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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted October 08, 2014 01:35 PM |
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DoubleDeck said:
On the Dungeon story: who is that talking? Sounds like Vein or someone from the Danse Macabre story (regarding curse on Namtaru's and Vamps)...
You mean Dungeon story from H6? It was Sorshan, Raelag's councillor.
If on the blog, it's Kaspar, again from vanilla H6 and Legacy.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 08, 2014 01:36 PM |
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You see that picture of hero at the start of article? You read maybe similar article about Sylvan and Fortress?
It's Kaspar.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 01:40 PM |
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Avonu said:
Stevie said:
or Sheogh campaign of demons vs demons. 
And how else you can tell story of Kha-Beleth rise to power, where it's stated, that someone "mysterious" attacked all six overlords and they start to accuse one another about it and go to civil war? 
Basically you can tell story about something else, but this one just scream to be told. Besides we need a conclusion of Second Eclipse, when 6 Demon Overlors disappeared and Demon Sovereign appeared.
The Overlords disappeared by the time the First Eclipse came to an end with the demons getting their asses handled to them by the orcs. Kha-Beleth was already ruling when the second Eclipse happened, so you can't have that conclusion.
And as I said countless times before, I can't believe that we'd get a full campaign with Sheogh civil war. That's just poor game design. You really think that Marzhin and the others would write a story where all you do is only beat demons? I don't think so.
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted October 08, 2014 01:45 PM |
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Stevie said:
And as I said countless times before, I can't believe that we'd get a full campaign with Sheogh civil war. That's just poor game design. You really think that Marzhin and the others would write a story where all you do is only beat demons? I don't think so.
Plus who says Kha-Beleth actually used violence to become Sovereign?
But one thing I'm almost 100% sure is that the Inferno campaign won't be the story of Kha-Beleth's ascension.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 08, 2014 01:46 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 13:50, 08 Oct 2014.
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Stevie said:
The Overlords disappeared by the time the First Eclipse came to an end with the demons getting their asses handled to them by the orcs. Kha-Beleth was already ruling when the second Eclipse happened, so you can't have that conclusion.
Overlords disappeared AFTER Second Eclipse, not before it. We still have princes and avatars of them in H6. Kha-Beleth is also "a prince without a throne" during H6 Second Eclipse. He is NoT YET the ruler of Sheogh.
Second Eclipse is not named as "Rise of the Demon Sovereign" for nothing.
Stevie said:
And as I said countless times before, I can't believe that we'd get a full campaign with Sheogh civil war. That's just poor game design. You really think that Marzhin and the others would write a story where all you do is only beat demons? I don't think so.
You underestimate Ubisoft. You can have this kind of story, I just hope we won't.
Marzhin said:
Plus who says Kha-Beleth actually used violence to become Sovereign?
And what I posted about "mysterious" attacks and civil war in Sheogh? Kha-Beleth seems to watch a lot of Starscream Transformers cartoon episodes. 
Marzhin said:
But one thing I'm almost 100% sure is that the Inferno campaign won't be the story of Kha-Beleth's ascension.
It's good to hear that but it's also bad to heard that, as I really want usch story to be told eventually.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 08, 2014 01:52 PM |
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Avonu said:
It's good to hear that but it's also bad to heard that, as I really want usch story to be told eventually.
Single Scenario, Adventure Pack or Expansion mini-campaign, seem good enough ways to tell this story.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 01:52 PM |
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Ashan Compendium, Inferno Book said:
After this defeat [by hands of Orcs during First Eclipse] a civil war erupted in Sheogh. One by one, the Demon Overlords were assaulted in their fiefs. Their fortress were cast down and their guards slaughtered, but no one claimed responsibility. Fearing each other, the Overlords went to war amongst and when the dust settled, none remained standing. A single Sovereign rose to take their place. His origins obscure, his face a mystery, he would only be reffered to as Kha-Beleth...
That's one of your own quotes.
And there, Marzhin told you it won't be Kha-Beleth's ascension. Happy?
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 08, 2014 01:58 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 14:01, 08 Oct 2014.
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Stevie said:
Ashan Compendium, Inferno Book said:
After this defeat [by hands of Orcs during First Eclipse] a civil war erupted in Sheogh. One by one, the Demon Overlords were assaulted in their fiefs. Their fortress were cast down and their guards slaughtered, but no one claimed responsibility. Fearing each other, the Overlords went to war amongst and when the dust settled, none remained standing. A single Sovereign rose to take their place. His origins obscure, his face a mystery, he would only be reffered to as Kha-Beleth...
That's one of your own quotes.
1. Do you played H6 at all? If yes, then play Inferno campaign again and read textes and watch cutscenes.
2. There is no date, when the fights has ended.
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Ashan Compendium said:
564 YSD - Second Eclipse
Rise of the Demon Sovereign
(...)
Oddly enough, in the aftermatch of the conflict, the names of the six Demons Overlords, Urgash's Champions, are heard no more.
A single Sovereign rises to take their place. His origins obscure, his face a mystery, he will only be referred to as Kha-Beleth...
Ubisoft re-use some textfrom time-line in factions description sometimes confusing readers, what has happened and when, as there are sometimes no date at all in factions books.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 08, 2014 02:01 PM |
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Stevie said:
And there, Marzhin told you it won't be Kha-Beleth's ascension. Happy?
Almost 100% certainty is not the same as 100.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 02:06 PM |
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Avonu said:
Ubisoft re-use some textfrom time-line in factions description sometimes confusing readers, what has happened and when, as there are sometimes no date at all in factions books.
Well I'm not a lore nut so.. ok..
Avirosb said:
Almost 100% certainty is not the same as 100.
It's still indicative that most likely than not there won't be a Sheogh civil war Inferno campaign
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted October 08, 2014 03:27 PM |
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Marzhin said:
But one thing I'm almost 100% sure is that the Inferno campaign won't be the story of Kha-Beleth's ascension.
You actually just ruined my whole purpose for voting Inferno  I guess we'll never get that story.
Oh, I have one purpose left. I don't want two elven factions!!! But still, all my hype about Inferno calmed down.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 04:07 PM |
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Avonu said:
Stevie said:
Discover Dungeon
This is a disaster 
Indeed, but not from reasons what Stevie would might think.
This article was long, boring and has lots of unnecessary things mentioned, while still it omints some interesting facts, like IIRC that all Ygg-Chall was once an ancient Faceless city or about Abyss below Ygg-Chall.
You know what was important to me from this article? Mention of grim stalkers, troglodytes, clans info - especially which one is focused on trade, spying, demon worshipping , etc. and who is Dark Elves leader now. And of course words about warfare but to be honest I didn't find there anything new or important, only acknowleagde of some facts - like elite beasts and Faceless (which we already have in H6).
In short: too many details in article and not enough more common lore. Just like in part 4 of 10 years war.
One question althrough - who is she? Tuidhana after she made a pact with Malassa?
I still want at least scenario where you play as Tuidhanna tbh.
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 05:17 PM |
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Aw, Kaspar is starting to rot. Poor guy.
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Arugaf
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 05:18 PM |
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 08, 2014 05:20 PM |
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Arugaf said:
New info. Disco Inferno.
Burn, baby, burn... 
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 08, 2014 05:21 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 17:28, 08 Oct 2014.
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Avirosb said:
Burn, baby, burn...
...Disco Inferno! (it's new Demons theme )
EDIT:
There seems to be nothing new in Inferno article, only more words that suggest, we will get spiky, reddish H6 demons (like Breeders or Tormentors) again.
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Sorts
Known Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 05:28 PM |
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Like expected... that's how Kaspar got his H5 look
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 05:33 PM |
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Avonu said:
EDIT:
There seems to be nothing new in Inferno article, only more words that suggest, we will get spiky, reddish H6 demons (like Breeders or Tormentors) again.
Well, I dunno about Tormentors, but they do speak of Breeders, which I don't think is bad (the concept is cool, just the previous implementation wasn't)
Howe ever, there isn't much "red" in this article (only once) which is more "red" than Dungeon's "Purple". Red will probably be a main color, but it might not be so over-blown (like in H6)
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 08, 2014 05:35 PM |
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Avonu said:
There seems to be nothing new in Inferno article, only more words that suggest, we will get spiky, reddish H6 demons (like Breeders or Tormentors) again.
There that tidbit about how demons maintain their form outside of eclipses. Which boils down to eating vast ammounts of magic.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 05:37 PM |
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Avonu said:
There seems to be nothing new in Inferno article, only more words that suggest, we will get spiky, reddish H6 demons (like Breeders or Tormentors) again.
just like dungeon yesterday.
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