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Stevie
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posted March 11, 2015 11:37 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
What (good) reason could there be to hand out abilities for free, what would in essence be double-picks, since it makes sense to have more than 3 abilities per skill.
I'm actually wondering how much of a premise reason was when they thought the Skillwheel through (assuming they did).
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The Young Traveler
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 11, 2015 11:54 AM |
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Stevie said:
JollyJoker said:
What (good) reason could there be to hand out abilities for free, what would in essence be double-picks, since it makes sense to have more than 3 abilities per skill.
I'm actually wondering how much of a premise reason was when they thought the Skillwheel through (assuming they did).
It's not that I wouldn't appreciate the witticism of this remark - but isn't it a bit early for that kind of judgement, not knowing anything about it except a couple of skill names and the fact that hero classes seem to have 3 "main skills" - whatever that means?
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted March 11, 2015 11:55 AM |
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Galaad said:
Pawek_13 said:
You mean Heroes III 2.0? 
No I mean Heroes IV. And I'm dead serious.
Same. But I doubt we'll see it anytime soon. If I had been blank on Heroes up to now and was presented with all games fresh and new (full Gold versions), I'd probably consider Heroes 5 the best one yet. Rose-tinted glasses from nostalgia puts Heroes 3 ahead of it, though. A worthy successor to the ease and simplicity, yet deviously complex gameplay is yet to be created. I don't think Heroes 7 will be the one, but who knows what may come after it?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 11, 2015 11:58 AM |
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Maurice said:
Rose-tinted glasses from nostalgia puts Heroes 3 ahead of it, though.
No.
Quote:
The worst possible (and annoyingly overused) argument that is supposed to be in favour of any of the Ubisoft Heroes games is "nostalgia blinds you, they are better than you see them". Heroes V objectively failed on many levels even if you take it as a stand-alone game that exists in vacuum with no predecessors, let alone great ones. Yes, it had some good idea, yes, it even had some good ideas that were implemented well. No, the story doesn't end here. Is that so hard to grasp? Before Tribes of the East, Heroes V was not even average from technical perspective (not to mention that the original release didn't even have a map editor and the game never really got an adequate one) and even though TotE arrived in a fairly playable state, some of the core issues could not be rooted out and are still not (Ashan...).
This guy couldn't be more right.
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted March 11, 2015 12:05 PM |
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Galaad said:
And people who love Heroes of Might and Magic can only suffer when they see what this franchise has turned into.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. The Love of everything up to H3 and the Hate of everything afterwards.
And with this, I am done talking about it. I tried to make a joke and it has turned into something I did not intend. From now on, I wash my hands of this.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 11, 2015 12:09 PM |
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War-overlord said:
I tried to make a joke and it has turned into something I did not intend.
Really? You are in your perfect right to choose to accept what has been delivered by Ubisoft, but I don't appreciate that you try to dismiss the people who try to defend what they love. And if some language can be harsh (although Lizard always criticized with humor), it is because it seems Ubisoft has a hard time to hear another language. But we will see if I'm wrong at the event, as I don't intend to be hateful there.
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Supreme Hero
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posted March 11, 2015 12:16 PM |
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Galaad said:
Maurice said:
Rose-tinted glasses from nostalgia puts Heroes 3 ahead of it, though.
No.
Quote:
The worst possible (and annoyingly overused) argument that is supposed to be in favour of any of the Ubisoft Heroes games is "nostalgia blinds you, they are better than you see them". Heroes V objectively failed on many levels even if you take it as a stand-alone game that exists in vacuum with no predecessors, let alone great ones. Yes, it had some good idea, yes, it even had some good ideas that were implemented well. No, the story doesn't end here. Is that so hard to grasp? Before Tribes of the East, Heroes V was not even average from technical perspective (not to mention that the original release didn't even have a map editor and the game never really got an adequate one) and even though TotE arrived in a fairly playable state, some of the core issues could not be rooted out and are still not (Ashan...).
This guy couldn't be more right.
And that says absolutely nothing at all... The whole argument is pointless, like NWC heroes games were perfect.
Galaad said:
War-overlord said:
I tried to make a joke and it has turned into something I did not intend.
Really? You are in your perfect right to choose to accept what has been delivered by Ubisoft, but I don't appreciate that you try to dismiss the people who try to defend what they love. And if some language can be harsh (although Lizard always criticized with humor), it is because it seems Ubisoft has a hard time to hear another language. But we will see if I'm wrong at the event, as I don't intend to be hateful there.
Somehow it is very hard to imagine that...
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted March 11, 2015 12:17 PM |
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Galaad said:
Really?
Do I have to spell out that I'm joking, because  aren't enough anymore?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 11, 2015 12:19 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Do I have to spell out that I'm joking, because aren't enough anymore?
War-overlord, is my firm conviction that you are clever enough to understand this joke could eventually get misinterpreted.
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted March 11, 2015 12:22 PM |
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Galaad said:
War-overlord, is my firm conviction that you are clever enough to understand this joke could eventually get misinterpreted.
[Rethorical Question]If you cannot make jokes anymore because people misinterpret or misunderdstand them, then what is the point of making jokes anymore?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 11, 2015 12:23 PM |
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Ok, then I will tell you I found your joke misplaced and of bad taste. My opinion of course.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted March 11, 2015 12:36 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
You mean Heroes III 2.0?
Those ingrates, why would you want Heroes III 2.0 when Heroes VI 2.0 is coming out soon.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted March 11, 2015 12:40 PM |
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Galaad said:
Avonu said:
I am pretty sure, that LW doesn't hate Heroes of Might and Magic. However, Might and Magic: Heroes is another case.
And people who love Heroes of Might and Magic can only suffer when they see what this franchise has turned into. How many people are still waiting for Heroes IV? Check out the non-Ubi sections of the forums.
those poor 10 people. Crying tears of gold and amber for them
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 11, 2015 12:40 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 12:44, 11 Mar 2015.
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JollyJoker said:
Stevie said:
I'm actually wondering how much of a premise reason was when they thought the Skillwheel through (assuming they did).
It's not that I wouldn't appreciate the witticism of this remark - but isn't it a bit early for that kind of judgement, not knowing anything about it except a couple of skill names and the fact that hero classes seem to have 3 "main skills" - whatever that means?
Fair point. But I can't help thinking about it. I don't see why they decided that the differences between each class' Skillwheel should be at a Mastery level. That's a Heroes 6 concept no matter how I look at it. The way I imagined it before was more on the lines of Heroes 5, that the skills of a class would have different perks than the skills of another class, different number of them, different potency, different internal and external prerequisites and all that. Basically different and unique Skillwheels. Right now I looks like the Skillwheels in Heroes 7 would be copies of each other, at least at a faction or Might & Magic class level, where juggling with availability decides the differences. I don't know if that works or not, but it certainly feels odd to have skills with only 3 masteries be restricted to 2 or even 1.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted March 11, 2015 12:42 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
those poor 10 people.
You know that's not true.
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GenyaArikado
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posted March 11, 2015 12:46 PM |
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Galaad said:
GenyaArikado said:
those poor 10 people.
You know that's not true.
indeed
in the big scope they a are the equivalent of 1 person at best
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 11, 2015 12:48 PM |
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted March 11, 2015 12:48 PM |
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Galaad said:
You know that's not true.
yeah, there are at least, at least, 12 people there  !
...sorry
GenyaArikado said:
in the big scope they a are the equivalent of 1 person each at best
FTFY
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 11, 2015 12:48 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
in the big scope they a are the equivalent of 1 person at best
RIght, WoG, HotA and VCMI never existed and no one follows it. But I guess with such argumentation you provide is just your word against mine isn't it.
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Supreme Hero
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posted March 11, 2015 12:53 PM |
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You keep mentioning fan expansions a lot. Aren't you getting a bit obsessed?
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