembling a "painting", then you should actually like the H7 towns..
I'm not going to make comparisons to any other town screens, but what's your take on the perspective issues that just about all H7 Town Screens have? Even Fortress has it: just look at the building in the lower right with the lava (?) pool next to it. The angle at which that building is displayed is rather different from the angle used to display the large wall in front of it as well as the buildings behind it.
Perspective issues (lines that should be running parallel but aren't, size differences between foreground and background components and viewing angle differences) plague all of them. Fortress even has another perspective issue as the background seems to tilt inwards from either side towards the center of the image, moreso than the foreground would imply.
Aside from that, they feel stale, as they don't have houses and the like for the regular population of a town, essentially turning them into military outposts.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 02, 2016 11:31 AM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 11:32, 02 Sep 2016.
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Maurice said:
I'm not going to make comparisons to any other town screens, but what's your take on the perspective issues that just about all H7 Town Screens have? Even Fortress has it: just look at the building in the lower right with the lava (?) pool next to it. The angle at which that building is displayed is rather different from the angle used to display the large wall in front of it as well as the buildings behind it.
Perspective issues (lines that should be running parallel but aren't, size differences between foreground and background components and viewing angle differences) plague all of them. Fortress even has another perspective issue as the background seems to tilt inwards from either side towards the center of the image, moreso than the foreground would imply.
Aside from that, they feel stale, as they don't have houses and the like for the regular population of a town, essentially turning them into military outposts.
That is the exact definition of over-analyzing amd nit-picking. Mostly for the sake of it. But i understand that the game is in horrible condition and the townscreens are the one of the few things this community can talk about more actively.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted September 02, 2016 11:53 AM |
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That cannot be definition of anything. It could only be an example of something. Also, it could only be example of rather simple analysis, because things that Maurice mentioned are very easy to notice.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 02, 2016 11:54 AM |
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ChrisD1 said:
That is the exact definition of over-analyzing amd nit-picking.
You're right, I might correct for you, h7 townscreens are just plain ugly. There, no analysis, better?
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 02, 2016 12:32 PM |
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Galaad said:
You're right, I might correct for you, h7 townscreens are just plain ugly. There, no analysis, better?
Your face is ugly!(kidding!)
But yes that's better because analyzing the details of a townscreen is kind... Anyways it's better. I don't agree they are ugly but an explanation like that is more preferable. Now call the rest of the pack off, I didn't mean to disturb the way of things here. Besides i wrote that with the state of the game,the townscreens are the logical thing to talk about.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted September 02, 2016 12:34 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
That is the exact definition of over-analyzing amd nit-picking. Mostly for the sake of it. But i understand that the game is in horrible condition and the townscreens are the one of the few things this community can talk about more actively.
I just asked another member about some aspects of the townscreens in question, since he mentioned how he considered them akin to paintings he would like to put up on the walls.
You can't expect me to give a full dissertation about all the problems of the game each time I am trying to comment on one particular one, now can you?
I realise full well that there is a myriad of problems plagueing the game, but most are moot to discuss because they're either beyond our technical abilities (as they require changes to the game code that we have no access to), have been discussed ad infinitum already (like faction lineups) or simply have fallen on deaf ears for about two years now (like the Magic system) - or a combination of those three.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 02, 2016 12:40 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Besides i wrote that with the state of the game,the townscreens are the logical thing to talk about.
That is just bad faith, you know very well, the biggest grip most here have with the game are the mechanics and game design and it has been asserted by many members many times. But when those posts are written, coincidentally you're never around.
Could it be that you like to flame HC? 
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SoilBurn
Known Hero
BurnsSoil
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posted September 02, 2016 01:15 PM |
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Edited by SoilBurn at 13:19, 02 Sep 2016.
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Maurice said:
what's your take on the perspective issues that just about all H7 Town Screens have?
...they feel stale, as they don't have houses and the like for the regular population of a town, essentially turning them into military outposts.
Well, those are both things that matter if you are looking for a realistic town depiction. I don't. I just want good art in the fantasy style that I like, and that is very close to the style of H7 town screens. And please don't forget that HoMM is first and foremost a fantasy game, it does not need to be realistic.
To give you further examples from other games, this is what I like visually:
Galaad said:
Ok, Trine 2 is 3d but has a gameplay restricted to a 2d plane (you DON'T rotate the camera), what I want to show here is the pre-rendered 2d art (and 3d tools were used, just like for h3), now if you tell me you don't like it that's fine, but your statement might be invalid on several aspects.
But all of those are side-scrolling platform games, not strategy games. In the various strategy genres (real-time, turn-based) 3D is pretty much the standard now (you will always find exceptions, but I'm looking at the big picture).
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 02, 2016 01:48 PM |
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Momo said:
No, you didn't explicitly saying that HOMM3 screens were superior, but you were clearly on that side of the fence (and it's a pretty clearly enstabilished fence). Asking him to demonstrate how the HOMM3 screens aren't "modern" is a way to say they are, which once again is pretty much an indirect way to point out that HOMM7 screens have little going in their favor, not even the looks of something more new and modern which should be the bare minimum.
And incidentally, I agree and disagree with him on some basis, I think the HOMM3 screens have a sort of retro look to them. They still are, generallt speaking, more conceptually and aesthethically appealing that much of the stuff that came later, despite that.
that I didn't explicitly say it, is end of story, because I simply didn't say that, so anything else is someone reading into what I said lol
one can read into what I say, but we must be careful doing this if we are interested in a decent exchange, because it can end up with completely misinterpreting intention, putting words in the mouth or seeing what one wants to see,
for instance to interpret the question in a very cynical way, start feeling upset/angry over it and thus feel a need to retaliate with insults and straw men, like groupthinker, Erwin is the devil or Heroes 3 is teh best, is not giving us any route to cerebral discussion, it's just inane tribalist nonsense lol
what I would have liked to go into, if given half a chance, was talk about the technical backstory of the H3 and H7 town screens, give some quotes, demonstrate that I don't think H3 are the be-all and end-all best townscreens possible, give some examples of town screens I'd like to see, have a worthwhile discussion, but that's wrecked and out the window with the two comments immediately shutting down a chat in good faith lol
if that superficial, ad hominem discussion is all we want to strive to, then OK, I don't like the H7 town screens and they suck my ass lol
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