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Zombi_Wizzard
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posted May 09, 2015 07:38 AM |
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alcibiades said:
Comparing H2 Castle and H7 Haven towns makes sense because the environment of these two are very similar (medieval style town in mountain setting. Comparing the two, it's extremely obvious that in the H2 version, you can very clearly distinguish each individual building, and many of them send a clear message about what their function is (jousting grounds, archery range, cathedral, layered mage guild, etc.). Looking at the H7 equivalent, however, this element is completely gone. It's literally impossible to figure out where each building stops and the next begins, and from most of the buildings, I haven't got a single clue about what their function is - I honestly can't even figure out which building is the mage guild when I look at it, much less what building belongs to what creature. I'm sorry, but that IS a problem!
Now I DO agree with this. But on the other hand, I also disslike H5 town screens for this veary reason. I realy hated H5 Inferno town and in general I'm not a fond of 3D towns much. There were better ones amongst them sure, and they somewhat worked, but 2D screens have advantage of seeing individual buildings and their function. I also DO NOT MIND the giant Elrath statue for this same reason - it's atleast big enough so you know it's a grail. I agree that H7 town has flaws, but I also have single standard for all towns, previous and present. And If I am prepared to accept the notion that some buildings and mountains float (hang realy) in mid air in Academy town screen, then much smaller logcial flaws don't realy bother me anymore. To me, it's far more plausible, that bunch of spider cultists (even tho idea of them it's silly they ARE), would build town in shape of a spider, than a giant island would float in mid air. In fact, I don't even apply logic with town screens. It's just too silly.
P.S.: And yes - Elrath's statue might not be a statue at all, but could be avatar or something else ... idk- it dosen't even matter. BUT I do think that someone who dosen't aprove of it, MUST ALSO BY DEFINITION opose the H3 Inferno town for EXACT SAME POINT.
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Danny
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posted May 09, 2015 08:00 AM |
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Protolisk said:
Danny said:
So Sylvan stuff can be expected next month?
Yeah, it seems they want a months break between reveals.
I'm still waiting for the Warfare units for Stronghold and Necro, though.
Well it's not as much of a reveal anymore since we know what units will be in and also the concept of town screen, also the town theme music if I'm not wrong. Warfare units are not as important as creature abilities in my opinion.
Only 4 months left till release date, wonder if they are really ready with Sylvan and Dungeon plus the two revamped Necropolis creatures, I remember H6 got a huge delay early 2011...
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted May 09, 2015 10:07 AM |
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Zombi_Wizzard said:
Now I DO agree with this. But on the other hand, I also disslike H5 town screens for this veary reason.
Inarguably, H5 traded the (direct) functionality of the H1-4 townscreens over aesthetics. Whether one found that a good trade is obviously subjective, so no problem in disagreeing on that point - I never used the direct-at-dwelling hire mechanism since H3, so I didn't miss it, but obviously if one didn't like the art-style of H5 towns, it might come out as a bade trade. Either way, problem is that H7 seems to have neither functionality nor aesthetics, while I would go as far as arguing that it's actually possible to have both at the same time, cf. the Heroes-online Haven screen shown above, but arguably, that will require allocating substantial resources to that department (if nothing else, to pay for some good artists).
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Stevie
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posted May 09, 2015 11:40 AM |
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Zombi_Wizzard said:
To me, it's far more plausible, that bunch of spider cultists (even tho idea of them it's silly they ARE), would build town in shape of a spider, than a giant island would float in mid air. In fact, I don't even apply logic with town screens. It's just too silly.
I'm happy you managed to abandon your faculties in order to enjoy the game. Sadly, I can't do the same.
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JotunLogi
Known Hero
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posted May 09, 2015 12:21 PM |
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In hoMM 2 castles are limited to few buildings so each must be unique due to low amount of them.
Since HoMM 3 generally the town developement is represented by houses of its inabitants- and generally towns are much more detailed so automatically there must be more buildings and by that- those must ba smaller. It is harder to distinguissh them
i agree that there should be several diferent and more visible structures (especially n terms of colours cause some of them are quite memorable) but as a whole it looks good and pleasant
HoMM 2 structures are great but also have flaws- I like the thing that now almost everything is protected by walls and is within the town actually
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Sempai
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Ubi is love
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posted May 09, 2015 12:45 PM |
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Athos said:
Sorry mate, just sounds like you're reaching for any kind of criticism you can muster. It's pretty much understood, and rightfully so in my opinion, that extravagant TSs are not worth the cost and effort for something that most ignore fairly early on in gameplay. Prior to H5, town screens were pretty basic affairs. The H5 TS to me was a neat visual but not really helpful by virtue of 3D perspective. You seem easily moved by worthless eye candy.
Such a sweet excuse for degradation :3 You are talking like the spare budget has been aimed to improve other parts of the game hahaha but it hasn't. I don't try to criticize just for criticizing. But with that I'm not seeking for poor excuses, I see no reason for that. If the thing goes wrong, I need to admit it. That's all.
With that I'm almost happy with orcs town and I consider it as a normal one. Visuals are not the first thing to me at all but there's no need to deny that thay don't matter at all. In heroes 5 townscreens added much epicness and were pretty beautiful to my mind. And there was no place that time to say "Good TS are not worth the cost and efforts". What has changed, mate?
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted May 09, 2015 12:48 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 12:49, 09 May 2015.
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Stevie said:
Zombi_Wizzard said:
To me, it's far more plausible, that bunch of spider cultists (even tho idea of them it's silly they ARE), would build town in shape of a spider, than a giant island would float in mid air. In fact, I don't even apply logic with town screens. It's just too silly.
I'm happy you managed to abandon your faculties in order to enjoy the game. Sadly, I can't do the same.
Your looking for logic in a magical world? Full of dragons, necromancy/magic, floating islands/cities and demons that mutate newborns by just standing around?
A town shaped like a spider is "out there" for you? Now if the series was more like game thrones then yeah sure I can understand your point.
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LizardWarrior
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the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 09, 2015 12:51 PM |
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You're looking for logic in a magical world? Full of spiders, spider Buddhists, floating spiders and spiders that corrupt the game by just standing around?
here, fixed that for ya 
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lokdron
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posted May 09, 2015 12:54 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
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You're looking for logic in a magical world? Full of spider, spider Buddhists, floating spiders and spiders that corrupt the game by just standing around?
here, fixed that for ya
Really spider buddhists? Considering what Arantir was doing in dark messiah and he was all about the cult you sure don't know much about Buddhism.
Hell even in heroes 6 Vein adoptive daughter said they should enslave the haven heroes as cattle for the vampires and she is the "nice" option.
This community sometimes. 
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted May 09, 2015 12:56 PM |
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he was all about the cult you sure don't know much about Buddhism.
Welp. That were Lord's Erwan words actually about spider buddhist. U gonna argue with the Lord of Le Bretonia? 
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lokdron
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posted May 09, 2015 01:00 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 13:05, 09 May 2015.
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Sempai said:
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he was all about the cult you sure don't know much about Buddhism.
Welp. That were Lord's Erwan words actually about spider buddhist. U gonna argue with the Lord of Le Bretonia?
The only thing that is similar is the fact that they have a whole denial of self thing going with their emotions. That's how far the similarity goes. They don't give a crap about charity or "helping" others and their version of charity is undeath and their version of helping the living is freeing people from the "chains" of life.
Very Buddhist like right? Almost all the factions in the game have some similarity of something from real life but they are not the same completely.
Heck they are an extreme version of order since they follow asha while urgash and demons are about embracing their emotions to the fullest extent.
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Zombi_Wizzard
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posted May 09, 2015 01:04 PM |
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Stevie said:
Zombi_Wizzard said:
To me, it's far more plausible, that bunch of spider cultists (even tho idea of them it's silly they ARE), would build town in shape of a spider, than a giant island would float in mid air. In fact, I don't even apply logic with town screens. It's just too silly.
I'm happy you managed to abandon your faculties in order to enjoy the game. Sadly, I can't do the same.
So ... you are saying you DON'T want illogical stuff ... I can understand that. It also means you wouldn't aprove of ... levitating brain with eye in the middle shooting lasers, Islands hanging in mid air, people with oversized swords and armor, 3 headed dogs, human bones with no muscles moving about, humanoid moving and cognitive aware trees, birds made of fire... Just where would you draw the arbitrary line?
But ... I will say this. I actualy DISSAPROVE of spider cult ... but I just don't care about it enough I guess.
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Sligneris
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posted May 09, 2015 01:17 PM |
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lokdron said:
This community sometimes.
Sometimes? More like always, lol. They are always condescendingly ignorant like this.
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Stevie
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posted May 09, 2015 01:37 PM |
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Zombi_Wizzard said:
So ... you are saying you DON'T want illogical stuff ... I can understand that. It also means you wouldn't aprove of ... levitating brain with eye in the middle shooting lasers, Islands hanging in mid air, people with oversized swords and armor, 3 headed dogs, human bones with no muscles moving about, humanoid moving and cognitive aware trees, birds made of fire... Just where would you draw the arbitrary line?
I don't want silly stuff, that's all. A flying city above the clouds for an Academy town is cool. A rock with giant spider legs for a Necropolis town is utter bullsnow. The purpose of visuals or a fantasy concept is not to be entrenched in realism necessarily, it is to convey the right feeling which makes you like it. The only feeling I get from the Necropolis townscreen displaying a town with spider legs + pyramids is that of a facepalm inducing stupidity.
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LizardWarrior
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posted May 09, 2015 01:41 PM |
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lokdron said:
Really spider buddhists? Considering what Arantir was doing in dark messiah and he was all about the cult you sure don't know much about Buddhism.
Hell even in heroes 6 Vein adoptive daughter said they should enslave the haven heroes as cattle for the vampires and she is the "nice" option.
This community sometimes.
Erwan said they were spider Buddhists, these were his words. You can listen to the interview if you don't believe me.
Sligneris said:
Sometimes? More like always, lol. They are always condescendingly ignorant like this.
We should all thank Spider Messiah Erwan for you, gifting such a blessing to our ignorant community is the truly work of his spiderness. We, the condescendingly ignorant heathens, should all bow before the great and mighty and extremely modest Sligneris, because that was his spidery word. Amen
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted May 09, 2015 01:46 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
We should all thank Spider Messiah Erwan for you, gifting such a blessing to our ignorant community is the truly work of his spiderness. We, the condescendingly ignorant heathens, should all bow before the great and mighty and extremely modest Sligneris, because that was his spidery word. Amen
Thanks for further proving my point. 
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted May 09, 2015 01:51 PM |
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Edited by Sempai at 13:54, 09 May 2015.
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Stevie said:
I don't want silly stuff, that's all. The only feeling I get from the Necropolis townscreen displaying a town with spider legs + pyramids is that of a facepalm inducing stupidity.
Shuuuuun! Shuuuun! Heretic non-believer! There's no point in putting much efforts into a townscreen! All the same you don't look at them! And you can close your eyes when entering the city! Let the developers do their work! Let them aim their budget to something more important (spiders DLCs)! Let's make the environment more friendly and prepurchase the game to show them our wisdom and respect! (c) Random Ubi-Lover.
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Stevie
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posted May 09, 2015 01:51 PM |
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JotunLogi
Known Hero
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posted May 09, 2015 01:53 PM |
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I guess there are so many spider elements in the game cause so many of us focus on animal kingdom instead on fantasy elements and is even more fanatical in the spider topic than Erwan has ever been
Istead discussing about universe and mechanics, most of the time is spent on the same discussions about spiders- over and over again. I am not suprised that there are so many spder elements cause it seems to be only thing that is talked all the time and the thing that keep the interest...
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted May 09, 2015 01:53 PM |
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Sempai said:
Shuuuuun! Shuuuun! Heretic non-believer! There's no point in putting much efforts into a townscreen! All the same you don't look at them! And you can close your eyes when entering the city! Let the developers do their work! Let them aim their budget to something more important (spiders DLCs)! Let's make the environment more friendly and prepurchase the game to show them our wisdom and respect! (c) Random Ubi-Lover.
You know, it's funny when you consider that "Ubi-Lovers" don't exactly talk like that in any circumstances, while "NWC-Lovers", on the other hand are hard to mock and exaggerate, because most of their statements are already over the top and preachy by themselves.
Stevie said:
Sligneris said:
Sometimes? More like always, lol. They are always condescendingly ignorant like this.
I think you should check your privileges.
I humbly apologize that I dared to not accept everything I'm given by the people who claim to know better and that I didn't follow the crowd blindly, as you expect every 'troo' fan to.
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