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A8T
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posted February 19, 2015 11:11 PM |
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Ahh so the Vampires and Liches are being changed. When I saw the soon to be changed models I actually thought they looked quite good. However... four models that are too similar the H6 version is a bit much, so I think the fans were right here (but for the wrong reasons  ).
So if the Grim Riders were Veins Bodyguards (I guess there can't be that many of them then), how are the Grim Reapers related to the Grim Riders?
Oh and while we are at it, if a skeleton dragon is a dragons body, and a spectral dragon is its spirit, then what are the ghost dragons from Heroes 5 Tribes of the East then?
So many questions so little time!
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted February 19, 2015 11:41 PM |
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A8T said:
Oh and while we are at it, if a skeleton dragon is a dragons body, and a spectral dragon is its spirit, then what are the ghost dragons from Heroes 5 Tribes of the East then?
Retcon 
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted February 19, 2015 11:42 PM |
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted February 19, 2015 11:47 PM |
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Edited by Marzhin at 23:51, 19 Feb 2015.
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verriker said:
whose genius decision was it to name a vampire character "Vein"?
That would be the original writer of Duel of Champions since that's where the character first appeared
I think at some point there were some discussions about the fact "Vein" is not his true name, more a nickname he received after becoming a Vampire.
edit: that said, I see Vein is an actual family name in Great Britain. https://www.houseofnames.com/vein-family-crest?a=54323-224
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 20, 2015 12:04 AM |
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Marzhin (or any M&M dev, for that matter ), I do understand that the Fan day competition entries are taken from both the comments section of mmh7.com and the email provided at this picture, right?
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted February 20, 2015 12:12 AM |
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Marzhin said:
verriker said:
whose genius decision was it to name a vampire character "Vein"?
That would be the original writer of Duel of Champions since that's where the character first appeared
I think at some point there were some discussions about the fact "Vein" is not his true name, more a nickname he received after becoming a Vampire.
Indeed, his name according to DoC was Lord Irvin.
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 20, 2015 04:09 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 04:16, 20 Feb 2015.
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GenyaArikado said:
So they combined the wraith/h5 necromancer look with the dead knight lore. Everyone wins, you shut up
Mashing up the concepts of Wraith, Death Knight, Vampire and Reaper into one single aberration is not a win by any stretch of the imagination. It only drives people with some amount of sense away (me, LW, Sandro400, JJ, Galaad, etc.).
And what's with the attitude? Aren't you thinking you're quite crossing the line?
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Ok, let me add something (returning to the Grim Reaper):
You just cannot have a VAMPIRE being the GRIM REAPER.
That would be like a ZOMBIE being THE DEVIL.
I mean, PERIOD! This isn't even debatable. It's atrocious
It's obvious that there are people that simply don't get it.
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shadowdust
Hired Hero
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posted February 20, 2015 04:33 AM |
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I will pretend that the vampire rider has become wraith in the upgrade.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted February 20, 2015 05:28 AM |
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Stevie said:
GenyaArikado said:
So they combined the wraith/h5 necromancer look with the dead knight lore. Everyone wins, you shut up
Mashing up the concepts of Wraith, Death Knight, Vampire and Reaper into one single aberration is not a win by any stretch of the imagination. It only drives people with some amount of sense away (me, LW, Sandro400, JJ, Galaad, etc.).
"people with some sense like me" omfg lmao
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JotunLogi
Known Hero
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posted February 20, 2015 05:33 AM |
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Overall good changes, Necropolis looks a lot better. Colours suit the faction, puurple gives a bit diversity and also it seems that main colour is now black (what is seen after choosing Necro section on official site- both the symbol and background are black)
I could complain that both vampire and lich strongly resemble the upgraded versions of M&M:Heroes 6 but have some different elements. Vampire in Heroes 6 was great (imo btter as unupgraded), now it is also bood (just like him less). Lich here is better due to better clothes and some magic stuff- now he looks more like mage. i could only complain about amount of spikes and lich's mask. But is a lot better.
even spider is not that bad and animated drgpon looks not that bad (still- face is not good, jaws shoud be longer and crest with spikes- sshorter)
Now what I do not like:
- Townscreen- the worst thing and most hated. It is the same, hope they will remaster it at least (I think it should be completely reworked. Haven's ts need some changes cause otherwise it is quite beautiful and pleasant to eyes. Necropolis is not)
- Grim reaper's scythe looks like some Darth Maul's saber- why? there is no purpouse for that, it looks more childish and stupid, not mighty and terryfying
- Grim reaper's spin attack- again a new fetish in Ashan? After having everywhere dragons (in names, symbols, pictures, religion, story and so), spider fetish in Necropolis (no other symbols were used) now almost every unit has spin attack? I would understand a unit that attack all enemies standing in reach or round the units (Landsknecht) but in case of Angel, justicar and grim reaper it is just silly. Use just normal attack!
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted February 20, 2015 07:41 AM |
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ok things got serious! unfortunately I need to post here too. our beloved gameplay that made heroes what it is, is getting heavily affected!
ghosts without incorporeality???vamps without "no retaliation"? poor abilities and kind of rushed ones for no reason!
looks and textures etc come way second to gameplay, and they will be fixed eventually, but abilities????
I implore galaad to spam the official site about that.
please dear friend get your crazy on and go berserk on those forums. weekend is coming, in the name of CRAZEE show them that they never mess with gameplay stuff!NEVER!!!
RELEASH THE KRAKEN, heroes community this is serious!!!!!
p.s. galaad I will upvote all of your posts, one by one even if it takes a decade!
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted February 20, 2015 07:47 AM |
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ChrisD1 said:
RELEASH THE KRAKEN, heroes community this is serious!!!!!!
I guess, you got your movies mixed up, dude. You "release the Kraken" or "unleash hell." 
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JotunLogi
Known Hero
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posted February 20, 2015 08:32 AM |
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More disappointing is smaal quantity of abilities, especially when compared to Acaademy. What is worse, they are almost the same and do not give proper variety. Again only necrmoancy and undead character will distinct this faction- not battle stategy based on debuffs, weakening and so?
- skeleton is extremely boring as it was in HoMM 3- again only numbers are important. Could have (and even should have) sth more interesting like in HoMM 4- some protection against missles
- ghost is dull. I am glad that they do not have incorporetality cause it was more annoying and lenghten battles (ghosts are not damage dealers) and it was also not iconic- so I will not cry  although would rather see a good debuff like slow or weakening defense.
Vigilance- could be nice and useful but it is not also sth wow- ghost are not creatures to deal with in first place and this ability is already shared with vampire (copypasting abilities again) and probably hydra (in description also no flank weakness)
- spider is nice, I like that. But spider should not be undead, it is weird (with this look at least). And would give him some other bility
- I like vampires skill. With no retaliation he was op cause even with lower stats he was too strong. With more balanced stats Necro should be fine, not only relying on vampires and necromancy but also other units and tactics. Vigilance will be fine and he still has life drain that is always welcome
- lich. Staff of disruption sounds cool and will be but, god, he is powerful undead wizard and in previou games e rocked. He should be casting spells that will poison and weaken the enemy. And what we get? No spellcasting. Has he some powerful deebuff, sth like dragon fly in HoMM 3, some dispell? Nope. Abbot seems to be more cool- a simple priest. Come on
- Lamasu is fine, aura sounds really cool (althoughhalways prefer active abiliteis to auras- player is forced to use abilities correctly and even area of effect auras are not that hard to use... what means no fun)
- Grim reaper is great, I really like him (except attack and weapon)
- Dragon. Again- aura that just does ssome damage. Nth special, better some terror ability (casting like dark champion in homm 4) or solid debuff. Soul reaver is nice utility ability- but for ghost, not for champion
- again, vampire has childish animation attack, too cool to bare it
Overall it is not that bad and together they should be useful. But from Necropolis I always want more debuffs and abilities. Unead ability, although useful, is rather nature. Living creatures do not have "living"and in theory they could- there are plenty mehanics thanks to which they gain major benefits
Especally disappointing are skeleton (completely lack of anything), ghost and lich could be better (debuffs!). Grim reaper, lamasu and spider are ok. Overall 6/10
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted February 20, 2015 09:01 AM |
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1. Did they retcon H6 spectral dragon lore? I thought you needed to go to the spirit world to bind the dragons spirit in order to animate its bones.
2. Did anyone notice the lich losing its jaw?
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 20, 2015 09:04 AM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 09:05, 20 Feb 2015.
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Steyn said:
2. Did anyone notice the lich losing its jaw?
Maybe he saw what he looks like in H7.
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Ubi-Nox
Shaper of Lore
M&M Community Developer, Ubisoft
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posted February 20, 2015 09:33 AM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Marzhin (or any M&M dev, for that matter ), I do understand that the Fan day competition entries are taken from both the comments section of mmh7.com and the email provided at this picture, right?
Yes you can use the one that better suits you email can be easier for sharing pictures, long texts etc.
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted February 20, 2015 09:45 AM |
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verriker said:
Infernopolis was more of a theme for Gauldoth than the actual town
really, all of the Heroes 4 town themes reflected the campaigns well (Nature being a duet, and so on)
Nature features a child vocal as well and no way in hell the Asylum theme represents the bloody pirates.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted February 20, 2015 10:00 AM |
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Okay, super out-there theory, but here goes...
You know how people were wondering what happens if the vampire's reverse aging makes them, well, super young? What if the Grim Riders/Reapers are logical conclusion: retaining all their powers, but becoming a nearly insubstantial being in the process? That, or there's a vampire toddler controlling things from the inside of the Grim's torso armour?
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 20, 2015 10:08 AM |
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I don't think vampire toddlers exist.
AFAIK, most vampires reverse-age, yes, but that's only because they're older than their twenties when initiated.
Those who are younger continue to age until the reach their ideal age,
which is when they're at their overall healthiest, smartest, strongest, etc.
The poison apparently has the ability to see both the past and the possible future, and alter the host's body accordingly.
And least that's what I get from this silliness.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted February 20, 2015 10:11 AM |
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Avirosb said:
And least that's what I get from this silliness.
pretty much.
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