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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 09, 2015 06:07 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
easier to disconnect from the poison that has flooded most fansites.
Well what do you expect when Ubisoft decides to go Opendev when is been 10 years many think they are mistreating the franchise.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted March 09, 2015 06:22 PM |
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Galaad said:
Dave_Jame said:
easier to disconnect from the poison that has flooded most fansites.
Well what do you expect when Ubisoft decides to go Opendev when is been 10 years many think they are mistreating the franchise.
Just be silent, You have no idea what Ubi has done with the brand, You are only blinded by your short site of aesthetics and icons, not seeing what has been done well and what has been done wrong. A brand does not benefit from looks ant filler texts, a brand benefits from good games. And even it is true that Ubi made few bad games, the majority of their works, as games, has only done the brand good. You are blinded by a poison you yourself had injected into your eyes. Ive seen Ubi give trust to the fans of this bran many times, and saw how many of them abused this privilege just like you in your madness planed to do. Insiders, close cooperation with fan bases, reaching out to communities around the world. And all you see is spiders, you most likely painted directly on your eyes.
If I could I would vomit on your shoes right now.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 09, 2015 06:28 PM |
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Just have a look at what the community has done. Then look at Ubi has done. Then tell me who is blind.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted March 09, 2015 06:29 PM |
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So childish ...
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted March 09, 2015 06:30 PM |
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Dave, and what solution would you propose to solve this matter of game development then? In days like today, with easy dissemination of information, where people can voice freely (yet) they positions, where feedback can be disguised as flaming or trolling intell., and vice-versa? You, as a developer, would have to guarantee some quality. If we are not seeing it so far, and I'm not talking about spiders at all, how would you expect people to behave when they don't trust?
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted March 09, 2015 06:30 PM |
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted March 09, 2015 06:40 PM |
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PandaTar said:
If we are not seeing it so far, and I'm not talking about spiders at all, how would you expect people to behave when they don't trust?
But truth be told, this whole hysteria started after the s.p.i.d.e.r.s. Before Necro, pretty much everybody (at least here) was pleased by Ubi's work so far.
LizardWarrior said:
Ubisoft, the pinnacle of technology
Don't forget to read the comments below the video, btw 
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Let's play poker game, lich-style!
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kiryu133
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Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted March 09, 2015 06:42 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
If I could I would vomit on your shoes right now.
lol, that made me laugh
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 09, 2015 06:44 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 18:44, 09 Mar 2015.
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I doubt think he was joking. He already compared me to Jeremiah Emo and requested me to get a penalty for "challenging people to defend the Spidercult".
As for the hysteria, some people tend to forget the votings.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted March 09, 2015 06:45 PM |
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Galaad said:
Just have a look at what the community has done. Then look at Ubi has done. Then tell me who is blind.
I'm going to look at each game Ubi has done and praise what is worthy of that act.
I'm going to praise Dark messiah for the engaging combat and use of environment. I’m going to praise clash of heroes of its addictive game play and general success. I'm going to praise heroes V for the status it achieved in its life spam. I'm going to praise Duel of Champions for the complexity it offered, for its variety, frequent updates and for its artworks. I'm going to praise M&M X for its good game play, and for the balls Ubi had to even publish such a game at this time.
I'm going to thank Ubi for creating the status of VIP's, as for they in my eyes have done more then this open-dev ever will. And for giving Marzhin a chance to work.
I'm not the one who is blind, I have seen it all. I have had opportunities to see how things are done on both sides. I have more poison in me then you will ever have, I know how Ubi treated this brand throughout these years. Now tell me, am I blind, for seeing both the light and the dark, for looking towards the future, rather than to dwell on the past? Or am I just swatting spiders in the dark on a black wall?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 09, 2015 06:48 PM |
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Do I dwell in the past when the H7 section is the one I'm most active at?
You disagree with me, is one thing. Trying to dismiss me because you disagree is another one.
And I agree we will get nowhere here Dave.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted March 09, 2015 06:48 PM |
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Galaad said:
I doubt think he was joking. He already compared me to Jeremiah Emo and requested me to get a penalty for "challenging people to defend the Spidercult".
As for the hysteria, some people tend to forget the votings.
i'm staying out of your dispute. merely pointing out that choice of words was simply hilarious and i don't care about the context. "i'll puke on your shoes" (on, not in, on!) is just really funny even if it is a legitimate "threat".
seriously though, i'm staying out of this with the exception that that was to damn funny not to comment
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OmegaDestroyer
Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
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posted March 09, 2015 06:52 PM |
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Galaad said:
Heroes 7 or not, a 8 years old rig starts to get old.
I am keenly aware of that. Unfortunately the money I had for a new system had to be put towards a new set of tires.
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The giant has awakened
You drink my blood and drown
Wrath and raving I will not stop
You'll never take me down
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PandaTar
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Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted March 09, 2015 06:52 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
But truth be told, this whole hysteria started after the s.p.i.d.e.r.s. Before Necro, pretty much everybody (at least here) was pleased by Ubi's work so far.
That strikes odd with my view upon the game until that moment, when I wasn't around here. Necropolis only seemed to put a cherry over the whole mess, in my point of view.
I don't mind spiders in the line up, in fact, I do prefer those than the old slow, never-hired (I'm speaking about me, ok?) zombies. Since H2, I almost never carried zombies with me. Spider do feel like are different - or they would seem, until they showed that they are nothing more like skeletons in disguise (due the lack of uniqueness when it comes to abilities). The townscreen was ... terrible. At least for my sense of idea of an undead city. Alas, that's that.
Before that, seeing Haven and Academy TSs so much alike each other and also looking like big military camps was already casting me an awful feeling or H4 deja vu. All those super detailed units too, never fancied much that, because I'll play the game from afar most of the time. I truly don't intend zooming in every battle to check upon the earrings of those djinns, or every carved part of those gargoyles or seeing every spider-themed detail upon those skeletons. That simply is a waste, imho, and I saw that in Haven units too. They look like fancy chess pieces, where you cannot move them in fear they might broke.
Graphics ok and only a few mechanics explained in a satisfying way. I'm a mechanics-follower, when it comes to Heroes game. And I cannot state anything that I truly like as for now, because there are no info, really detailed info about anything.
That's something I'm complaining since the beginning and until now, nothing has changed. I'm somewhat surprised that it took a truly miserable display regarding the looks of something to start wrecking havoc upon the game itself - because ever since its beginning, it didn't look like anything truly unique to me nor worthy the price they'll ask for.
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted March 09, 2015 06:53 PM |
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Galaad said:
As for the hysteria, some people tend to forget the votings.
And what about votings? Was there an anti-Ubi hysteria? Nothing like it at all. Sure, some people were sad by the fact that they had to make a tough choice (unicorn/phoenix), but the general consensus was "oh, we have a word in this".
I agree that the 1st faction vote was pretty much obvious, but the rest of them had some drama and batalia in them ^^
P.S.: not mentioning that the community (if I may speak about it) welcomed H7's announcement in general and gave Ubi second chance after H6.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted March 09, 2015 06:55 PM |
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@LizardWarrior: Don't quote out of context.
@PandaTar:
You are a friend of Elvin, if I noticed correctly, right? He is a long time VIP and these people are in my eye's enough to provide sufficient feedback for the games wellbeing. You see my general image of people is bad. I regard most of them as “simple”. As a developer you have vision of what your goal is, plans several steps ahead, ideas, features connected in various ways, in one way or another you are an artist. The last thing you need is a random Jonny from the street telling you how to do your work. There is nothing more frustrating than a person talking over your shoulder and telling you how much you suck. Especially when they lack the global insight as a person more directly involved has.
Insiders are enough of an impact in my eyes.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 09, 2015 07:03 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 19:07, 09 Mar 2015.
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Omega Destroyer said:
I am keenly aware of that. Unfortunately the money I had for a new system had to be put towards a new set of tires.
Hmmm could you play H6?
Sandro400 said:
P.S.: not mentioning that the community (if I may speak about it) welcomed H7's announcement in general and gave Ubi second chance after H6.
True. Even I welcomed the great news. I even thought giving a second third chance to Ashan (yes, at first, I did).
Regarding the votings, there was some anti-Ubi due to some moves like having Unicorn and Phoenix in separate lineups, but quite not as much.
PandaTar said:
Necropolis only seemed to put a cherry over the whole mess, in my point of view.
Pretty much this. Necropolis reveal just reopened too many not yet healed wounds.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted March 09, 2015 07:03 PM |
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PandaTar said:
That strikes odd with my view upon the game until that moment, when I wasn't around here. Necropolis only seemed to put a cherry over the whole mess, in my point of view.
Well, I certainly disagree with your point of view 
PandaTar said:
or they would seem, until they showed that they are nothing more like skeletons in disguise (due the lack of uniqueness when it comes to abilities)
Let's return to this when they show us the stats. Because for now, they tend to give units lesser abilities and more stat play. If skeleton is melee, and spider - a shooter, they would be distinct enough.
PandaTar said:
Before that, seeing Haven and Academy TSs so much alike each other and also looking like big military camps was already casting me an awful feeling or H4 deja vu. All those super detailed units too, never fancied much that, because I'll play the game from afar most of the time.
Yeah, MOS generally recieved negative feedback, but they're WiP, they may change for the better.
Super detailed? Compare them to H6 pal
PandaTar said:
I'm a mechanics-follower, when it comes to Heroes game. And I cannot state anything that I truly like as for now, because there are no info, really detailed info about anything.
True! So true! So let me ask you a questions: why fans should've been negative towards Ubi for not having detailed info about mechanics, hmm? You're going to dislike them/complain because they haven't revealed all info about the mechanics?
P.S.: what do you mean by "nothing changed"? Heroes changed once, and after that the company bankropted...
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted March 09, 2015 07:05 PM |
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@Dave
Yeah, I'm Elvin's friend as well. What does this have to do? ^^
And I do take your point. However, that's a matter one must deal with when it involves money (because you are being paid for it, regardless any other thing it might occur) and time. Time, as you very well know, is of much importance as we get older and older, with so many other priorities. It's only normal being more inquisitive and to demand something better (in our view), even if you know, when being a developer, you are doing a good work. You are, foremost, a servant of your clientele, whether you wish it or not. And you'll have all sort of those.
I work in that sort of ambiance, where a client comes and says he/she doesn't like that and wants an awful thing, you do believe it might be the worse thing. Still, I'm being paid for it. The least I can do is trying not to make it worse, which is why I think they keep all channels opened for fans - even if all the voicing might displease a good number of other fans.
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted March 09, 2015 07:08 PM |
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Galaad said:
Do I dwell in the past when the H7 section is the one I'm most active at?
Yet most of your ideas are focused on comparing things to a game almost as old as my current GF. Talks about "Feeling" of the game. There are ways how to make the current status better whit out any major surgical strikes or destruction of what has been done. I have disagreed with you many times, and many times I have reached out to you, offered a well meant advice and a soothing gesture, not anymore. If you want to know why a will no further be as benevolent as I was, it is to make you think.
@PandaTar: It had nothing to do with the topic, other than to bring up an example from your near surroundings.
Even if I am aware of how investments (being them past or future ones (funding vs. future sales)) influence the creative part of many media, I still stand more on the side thinking that such influence is generally bad. And my opinion on games (Board or Video) is that a developer whit a free hand will make a better game than when he is assigned with one.
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
