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Sleeping_Sun
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posted June 25, 2015 03:38 PM |
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AnkVaati said:
Elven religious tree huggers called Druids are a standard fantasy cliche well known from WoW, Warhammer and what not, replacing Sorceresses with those is another symptom of Ubi-wan:s dreadful genericization of the series.
Sorceresses were replaced by NWC first in H3 and then in H4. Ubi just followed that. No need to blame them here.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 25, 2015 03:41 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 15:49, 25 Jun 2015.
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So...people hate the druid because it is a female druid...the doe because it isnt a unicorn...the dancer because of an artwork face that we will probably not really care about once the game is released? Ok...next heroes should be a copy and paste of heroes 5. Everyone will be happy i guess
Of course not.
Personally, I have nothing about a female druid, in fact, I like the idea. I think the devs tried to please people by offering a female version of the popular h5 version. Which is a mistake, a female druid should be, well, more feminine. IMO
Unicorn, well, is, along the Elven Archer the most iconic unit of the Town, so having it missing after a decade without Sylvan is odd. The faction could be fresh and new, and still having a Unicorn. You know what, let’s go crazy and say we can replace it with something else. But a Deer, as in CoH? How original ... You want to move forward or you want not? Even using the Deer, take inspiration from stuff like in Mononoke Princess, could have worked better already. IMO
The artwork face of Blade dancer, well, I’ve seen more gentle trolling than anything else, but maybe is just me. Nevertheless, artworks could have used more love, again IMO.
Finally, no, no one would be happy with a copy paste of Heroes 5, just as much as no one would be happy with a copy paste of Heroes 3. As some others pointed out, we already have those games.
We ask for evolution that is right, but why remove what works, to replace it with something totally different? It changes the feel, hasn’t being proved being worthy of it, too many risks and not so many good decisions I think.
Like it has been said countless times already, there was enough room to take from the best games –and by best, I mean the most popular ones, and by most popular I mean, online tournament activity, amount of fan made maps and mods- and evolve from this basis.
Personally, I want to see the things I like in Heroes, but improved, and add new from there. I genuinely believe that as long as you don’t change the whole formula, things cannot go too wrong, on the contrary, but please, think about what you're doing.
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Sorceresses were replaced by NWC first in H3 and then in H4. Ubi just followed that. No need to blame them here.
Hum, no. Sylvan has not much to do with Rampart and Preserve. IMO
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Datapack
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posted June 25, 2015 03:45 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
No I didn't and I am not going to. Got a beta code thank to my site.
Aww, why not? 
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 25, 2015 03:53 PM |
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Datapack said:
Aww, why not?
3 main reasons
1: I wasn't sure my PC would run it. It actually managed to fire up the beta, which I was surprised by since some parts of my machine are deep below min. req.
2: No pre-order offer provided the things I would want for a price I would be willing to pay. I like artbooks, cards and in game content. But I am not willing to pay what they want for the colectors edition, when I don't wan't the most expensive thin in it, the statue.
3: Ubi has a bad reputation with games inicial state. AC Unity, Watchdogs, Heroes VI you name it. Some of them might have turned out to be OK or even Good games, but only with time.
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
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posted June 25, 2015 04:14 PM |
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Galaad said:
Hum, no. Sylvan has not much to do with Rampart and Preserve. IMO
Oops, yeah, my bad. Thanks for pointing out that it has more with Dungeon rather than with Sylvan. Whooh, now that that's settled we can all relax.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 25, 2015 04:17 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 16:27, 25 Jun 2015.
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Dave_Jame said:
I stated several times that H7 official artworks are not representativ examples, and do not corespond with the ingame depictions. (look at the Wyvern, ghost, Centaur or even Behomoth)
And HD as you would like, it is still lower then my resolution and zoomed out. Not even the fly-by is on them. So no. I want a cloase, rendered image, like this. This gives me an idea, not the Artework.
But you are SO WRONG. As Avonu pointed out well, the artwork is the basis for the portraits of the creatures, so yes, the Blade Dancers will have their child molester faces branded on the UI. Yet you brilliantly managed to miss her point completely, it's not even funny.
Also, ARTWORK is one thing, 3D MODEL is another. You can judge artwork for what it is and also the 3D model for what it is. Saying that you're not criticizing the artwork because you're waiting for the 3D models is firstly, unjustified in its logic because there's no such conditioning, and secondly, a cheap attempt at hiding your bias. Because why in the world would you praise anything good that Ubi does, but not criticize anything bad? Should we then not criticize Heroes 7 because Heroes 8? What an awfully unsubstantiated and fallacious position to take.
Then, that silly excuse at dismissing an E3 HD video... I'll tell tell you this much, no one buys it.
PS: There's probably a typo in your status.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted June 25, 2015 04:28 PM |
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Galaad said:
Personally, I have nothing about a female druid, in fact, I like the idea. I think the devs tried to please people by offering a female version of the popular h5 version.
Why was that popular again? I never quite got that 
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Dave_Jame
Promising
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 25, 2015 04:57 PM |
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Stevie said:
But you are SO WRONG. As Avonu pointed out well, the artwork is the basis for the portraits of the creatures, so yes, the Blade Dancers will have their child molester faces branded on the UI. Yet you brilliantly managed to miss her point completely, it's not even funny.
Also, ARTWORK is one thing, 3D MODEL is another. You can judge artwork for what it is and also the 3D model for what it is. Saying that you're not criticizing the artwork because you're waiting for the 3D models is firstly, unjustified in its logic because there's no such conditioning, and secondly, a cheap attempt at hiding your bias. Because why in the world would you praise anything good that Ubi does, but not criticize anything bad? Should we then not criticize Heroes 7 because Heroes 8? What an awfully unsubstantiated and fallacious position to take.
Then, that silly excuse at dismissing an E3 HD video... I'll tell tell you this much, no one buys it.
PS: There's probably a typo in your status.
Not really in the mood to spellcheck so sorry for the typos.
As for your points...
I really can't figure out the smirk on the Icon in the video. Icons in the game are generaly way to small, which was one of my problems with the beta, that didn't seamed to bother so many people. (And since I can't figure it out, I want to wait for a better look. Understand my point?)
About me criticizing or not criticizing: well read my posts. I criticized what I disliked the most. The overdone purple hugh on the upgraded druid, which for me, destroyed a great designe. Or my rage that the Green dragon might be a recolor of A wingles H6 dragon, or a kirin. Both option are imho unacceptable. (Judging by its icon its a H6 wingless dragon alriht)
Belive me I dislike a lot of things about the game, but they might not be the same as those you dislike. But at the same time, I try not to be bias and find some postive things I like. But worse for me, i dislike when people only criticize. I know it is easier, but it there has been more then enought ill blood here. Kind of hurts to see this forum turn to a parody or joke vesion of Celestial Heavans. IDK but I'm not laughting at the state of the game. And no Erwan jokes or Photoshoped smirks will make me feel better.
So yea, My problem is, I don't want to criticize the bladedancer as an artwork (3rd time, I dislike them in H7) but as a unit, which is a combination of Artwork, Model, gameplay. There are worse icons in the game then this one.
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leiah2
Known Hero
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posted June 25, 2015 05:06 PM |
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Edited by leiah2 at 17:06, 25 Jun 2015.
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3lion said:
Okay, I really love the Idea of native Americans style for Sylvan, and I completely confused about why art director of MMH7 didn't push in that direction even harder.
So I decided to modify the art of Druid.
I changed the face. Made it more Indian (as I did with Blade Dancer before), slanted eyes, hooked nose, full lips, pitch black hairs.
And I changed the overall garment
clickable
This looks really cool, but I am not sure if I would prefer that elves looked more like native americans. But this is a whole lot better than the official artwork imo.
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kiryu133
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Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 25, 2015 05:10 PM |
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Nah, druid don't need any changes besides removing the antlers and maybe scaling down on the braids. fixing the eyes i guess but they're clearly a mistake.
still, the edits aren't terrible, just feel they don't really add much. Druid is already really good (though i feel having druid and dryad in the same lineup is a bit redundant but pffsh)
Dave_Jame said:
Not really in the mood to spellcheck so sorry for the typos.
there's no typo, Stevie is just being an ass.
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the_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted June 25, 2015 05:38 PM |
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I wish the master hunter would lose the hood and get some kind of hat like the elf in h1 and h2 had. Then the elder Druid can wear a hood instead of a deer headress which looks idiotic with deer in the army.
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted June 25, 2015 05:47 PM |
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Btw, does anyone know what those things at the bottom of the druid elder her cloak are supposed to be? I quite like her overall look though the druid looks better, but these pointy things at the bottom of her cloak leave me puzzled. They look a bit like butterflies, but the shape is completely off for those...
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted June 25, 2015 05:56 PM |
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Steyn said:
Btw, does anyone know what those things at the bottom of the druid elder her cloak are supposed to be? I quite like her overall look though the druid looks better, but these pointy things at the bottom of her cloak leave me puzzled. They look a bit like butterflies, but the shape is completely off for those...
I've been asking myself that same question since the day the pictures have been released. I think that we'll never find out what those things are.
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kiryu133
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Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 25, 2015 06:02 PM |
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so what creature will be large? dragon/treant and deers so far. seems like a very small amount compared with the other factions who has at least 2 non-champion large.
btw, think those things on the druid are stones or gems of some sort. kinda look like topaz/ruby etc.
that or butterflies with large wings. that'd work too
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted June 25, 2015 06:09 PM |
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Fight on Dave_Jame kidding but damn,can't no one have a cool head about things?and when that someone appears e'rbody acts like he is an ubisoft worshipper!!!
It's been 5 pages about the blade dancer's face on the freaking portrait!!!!! Can we leave this alone????
And enough with the rapist jokes,it's highly immature and not that funny.stop beating that horse,it died at day one.
Beside a facial expression gives some character to the unit.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted June 25, 2015 06:21 PM |
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Sleeping_Sun said:
Steyn said:
Btw, does anyone know what those things at the bottom of the druid elder her cloak are supposed to be? I quite like her overall look though the druid looks better, but these pointy things at the bottom of her cloak leave me puzzled. They look a bit like butterflies, but the shape is completely off for those...
I've been asking myself that same question since the day the pictures have been released. I think that we'll never find out what those things are.
Me too.
That's why I hate Ubisoft designs. They are so over-the-top that they make the simplest arts (Druid) look silly (Upg).
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 25, 2015 06:29 PM |
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Another question Which of the core/elites will be the "Stronger one"
I honestly do not know who to hope for.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted June 25, 2015 06:32 PM |
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Hunters & Druids would be my choice - Deers don't look strong enough to me to fit that role.
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted June 25, 2015 06:36 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Another question Which of the core/elites will be the "Stronger one"
I honestly do not know who to hope for.
Maybe:
Dryad? > Hunter? > Pixie
Or
Hunter? > Dryad? > Pixie
Stag > Druid > Dancer
Green-marked units have been more or less confirmed by the unit stats from the leaked video:
Name | Level | Health | Damage | Might | Defence | Range | Movement | Moral | Luck | Initiative? |
Dragon | Champ.| 210 | 43-51 | 27 | 24 | - | 4 | 23 | 7 | 18 |
M. Doe | Elite | 105 | 20-26 | 19 | 15 | - | 7 | 18 | 12 | 37 |
Dancer | Elite | 35 | 10-14 | 11 | 9 | - | 6 | 18 | 7 | 29 |
Pixie | Core | 11 | 2-2 | 5 | 6 | - | 6 | 18 | 12 | 35 |
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 25, 2015 06:42 PM |
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So the Deer is the top for sure and the pixie isn't (11hp is to low).
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