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Avonu
Responsible
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Embracing light and darkness
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posted January 29, 2015 02:57 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 15:05, 29 Jan 2015.
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@War-overlord
Why you call him Sar'Elam? 
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Whereas that is all true, there are some complications.
1. The fact that they stopped fighting does not mean that Sar'Elam stopped helping. After that they need a lotta time to mourn and rebuild. We simply do not know if Sar'Elam did or did not help with that.
2. Same principle applies here with the Falcon Empire. We do not know if Sar'Elam stops being involved the moment Ronan is crowned.
3. We do not know when Sar'Elam took those disciples and when he wrote his books. That could have been before his ascension as well as after.
4. There is a reason I included unrecorden Shenanigans in my previous post. Given how involved he was with Angels, Humans and Faceless, I think there is reason enough to believe that he was equally involved with Dwarves, Elves, Naga and who knows who else.
1. Well, Angels and Faceless were licking their wounds. Angels then had "brilliant" idea which involved: Hall of Memories, Seven Swords and Humans. I don't think they would thought about that, if Sar-Elam would help them.
2. He spoke prophecy about Line of Falcon, that when we heard last of him in Holy Empire until Wars of Fire in 28 YSD.
3. He wrote his Revelations after his ascendion - at least that what seems to be logical.
4. Elves and Dwarves were founding their kingdoms in Irollan and Grimheim. Naga left Shantiri Empire and went underwater some time after Elders Wars started but before Seventh Dragon ascendion. IIRC Eternal Empress is their leader since Shantiri (or even since forever?).
about Dwarves
MMX said:
You're young, {0}, I'm not surprised you don't remember Sudgerd. A mighty fortress it was, yes... Our southernmost settlement, back in the days of the great Shantiri Empire. After the fall of the Empire and the scattering of its citizens, our people remained in the Vantyr mountains, digging for Flamegold and Shadowsteel.@Then a couple of centuries ago, a dark power started to grow in the mountains. Sinister voices and whispers echoed in the ancient mines, driving our people insane. Many killed themselves in gruesome manners. Fearing a curse, my ancestors abandoned the city. Some returned to Grimheim in the north, others chose to remain in the Peninsula until Sudgerd could be claimed again.
about Elves
MMX said:
You might not be aware of it, but a long time ago, the forests of Yon-Chall harboured a large population of Elves... Exiles from the lost Shantiri Empire. Most of them moved north to Irollan since then, and the woods remain dark and silent. But one trace of the former Elven inhabitants remains: in the Elven tongue, Yon-Chall means "the distant home".
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted January 29, 2015 03:00 PM |
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Stevie said:
Ok. Consuming the mixture while alive was a given, was it not?
I thought so, until you started saying Liches consuming Manticore Venom.
And, I don't think it's the mixture that does it. It is the fact that you take the Manticore Venom first, which kills you by consuming you. And then taking Namtaru Venom to stop from actually dying.
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Avonu said:
Why you name him Sar'Elam?
1. Well, Angels and Faceless were licking their wounds. Angels then had "brilliant" idea which involved: Hall of Memories, Seven Swords and Humans. I don't think they would thought about that, if Sar-Elam would help them.
2. He spoke prophecy about Line of Falcon, that when we heard last of him in Holy Empire until Wars of Fire in 28 YSD.
3. He wrote his Revelations after his ascendion - at least that what seems to be logical.
4. Elves and Dwarves were founding their kingdoms in Irollan and Greimheim. Naga left Shantiri Empire and went underwater some time after Elders Wars started but before Seventh Dragon ascendion. IIRC Eternal Empress is their leader since Shantiri (or even since forever?).
Warcraft, Star Wars, Warhammer, other fiction. I keep forgetting that M&M splits a double name with a - as opposed most fictions I read which use a '.
As far as what Sar-Elam does or does not do, the problem here is that nobody (except maybes Erwan and Marzhin) knows. All we can do is guess.
But as far as his writings go, from what you quote, other people call his writings the "Revalations of the Seventh Dragon", if anything, that convinces me that he did not call them such himself. And who knows, they might just be research notes that his followers started using as teaching material.
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 29, 2015 03:07 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Stevie said:
Ok. Consuming the mixture while alive was a given, was it not?
I thought so, until you started saying Liches consuming Manticore Venom.
And, I don't think it's the mixture that does it. It is the fact that you take the Manticore Venom first, which kills you by consuming you. And then taking Namtaru Venom to stop from actually dying.
Oh, no that was just in anticipation on their new state. I didn't meant it as a requirement, because if anything being alive would be one.
Well, we don't know "for sure". It can be that the order of ingestion matters, it can be only having the mixture in your blood counts. They can swing it either way with some "after studying Moander's case and experimenting in controlled conditions" lines.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted January 29, 2015 03:10 PM |
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Stevie said:
Oh, no that was just in anticipation on their new state. I didn't meant it as a requirement, because if anything being alive would be one.
Well, we don't know "for sure". It can be that the order of ingestion matters, it can be only having the mixture in your blood counts. They can swing it either way with some "after studying Moander's case and experimenting in controlled conditions" lines.
Fine.
But don't forget my warning. This may very well be an easy and simple way of getting things done. It's also easily countered.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted January 29, 2015 03:11 PM |
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Don't you find it funny that Liches after all that lore and so much complication to become powerful are weaker then Swordmasters?
Look at amount of lore they have:
Swordmaster
Only the biggest, toughest, most resilient of Landsknechte can become Swordmasters. Trained in the most inhospitable woods and frozen hills of the Wolf Duchy, the fearless Swordmasters are the living swords of Elrath, and the embodiment of the Dragon of Light’s might and ire.
That's it. Still can beat the cr@p out of Lich 
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted January 29, 2015 03:25 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Don't you find it funny that Liches after all that lore and so much complication to become powerful are weaker then Swordmasters? Look at amount of lore they have: Swordmaster
Only the biggest, toughest, most resilient of Landsknechte can become Swordmasters. Trained in the most inhospitable woods and frozen hills of the Wolf Duchy, the fearless Swordmasters are the living swords of Elrath, and the embodiment of the Dragon of Light’s might and ire.
That's it. Still can beat the cr@p out of Lich
Some are simply born with more Divine Favor than others.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted January 29, 2015 03:28 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 15:29, 29 Jan 2015.
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Or maybe someone understood that "less is better". 
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"Details are everything."
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted January 29, 2015 03:29 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Some are simply born with more Divine Favor than others.
Lich must be like:
- What a b@st@rd! 
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted January 29, 2015 03:43 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Lich must be like:
- What a b@st@rd!
Must he? Because in 40 or so years, the Swordmaster is either dead or an old man who can barely stand without a cane.
The Lich is still the same, maybes even more powerfull.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted January 29, 2015 03:51 PM |
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Lich is an old man in a cane from the start 
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted January 29, 2015 03:53 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Lich is an old man in a cane from the start
That's a pretty big cane, though.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted January 29, 2015 03:55 PM |
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The Lich is still the same, maybes even more powerfull
Lich is going to turn into a vampire, so it switches from support to front-line attacker, so it's just a role-change
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted January 29, 2015 03:56 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Thank you for mentioning Academy.
Believe me I asked people "what do you see in this lineup, it is the same as it ever was, Haven had much more variety than this!"
People notice problems, but not many see the same topics as problems.
You're welcome!
I believe you, I have the same feeling. Even when they changed winter mountains for deserts they still look the same.
Maurice said:
(How is my Rakshasa immitation? ).
I woudn't distinguished you from the original if not for your avatar 
@Marzhin Oooh, I want more of these portraits
Lucretia looks like she's already a Vampire =P Already pale and already with green eyes.
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted January 29, 2015 03:57 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Lich is going to turn into a vampire, so it switches from support to front-line attacker, so it's just a role-change
Or he could become an Archlich.
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Greenlore
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posted January 29, 2015 03:57 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Don't you find it funny that Liches after all that lore and so much complication to become powerful are weaker then Swordmasters?
Look at amount of lore they have:
Swordmaster
Only the biggest, toughest, most resilient of Landsknechte can become Swordmasters. Trained in the most inhospitable woods and frozen hills of the Wolf Duchy, the fearless Swordmasters are the living swords of Elrath, and the embodiment of the Dragon of Light’s might and ire.
That's it. Still can beat the cr@p out of Lich
considering that some heroes are liches too,I'd say that there simply exist liches of varying strenght.
There are probably several liches who'd be on the same level as the champion creatures,but we simply don't get to recruit them in the game(because a lich as a champion would be kinda lame).
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 29, 2015 03:57 PM |
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted January 29, 2015 04:01 PM |
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Greenlore said:
(because a lich as a champion would be kinda lame).
Make the lich a giant/nephalem skeleton suffering from stoneman syndrome, add accessories, a staff that it's probably an impaled dude then name him something like Doomsday prophet and we get a better champion than the bone dragon
War-overlord said:
Or he could become an Archlich.
Still would get his @$$ kicked from an unupgraded swordmaster
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted January 29, 2015 04:06 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Still would get his @$$ kicked from an unupgraded swordmaster
LOL!
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted January 29, 2015 04:10 PM |
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The "wrote themselves into a corner with the lore" argument annoys me so much. That implies that their choices werent deliverate and that your complaints arent petty (over 10 pages arguing why the lich sucks because it doesnt have an skull for face and how make asspull explanations to make them have one)
Marzhin said:
GenyaArikado said:
Still bummed they never released any of the Danse Macabre portraits full scale
You're welcome
You're so lovely. I'd kiss you if you were into boys
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted January 29, 2015 04:11 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Still would get his @$$ kicked from an unupgraded swordmaster
Have him return in 40 years.
Edit: @Genya, I never said Liches suck cause they ain't got no skull. I couldn't give a monkey's arse one way or another.
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