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ThatRedSarah
Famous Hero
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 12:41 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
@thatRedSarah
HA!
that made me laugh  
maybe put it in the townscreen thread though?
Hehe great!  
And thanks for the tip, i posted that pile of nonsense in that thread too 
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 18, 2015 12:45 PM |
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lol OK, thanks for clearing that up Stevie, my brain was having a hard time for a moment there
you guys should really correct your blog and straighten out your facts with the designers, that's a bit embarrassing lol
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 18, 2015 12:45 PM |
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Galaad said:
Pawek_13 said:
Ubi-Nox had to be in quite a rush while writing this post.
Don't want to sound rude, but this doesn't seems like good enough of an excuse.
I have only formulated a hypothesis, not an excuse.
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted February 18, 2015 12:46 PM |
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Confusion OVER 9000!
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Limbic-Jaelle
Shaper of Lore
Communication Management, Limbic Ent.
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posted February 18, 2015 12:54 PM |
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Seems like I got a few things wrong (I'm totally confused today).
I'll get that right, just give me some time.
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted February 18, 2015 01:03 PM |
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Limbic-Jaelle said:
Seems like I got a few things wrong (I'm totally confused today).
I'll get that right, just give me some time.
No problem it happens to best of us.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 01:07 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 13:08, 18 Feb 2015.
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Quote:
The wait order moves a creature back in the initiative bar, for the turn. Creature with higher initiative (the slowest) will wait longer than those with low initiative. Fast creature will then always act before slow ones. Each creature can only wait once a turn. This has a critical impact on how to manage enemy retaliations.
Okay, this is where the confusion is, what happens when you wait. The way I understood it, so that it actually makes sense, is that the green part talks about initiative while the red one talks about movement speed. When you wait with your creatures, the ones that have the lowest initiative will come first. Like, if you wait a Titan with 20 inititative then you wait a Cabir with 10, the Cabir will come first out of his wait turn and after him the Titan. Where movement speed is important is when you have cases of creatures with the same initiative coming out of wait, so if you have a Cabir with 10 initiative and 5 movement speed and a Gargoyle with 10 initiative and 6 movement speed, the Gargoyle will get to act before the Cabir.
Now a more complicated example with 5 creatures, to hopefully illustrate it accurately. A,B,C,D,E = creature A,B,C,D,E; i = initiative; m = movement speed;
Who comes first from left to right with these values:
A(i=20;m=5) -> B(i=19;m=6) -> C(i=18;m=6) -> D(i=18;m=5) -> E(i=17;m=5)
After waiting with all of them, who comes first from left to right:
E(i=17;m=5) -> C(i=18;m=6) -> D(i=18;m=5) -> B(i=19;m=6) -> A(i=20;m=5)
Hope I got it right.
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The Young Traveler
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 18, 2015 01:15 PM |
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Edited by verriker at 13:16, 18 Feb 2015.
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the text they have is still very obscure, "higher initiative (the slowest)", because it's implicit that high initiative creatures will always inherently be slower than their counterparts, where actually the opposite should be true if anything (though in fact there is no correlation)
but I don't think we should have to decipher a riddle to know the basics of the game anyway lol
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted February 18, 2015 01:28 PM |
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Quote:
The wait order moves a creature back in the initiative bar, for the turn. Creature with higher initiative (the slowest) will wait longer than those with low initiative. Fast creature will then always act before slow ones. Each creature can only wait once a turn. This has a critical impact on how to manage enemy retaliations.
I think we are overthinking it. What I understood from it is that higher (number) initiative is the slower to act unit is (it will be further on the initiative bar). So unit with 1 initiative will act always before unit with initiative 2. If you wait it will simply put that creature at the end of the initiative bar in that turn.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 01:34 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 13:35, 18 Feb 2015.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 18, 2015 01:36 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 13:36, 18 Feb 2015.
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Okay, I'm dumb, I just need to clarify:
Is that image the second phase of the siege combat?
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 01:38 PM |
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted February 18, 2015 01:40 PM |
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Only thing that makes this pic wrong is lower number faster to act information.
I would say that either they changed their mind about low number = faster to act (it is actually more intuitive that higher the initiative faster the creature is) or that we are given wrong information.
*EDIT*
Or the pic is outdated 
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted February 18, 2015 01:43 PM |
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Where is Marzhin when he is needed.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 18, 2015 01:46 PM |
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i'm guessing the numbers in the code would go "lower=faster" but it's converted to "high=faster" in tooltips and such and this information hasn't been conveyed well to the middle-man (Hammer-lady in this case) and us.
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Limbic-Jaelle
Shaper of Lore
Communication Management, Limbic Ent.
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posted February 18, 2015 01:57 PM |
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I take everything back what I said and claim the opposite.
Okay, it's not that bad, but I got the right information now.
1) the more initiative, the better. What I saw was a picture with waiting creatures, which leads to:
2) if you wait, you get sorted backwards (a, b, c -> c, b, a)
But in their own turn, the creatures will act first, as told.
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ThatRedSarah
Famous Hero
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 02:00 PM |
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Limbic-Jaelle said:
Okay, I take everything back what I said and claim the opposite.
Okay, it's not that bad, but I got the right information now.
1) the more initiative, the better. What I saw was a picture with waiting creatures, which leads to:
2) if you wait, you get sorted backwards (a, b, c -> c, b, a)
Hi Limbic-Jaelle! Thank you for the info. That makes sense now
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted February 18, 2015 02:02 PM |
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So basically it will be the same way it has always been. The parenthesis on the blog should say (the fastest).
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted February 18, 2015 02:03 PM |
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ThatRedSarah said:
Limbic-Jaelle said:
Okay, I take everything back what I said and claim the opposite.
Okay, it's not that bad, but I got the right information now.
1) the more initiative, the better. What I saw was a picture with waiting creatures, which leads to:
2) if you wait, you get sorted backwards (a, b, c -> c, b, a)
Hi Limbic-Jaelle! Thank you for the info. That makes sense now
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 02:08 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 14:10, 18 Feb 2015.
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Limbic-Jaelle said:
2) if you wait, you get sorted backwards (a, b, c -> c, b, a)
Why would it be that hard to say "if you wait, you get sorted backwards"? Unless the text wanted to say more than that, which is what I suspect. And to see if that's true, just tell me - which creature comes first (before and then after wait) when they have the same amount of initiative? What is the parameter that dictates that, isn't it movement speed?
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The Young Traveler
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