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LucPatenaude
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Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted July 20, 2015 04:17 PM |
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Potential for more as for HoMM5? Of course.
Please, go check it out in the H5 Modders Workshop's Forum Thread.
A major mod. is in the works and, currently, in Beta status.
It's name: Heroes of Might & Magic 5.5
Theses modders really do have the intention of making this mod. as important as WoG was for Heroes 3.
By the looks of it all, it has a lot of potential at satisfying the people whom really dislike both Heroes 6 and the next title of Heroes 7. I, myself, will, definitely, download it and install it, as soon that it is in official completed state. I do not intend at discarding H5, just yet. Unless, Windows 10 x64 gets to have issues with its, now aging, inner programming codings.
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PROJ
Known Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 04:18 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
PROJ said:
i've played homm 3 for many hundreds of hours actually, and i've watched quite a bit of top level tournament play (not just "random streams"). I've also been playing games competitively since 2001. The community here is really insular and out of touch with a lot of things going on in the world of design. Outside of this little bubble, homm 3 is little more than a nostalgic throwback to gamers' childhoods. As a modern game, it would fail to have any sort of longevity, because its mechanics are outdated. I actually enjoy homm V a lot (and I think it's by far the best in the series and shows how much potential it has), and even homm vi had some good ideas (although very flawed execution, and unfortunately a lot of technical problems).
A vast majority of the people here are extremely casual gamers and don't have the perspective to understand what's really going on in these games. For example, that homm 3 plays more like a roguelike than a strategy game, and that most of homm 3 is basically an obfuscated spreadsheet (optimizing hero creeping against the AI) rather than truly a "strategy" game. The pushback against criticism of homm 3 (or the fact that a thread on town screen graphics is 47 pages long, lol) is pretty damning evidence of that.
It's not a troll to have some standards
By your logic, the most brilliant games of the last decade are bad because they don't fit the graphics criteria.
wow, you couldn't be more off base with that (esp. since most of my favorite games come from around 1998-2002 time period). I think it's pretty obvious I was pointing out that people have posted 47 pages regarding ultra-subjective graphics in town screens, which have no bearing on any of the actual gameplay, while there is almost no talk about the actual game mechanics in comparison. That's some pretty casual stuff.
I have a notepad file on my desktop of several of the Eastern european/russian vods from their homm 3 tournaments that demonstrate my points pretty well in regards to the gameplay. I'll pull it out sometime if people keep insisting about homm 3 gameplay being superior to later iterations.
As for the implication that homm v is most like homm 3, I mean, I guess on the surface it might seem like that, but the game is so much more balanced and strategically and tactically rich. The tactical combat differences between the two are night and day. All you have to do is compare duel tournaments of homm v to, well, any battle from homm 3. So much more depth in homm v.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted July 20, 2015 04:20 PM |
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PROJ said:
The community here is really insular and out of touch with a lot of things going on in the world of design. Outside of this little bubble, homm 3 is little more than a nostalgic throwback to gamers' childhoods.
Actually, I think you are wrong in this, even if I think that you (sadly) have some correct points in some of the other things you say (it is, arguably, true that we in this community act like a group of grumpy old men, scuffing at all change, whether it be justified or not). I work as a teacher, and the kids I teach these years were born in the late 90's, ie. are way too young to remember the time when H3 came out. Yet these kids still play Heroes 3 during their breaks and think it's an awesome game.
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 04:23 PM |
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I thought this site had a age gate...
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted July 20, 2015 04:24 PM |
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PROJ said:
i've played homm 3 for many hundreds of hours actually, and i've watched quite a bit of top level tournament play (not just "random streams"). I've also been playing games competitively since 2001.
Playing online =/= being an expert. So, I've watched too top level tournament play as well as random streams, I also played online for some time, what makes your opinion better than mine again? Watching is pretty much next to nothing, like saying "professional soccer is easy because I watched a lot of matches and it involves only kicking a ball around, I can do it 100 better than any of these dudes that are make 10 million every season".
PROJ said:
The community here is really insular and out of touch with a lot of things going on in the world of design. Outside of this little bubble, homm 3 is little more than a nostalgic throwback to gamers' childhoods.
Oh please, just look at the number of sites, not only in English, but also the Chinese and Russian communities which are way bigger. Every map sites has far more heroes 3 maps than any other heroes game. Even on general gaming sites heroes 3 pops up far more than other games, hell even on sites whit lots of topics heroes 3 pops up far more.
PROJ said:
As a modern game, it would fail to have any sort of longevity, because its mechanics are outdated. I actually enjoy homm V a lot (and I think it's by far the best in the series and shows how much potential it has), and even homm vi had some good ideas (although very flawed execution, and unfortunately a lot of technical problems).
That's solely based on graphics, you can't compare 15 year old game with a modern one, of course. Graphics sells as we can see from Ubi era heroes as heroes 6 failed dramatically as it was bug-ridden beyond any limit, yet they still have the resources to continue . Now I see that you haven't brought any argument to back your claim up, not even a personal opinion.
PROJ said:
A vast majority of the people here are extremely casual gamers and don't have the perspective to understand what's really going on in these games. For example, that homm 3 plays more like a roguelike than a strategy game, and that most of homm 3 is basically an obfuscated spreadsheet (optimizing hero creeping against the AI) rather than truly a "strategy" game. The pushback against criticism of homm 3 (or the fact that a thread on town screen graphics is 47 pages long, lol) is pretty damning evidence of that.
I have played a lot of strategy games, both online and vs AI and I can guarantee you that after a time at expert level everything will resume to a certain algorithm, but that doesn't mean that it becomes less enjoyable. After a time you will learn the game paterns, its limits, the most efficient way to play it will be discovered and it will be obsolete to play (competitively) other way as you will always lose against an opponent that uses the best algorithm.
PROJ said:
It's not a troll to have some standards
No, but it's a troll to be troll. 
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 04:25 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 16:27, 20 Jul 2015.
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PROJ said:
EnergyZ said:
By your logic, the most brilliant games of the last decade are bad because they don't fit the graphics criteria.
wow, you couldn't be more off base with that (esp. since most of my favorite games come from around 1998-2002 time period). I think it's pretty obvious I was pointing out that people have posted 47 pages regarding ultra-subjective graphics in town screens, which have no bearing on any of the actual gameplay, while there is almost no talk about the actual game mechanics in comparison. That's some pretty casual stuff.
LMAO. This guy, lol. You just missed.... the entire board except that 47 pages townscreen thread, right? Because there have been tens of threads regarding gameplay features.
Yea, sorry. Zero tolerance for your bogus.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted July 20, 2015 04:26 PM |
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why are all of you guys taking such obvious bait lol
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted July 20, 2015 04:34 PM |
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"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted July 20, 2015 04:38 PM |
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Uh-Oh! I feel that the next posts will, definitely, have dark humour included...
in their posts.
Of course there's age gate on this site. Not a new born and, not too old to discriminate anything that is from the early times of information technology.
To criticize anything that is Might & Magic Heroes Series' titles is, quite, the whole point in having this Forum site, you know.
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PROJ
Known Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 04:48 PM |
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Stevie said:
PROJ said:
EnergyZ said:
By your logic, the most brilliant games of the last decade are bad because they don't fit the graphics criteria.
wow, you couldn't be more off base with that (esp. since most of my favorite games come from around 1998-2002 time period). I think it's pretty obvious I was pointing out that people have posted 47 pages regarding ultra-subjective graphics in town screens, which have no bearing on any of the actual gameplay, while there is almost no talk about the actual game mechanics in comparison. That's some pretty casual stuff.
LMAO. This guy, lol. You just missed.... the entire board except that 47 pages townscreen thread, right? Because there have been tens of threads regarding gameplay features.
Yea, sorry. Zero tolerance for your bogus.
oh sorry i forgot the 25 page lore thread LOL
or maybe you're talking about the 4 page thread speculating about magic abilities. That one is fun because apparently everyone was too busy being mad about townscreens to test it in the beta that was open for 2 weeks, so instead there's just rampant speculation with little or no empirical evidence. Kind of like that lizard guy that snowes about the flanking system every chance he gets with 0 evidence to support what he's saying.
Go on, add on the aggregate pages dealing with 'fluff' content vs. actual game mechanics. Then figure out how many of the game mechanics posts are just speculation vs. actual testing.
I'll be waiting, or are you just a troll?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 20, 2015 04:58 PM |
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It was apparently not enough to (legally) steal JVC's creation, let's get rid of the fan base as well.
snow off Ubi.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted July 20, 2015 05:30 PM |
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so the naga thing...
eh, still reeks of "look at all these details we have to explain why a faction can't be in the game despite saying that we don't want them too would be enough!"
blergh.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 05:36 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
so the naga thing...
eh, still reeks of "look at all these details we have to explain why a faction can't be in the game despite saying that we don't want them too would be enough!"
blergh.
I think after a certain point,whatever useful article about ashan lore is going to get treated like this just for the sake of it in here.
I found the article most useful and enjoyed it quite frankly. Also it tries to justify the medusae in ashan dungeon. I'm not yet convinced, but I'll cringe less when playing dungeon because of this article. I'll wait for a sanctuary expansion next year.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 05:37 PM |
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted July 20, 2015 05:57 PM |
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Article is totally unnecessary. I can live without such fillers that are made to stall flow of information.
What I can't understand is the mind of the person responsible for order of articles.
Vote starting in the middle of the week and ending without any further information about beta... And then this filler articles after that. Why are they waiting to announce the date of the start of the next beta? Why they are not starting with Dungeon reveal when it is known that it will be in the next beta?
Why are we fed with this lore garbage and not given some relevant information?
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 06:02 PM |
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted July 20, 2015 06:03 PM |
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Stevie said:
Article was fine.
At least I can't say anything anything major and negative about it.
And these people think all we do is complain. Hmph. Who knows, maybe it'll end up something like H4 was to H3: impressive writing, rough gameplay.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted July 20, 2015 06:06 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Article is totally unnecessary. I can live without such fillers that are made to stall flow of information.
What I can't understand is the mind of the person responsible for order of articles.
Vote starting in the middle of the week and ending without any further information about beta... And then this filler articles after that. Why are they waiting to announce the date of the start of the next beta? Why they are not starting with Dungeon reveal when it is known that it will be in the next beta?
Why are we fed with this lore garbage and not given some relevant information?
finally, for the first time in human history and hopefully not the last, I get to say the words "I agree with Dark Whisperer" lol
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted July 20, 2015 06:07 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Why are we fed with this lore garbage and not given some relevant information?
What drama queen.
Besides, we know these articles would appear soon. Plus, they have to wait until Dungeon gets nearly finished. Not only that, but we don't know when beta will be launched, do we?
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted July 20, 2015 06:07 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
What I can't understand is the mind of the person responsible for order of articles.
There is no point questioning the will of the Glorious Leader.
As for the article, eh... ok we get it, Naga are chinese influenced, why not include that Naga children make iPhones for the rich kids in the Silver Cities to hammer the point home. Atleast the Naga Queen doesn't look like this.
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
