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The_green_drag
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posted February 25, 2015 05:49 PM |
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Galaad said:
@Dark-Whiseperer: If you remember well, when H7 was first announced and Haven with Academy pages were partly revealed, I was very enthusiastic too. In my opinion all started to smell bad in the community with Sylvan and Dungeon votings already. And Necropolis reveal was just Ashan putting its balls on the table.
I agree, the game took a bad turn once the faction/line up votes started. Although that is why I find it silly anyone would be getting mad about lore and visual regarding necro when we have two factions with way bigger issues. But hey it's all worh it! Medusa is back! 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 25, 2015 05:49 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 17:52, 25 Feb 2015.
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Pawek_13 said:
@kiryu133:
But you must admit that peaks of whining about the Ashan come quite regularly. 
Yes, I wonder why this concept is still out there stronger than ever when you see the tremendous amount of complains it continuously keep receiving since the last ten years.
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted February 25, 2015 05:51 PM |
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Galaad said:
In my opinion all started to smell bad in the community with Sylvan and Dungeon votings already.
I think things were still fine at that point. 
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"The age can be wicked to those who walk alone. When I look into the Mirror, I see myself as I might become..." -Freya
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 25, 2015 05:52 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
That is pretty shallow in my book.
A match fit for Ashan.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 25, 2015 05:55 PM |
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I don't know. Sylvan vs Fortress generated a bunch of angry dwarves, who couldn't believe the injustice. Sylvan line up I believe you remember very well, Dungeon line up voting was less drama as it was better handled, both with the choice of set in stones creatures and the second round implementation. Dungeon vs Inferno went fine I admit.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted February 25, 2015 05:55 PM |
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You guys understand that all 6 of the choices we were presented were candidates for faction even if there was no voting and that we would get one of those line-ups anyway.
In fact if UBI or Limbic (don't know who decides about line-ups in HVII, producer or developer) choose Fury and MTF without voting you would just blame UBI for it.
Now that you can't blame them directly you found way around to place blame on them for not making choices that you personally want.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 25, 2015 05:57 PM |
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The voting is no more than basic marketing DW. I even suspect #GURS were part of it as well, since the Team told the community to ask for it.
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Kayna
Supreme Hero
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posted February 25, 2015 05:57 PM |
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If sylvan and dungeon won, it's because the player base is mostly a neo-emo-baby-boomer-conservative fan base.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 25, 2015 06:00 PM |
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted February 25, 2015 06:01 PM |
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How can you blame anyone for giving you a bit of control?
Unless you think that entire voting is rigged.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 25, 2015 06:03 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
How can you blame anyone for giving you a bit of control?
Unless you think that entire voting is rigged.
A bit of control here, shifting some of the blame around there...
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted February 25, 2015 06:11 PM |
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What blame? You speak as if they have known that line-ups and last two factions, would cause problems.
They had no problems to choose for us before and I really don't think that they needed to develop such scheme just to deflect some of bad reactions regarding line-ups and factions.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 25, 2015 06:28 PM |
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I blame whoever made the faces line up for dungeon. Medusa could have had a spot without changing the faction strategy to another 'sit and shoot' . She could have been the top core.
Now I honestly don't care to pick haven because why pick the medieval Knights over the mythological beasts that offer the same basic tactics?
Blades and shield had similar ideas just like the three slyvan line ups were generally the same.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 25, 2015 06:31 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
I really don't think that they needed to develop such scheme just to deflect some of bad reactions regarding line-ups and factions.
they may not have needed to, but that's what they did all the same lol
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted February 25, 2015 06:33 PM |
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Kayna said:
If sylvan and dungeon won, it's because the player base is mostly a neo-emo-baby-boomer-conservative fan base.
That or fans were disappointed that in H6 there were no Sylvan faction... I guess Dungeon won because many people like Black dragon or because people were tired of Inferno appearing during the eclipses...
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Galaad said:
Sylvan vs Fortress generated a bunch of angry dwarves, who couldn't believe the injustice. .
The fans of any losing faction would be disappointed, dwarfs or non-dwarfs.
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"The age can be wicked to those who walk alone. When I look into the Mirror, I see myself as I might become..." -Freya
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 25, 2015 06:48 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 18:49, 25 Feb 2015.
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Look, Fortress had a one time appearance in the franchise, and Sylvan is a classic, missing from VI moreover. I never believed one second Fortress could win. Dungeon vs Inferno however have more supporters from both sides. Of course people supporting loosing factions will be disappointed, I never contested that.
Is the fact of being put in front of an injustice that will spawn anger, and that's exactly what happened with Fortress.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 25, 2015 06:57 PM |
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Galaad said:
Is the fact of being put in front of an injustice that will spawn anger, and that's exactly what happened with Fortress.
Huh. Although I prefer Fortress over Sylvan, I guess that there is no Fortress fan that could say that he/she hates Sylvan. I believe that putting Sylvan with Dungeon would be an unjust movement. Chosing between two of four most classic faction would be an injustice.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted February 25, 2015 07:00 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Chosing between two of four most classic faction would be an injustice.
But putting Fortress against one of the most popular factions is Justice in flesh!
Funny thing that many oldtimers voted for Dwarves (Marzhin included), but were defeated by the sheer amount of tree-lovers.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 25, 2015 07:03 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Huh. Although I prefer Fortress over Sylvan, I guess that there is no Fortress fan that could say that he/she hates Sylvan. I believe that putting Sylvan with Dungeon would be an unjust movement. Chosing between two of four most classic faction would be an injustice.
You missed the anti-Elven comments at the blog, they were hard to miss though. (suck our fat beard you snowty elves, or I never feel better than when I strangle an elf, there were a lot more).
Of course this is only my opinion, but I believe it was set from the start that both Academy and Sylvan would be there, along Haven, Stronghold and Necro. That vote was no more of a formality, or an extreme lack of knowledge and comprehension. But in a way it is clever, take the temperature of the Fortress activists to see for a possible expansion, and Dungeon vs Inferno at this point seemed fair.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 25, 2015 07:03 PM |
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Classic factions shouldn't be put up to vote. We should have had a santctuary Vs fortress vote honestly, since this game lacks new material as it is. And this would be the only heroes game I can think of that won't have a new faction. Unless we get like 3-4 expansions, there is just no room.
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