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ThatRedSarah
Famous Hero
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 06:17 PM |
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Neovius said:
Warcries are pretty much just another magic school exclusive for might heroes.
Yep, it does seem like it. They are just familiar mass version spells with fancy names to distract people... I was kinda hoping for some actual battle tactic commands... something that spells are not already doing... the artillery support is kinda like that, but rest just... meh...
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted April 10, 2015 06:39 PM |
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Thes sound extremely boring and very one-sided as well. 80% attacking skills would only make sense for stronghold but any other faction would preferably have some defensive or mobility oriented skills.
The bad thing is that spells are probably going to be just as lame as these warcries in order to protect the precious "balance" of the game.
Atleast we'll have 7 schools of boring sh*t instead of just 4.
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"Now I am become Chris, the destroyer of worlds." - Robert Oppenheimer.
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 06:45 PM |
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fuChris said:
Thes sound extremely boring and very one-sided as well. 80% attacking skills would only make sense for stronghold but any other faction would preferably have some defensive or mobility oriented skills.
The bad thing is that spells are probably going to be just as lame as these warcries in order to protect the precious "balance" of the game.
Atleast we'll have 7 schools of boring sh*t instead of just 4.
Well, with Attention having a defense buff, as well as it's sole ability upgrade  it adds upgrades to retaliation, so there are sort of 2 defensive cries, Attention and Hold Position. But, still, yeah, this gives little hope.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 06:49 PM |
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The_Green_Drag
Supreme Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 06:50 PM |
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So on top of having a stronger army because of better stats, might heroes now have their own set of spells to make their armies even stronger and move across the battlefield faster...
Might heroes can't master air magic for instance, so mass haste won't be at their disposal. But they can get a warcry that basically does what mass haste would do...Same could be said with spells like precision, or bloodrage, or prayer. Just watering the game down  
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted April 10, 2015 06:55 PM |
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We can only guess when/if they will realize that we do not want to play starcraft of might and magic and that this kind of bland gameplay simply doesn't fit a chesslike TBS game.
Stevie said:
I have this urge of making my own Heroes game right now
Funny but I also had the same thought just this morning but then I remembered that
a,Ubi would probably sue me instantly and
b,I'm not doing their job for them.
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"Now I am become Chris, the destroyer of worlds." - Robert Oppenheimer.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 06:58 PM |
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Sue? What for? As long as you don't aim to make any profit out of it, you guys are free to make any Heroes games you wish, lol. 
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JotunLogi
Known Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 07:28 PM |
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I like warcries- imo they are really good and if all skills in the game will be similar, then skillwheel will not be bad- even quite good
THey are varied enough, give many bonuses, I see progression with each level- master skill is really nice and sounds powerful, also expert are decent and worth investing points.
Graphics is nice, I do not have trauma with previous Heroes  :winky
I do not like 2 things:
- overuse of mysterious "X" number that does not tell me much. Is this a strict number, some kind of multiplication or what, does it change over time- and if yeas, on which factors its value depends?
- if all skills in the game look similar, game would sound like law and would be somewhat complicated (in terms of inerface and understanding of mechanics rather than challenge)
Why?
in certrain situation under certain circumstances there will be certain X effect- having in mind all skills in the game while leveling up and using them on the battlefield- it will take a while to fully adapt to it
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Kronos1000
Promising
Supreme Hero
Fryslân Boppe
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posted April 10, 2015 07:28 PM |
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This is not looking good. Might heroes are already quite powerful, so they are given something extra? Keep in mind that there are might heroes that specialise in magic skills, while magic heroes do not have access to Warcries. This seems really imbalanced.
Even Heroes 6 had a better system, as Warcries were available to both hero types.
My enthusiasm dropped considerably these last few days.
Stevie said:
I have this urge of making my own Heroes game right now
I understand how you feel, but Ubisoft probably wouldn't like it. 
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Hwær cwom mearg? Hwær cwom mago?
Hwær cwom maþþumgyfa? - 'The Wanderer'
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 07:33 PM |
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Kronos1000 said:
Stevie said:
I have this urge of making my own Heroes game right now
I understand how you feel, but Ubisoft probably wouldn't like it.
But I just... ...urgh, forget it.
Haven't you guy heard of 'fangames' before, or something?
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted April 10, 2015 07:35 PM |
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JotunLogi said:
- overuse of mysterious "X" number that does not tell me much. Is this a strict number, some kind of multiplication or what, does it change over time- and if yeas, on which factors its value depends?
The "X" is just a placeholder because the values are changing all the time as we're still testing/balancing stuff. In the final game these will be actual numbers 
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 07:37 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 19:37, 10 Apr 2015.
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Kronos1000
Promising
Supreme Hero
Fryslân Boppe
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posted April 10, 2015 07:40 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Haven't you guy heard of 'fangames' before, or something?
Of course, but I've also heard of DMCA claims. Granted, Ubisoft is not Nintendo, but I wouldn't risk it with Heroes 7 on the horizon.
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Hwær cwom mearg? Hwær cwom mago?
Hwær cwom maþþumgyfa? - 'The Wanderer'
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 07:42 PM |
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Marzhin said:
The "X" is just a placeholder because the values are changing all the time as we're still testing/balancing stuff. In the final game these will be actual numbers
Hold on, you're saying they'll be stagnant numbers? Not affected by skill ranks or increased level/attack/defense values?
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted April 10, 2015 07:42 PM |
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man, those warcries are so by-the-numbers... why are they all just unimaginative stat boosts?
Attention + Artillery Support is mildly interesting but everything else, I mean Jesus, I'll just stick to magic thanks lol
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JotunLogi
Known Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 07:46 PM |
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THank You very much for Your answer! 
It sounds good although I hope that it will scale a bit- investing points in warcries and leveling it to higher level (from novice to expert, from expert to master and finally from master to grandmaster) will increase X value just a little 
Overall warcries sound quite decent and seem to be interesting option. But they can be overpowered and as Stevie has noticed- they act a bit like mass spells (and those should not be that many and probably spreaded in various magic schools)- they sound a bit like absolute "must" for every hero (I hope that all skills would be similar- that would make game interesting!)
Edit: Ok, Stevie mentioned spell buffs, I have exaggerated mass spells
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted April 10, 2015 07:47 PM |
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Protolisk said:
Marzhin said:
The "X" is just a placeholder because the values are changing all the time as we're still testing/balancing stuff. In the final game these will be actual numbers
Hold on, you're saying they'll be stagnant numbers? Not affected by skill ranks or increased level/attack/defense values?
No, I'm saying that the "X" is a placeholder symbol at this stage. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted April 10, 2015 08:59 PM |
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Why people are so inactive regarding the skill system? They had so much enrgy to critisize Necropolis and when it comes to the aspect, that matters the most (gameplay, at least IMO), they remain silent? I can't understand that.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted April 10, 2015 09:02 PM |
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No energy left, sorry
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted April 10, 2015 09:04 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Why people are so inactive regarding the skill system? They had so much enrgy to critisize Necropolis and when it comes to the aspect, that matters the most (gameplay, at least IMO), they remain silent? I can't understand that.
don't look at me, all I can tell you is lore is more important than gameplay in the world of Ashan lol
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