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Jackson
Known Hero
Random Spirit Lover
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posted March 28, 2015 08:39 AM |
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Just so you know, you guys can figure out all 8 Stronghold units using these screenshots. 
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted March 28, 2015 08:44 AM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 09:00, 28 Mar 2015.
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red_flag said:
The skillwheel looks familiar, similarly to Heroes V. This is something certainly satisfying. Only aspect that worries me is that the level cap is 30 and since it appears that for every skill level one skill point is spent the maximum number of fully developed skills decreases to 5, which is definitely not enough.
PS. Cyclops will be once more catapults! Yay! 
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Kronos1000
Promising
Supreme Hero
Fryslân Boppe
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posted March 28, 2015 08:49 AM |
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Screenshots!
So the Basilisk Rider is confirmed, and we get our first look at the Behemoth.
Regarding the skillwheel, it looks like not every hero will have access to every skill. I presume that this is based on the hero's class. The picture is a bit low res, but those icons are clearly abilities. It looks like you can select one out of three abilities at basic level, one out of two at advanced, and one at expert. It also looks like not every hero will have access to every ability, as Air Magic doesn't even list the second stage and Explorer does, but there are no abilities yet, which would indicate that this hero class does not have access to advanced level Air Magic, but he does have access to advanced Explorer. If that makes sense. Based on the way they structured it, it does not look like there will be abilities that require abilities from other skills, like in Heroes 5, but I could be wrong in this regard.
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted March 28, 2015 08:58 AM |
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Jackson said:
Just so you know, you guys can figure out all 8 Stronghold units using these screenshots.
I've seen the Behemoth, Cyclops, Basilisk rider, Brute, Gnoll and Centaur. Which two am I missing and where did you see them?
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted March 28, 2015 08:59 AM |
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Nice Cyclops if a bit spiky.
Is that a Wyvern I spot on the ATB bar?
On the other hand wth is this 2 hero portraits in battle?
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted March 28, 2015 09:02 AM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 09:03, 28 Mar 2015.
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fuChris said:
On the other hand wth is this 2 hero portraits in battle?
Probably the hero with whom our heroine (Imani) is fighting.
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red_flag
Known Hero
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posted March 28, 2015 09:02 AM |
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Steyn said:
Jackson said:
Just so you know, you guys can figure out all 8 Stronghold units using these screenshots.
I've seen the Behemoth, Cyclops, Basilisk rider, Brute, Gnoll and Centaur. Which two am I missing and where did you see them?
Harpy and Wyvern(portrait only)
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted March 28, 2015 09:32 AM |
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Hmm, is the reveal of these screenshots intentional, or someone leaked them before time? Maybe someone should save them, just in case ...
Kronos1000 said:
Regarding the skillwheel, it looks like not every hero will have access to every skill. I presume that this is based on the hero's class. The picture is a bit low res, but those icons are clearly abilities. It looks like you can select one out of three abilities at basic level, one out of two at advanced, and one at expert. It also looks like not every hero will have access to every ability, as Air Magic doesn't even list the second stage and Explorer does, but there are no abilities yet, which would indicate that this hero class does not have access to advanced level Air Magic, but he does have access to advanced Explorer. If that makes sense. Based on the way they structured it, it does not look like there will be abilities that require abilities from other skills, like in Heroes 5, but I could be wrong in this regard.
I agree with most of your analysis. One question that remains is, however: When we see only the first level at Earth Magic, is that because this class is limited only to level 1, or is it just because second level only shows after first level is acquired? It's not clear, because we don't see any skills where there is more than one un-lit level.
I agree with you, we don't see any inter-linking between the skills, it seems all skills are independant, so in that way, it's very similar to Heroes 6, except they just arranged them in a circle now. 
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What will happen now?
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted March 28, 2015 09:33 AM |
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Woah!
So hyped about Stronghold!
Everything has been confirmed: Desert Orcs, Gnolls and all the other s*it. I like the fact that Behemoth received his familiar "claws". Though his mug looks a little meh... His upgrade seems to be white, so Ancient Behemoth confirmed (actually from the back Behemoth really resembles a Gorilla, if I remember correctly there are some giant monkeys in Ashans lore...)
I like the fact that units in the Stronghold line-up look a little more varied this time.
Also I think that the UI received a nice little rework. It definitely looks neater now.
Those screens show that lighting effects are looking great with this engine, those sun-lit canyons, rocks and crags are gorgeous...
PS: I wonder if someone will loose his head because of those leaks?
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted March 28, 2015 10:28 AM |
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Edited by Avonu at 10:53, 28 Mar 2015.
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alcibiades said:
One question that remains is, however: When we see only the first level at Earth Magic, is that because this class is limited only to level 1, or is it just because second level only shows after first level is acquired? It's not clear, because we don't see any skills where there is more than one un-lit level.
As you can see, you need to purchase (learn?) also skill levels (red 1, 2, 3 between abilities icons) to unlock abilities. I don't know if you buy them with skill points (IIRC it was stated in some Q&A that you spend skill point for ability OR new/next level of skill) or you learn them in other way.
Also, as you can see by Ultimate Ability (Father Sky's Fury - the one bigger one in center), you probably have max 3 Ultimates per class - so not all skill seems to have max level with all classes.
I am dissapointed by this "skill wheel" - we don't get any random at them - a class have always the same skills choosen by developers. Where is H2-5 random skill pick up? Why a hero can't learn a skill from all available?
For me this "skill wheel" is the same boring system as in Heores 6 but only looks better. Instead to unlock new skills/abilities at level 5, 15 and 25 as Heroes 6, you now must buy them by your skill points - that's the only difference I see. The rest is nearly the same - you always have the same skills/abilities available for a hero (so Imami - the Chieftan - will always has the same skills as you can see on skills UI screenshot) and you can't learn for example water magic. I don't even can image how you can learn new skills or abilities by adventue map buildings - Witch huts or University - I can guess if these buildings are on maps, they could offer +1 skill point for your hero.
So far I am really, really disapointed by Skill system - it's just a slighty better H6 one - which was very bad. Even skill/abilities icons are taken from H6 (Vitality = H6's Resilence).
On the plus site - we have 10 skills with 6 abilities each - so we have much to choose but if max hero level is 30, then we can max only half of them. Not good.
However - two thing can change that: Skill system seems to be still "work in progress" and I only saw one class screenshot, so maybe I am wrong about this system.
blob2 said:
PS: I wonder if someone will loose his head because of those leaks?
Probably not, as it is end of March already.
blob2 said:
actually from the back Behemoth really resembles a Gorilla, if I remember correctly there are some giant monkeys in Ashans lore...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 28, 2015 10:35 AM |
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alcibiades said:
When we see only the first level at Earth Magic, is that because this class is limited only to level 1, or is it just because second level only shows after first level is acquired?
There is a show all skills button in the screen 
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted March 28, 2015 10:46 AM |
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Nice info I guess we know how beheemoth will look like, and basilisk rider is here aswell ... nice. I didn't see harpy tho, so maybe there won't be one, but it could be wrong. Centaur is defenitly based on H6 design. Great faction.
Regarding skillwheel. Show all button is nice, but I would point out something else. Remember that each hero class is supposed to have their own version? My prediction was, that this means only certain skills will be available to each class...
It's true. You can see Barbarian can only get access to certain skills. There's no Dark magic there for instance.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted March 28, 2015 11:28 AM |
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Is that a H6 Earth elemental I see in the upper left corner?
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted March 28, 2015 11:32 AM |
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Edited by Avonu at 11:32, 28 Mar 2015.
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Yes, it is.
I guess we will have elementals looking like in H6.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted March 28, 2015 12:22 PM |
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I'm surprised people posted it only now. It was leaked for around 3 days already.
I doubt the leak was intentional. It comes from German magazine GameStar (or StarGame), it's April issue was somehow recovered and leaked into the Internet. For those who are interested, it has some Witcher 3 info as well ^^
Btw, there're at least two screenshots missing (MO-screen as well  )
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted March 28, 2015 12:25 PM |
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Avonu said:
alcibiades said:
One question that remains is, however: When we see only the first level at Earth Magic, is that because this class is limited only to level 1, or is it just because second level only shows after first level is acquired? It's not clear, because we don't see any skills where there is more than one un-lit level.
As you can see, you need to purchase (learn?) also skill levels (red 1, 2, 3 between abilities icons) to unlock abilities. I don't know if you buy them with skill points (IIRC it was stated in some Q&A that you spend skill point for ability OR new/next level of skill) or you learn them in other way.
Elvin said:
alcibiades said:
When we see only the first level at Earth Magic, is that because this class is limited only to level 1, or is it just because second level only shows after first level is acquired?
There is a show all skills button in the screen
I think you misunderstand my question, or maybe I was unclear. Let me try to elaborate.
In the picture, we see that hero has a number of skills. Notice that:
- Bloodrage is maxed out: 3 skill levels lit up, 3 abilities picked.
- Diplomacy is expert level, but only one ability is picked.
- Destiny is advanced level, only one ability is picked. Apparantly this class is cut off from learning expert Destiny, because the third level is not shown (neither lit nor unlit).
- Warfare is advanced level, but this class can get expert level, because level 3 is shown (but not lit).
- Defence is basic level. This class can get at least advanced level (level 2 is shown but unlit). However, from the screenshot, we can't see whether this class will be able to learn expert level defence, because maybe level 3 (unlit) will only appear once we select level 2.
- Earth Magic can be learned at least at level 1, but again, we don't know if further levels will appear once level 1 is activated.
Problem is we don't see any skills where there is more than one unlit level - and hence we don't know whether interface will show all available levels as unlit when not picked (which would be logical, but then again, you never know ...), or only will show the next unlearned level as unlit.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 28, 2015 12:33 PM |
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted March 28, 2015 12:51 PM |
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Go ahaid, I know you want to! 
On a similar note: In the screenshot, we see that this class has access to 10 skills: 3 at expert level, 3 at advanced level, 4 at basic level. Are these the only skills this class has access to? If that's the case, we have a total of 3x6 + 3x4 + 4x2 = 38 skills and abilities, plus possibly some ultimate ability - still, we are in the vicinity of 40 skill options, which means your hero build will always be 75 % identical within the same class, once (if) you reach level 30. Can this really be true? If this is so, it's extremely lame, and a critical issue that needs to be addressed!
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What will happen now?
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted March 28, 2015 12:53 PM |
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Ok, the time has come for the town- please, forgive me - military outpost screen!
Sorry for white fields, it was ripped from PDF-file.
What the hell, why doesn't the HC post a picture?..
Aha, now it posts in in big format... ok, sorry for that guys.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 28, 2015 12:57 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 12:57, 28 Mar 2015.
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
