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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted July 20, 2015 06:16 PM |
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Stevie said:
All in due time. We had these Tales articles coming for quite a while now, haven't we?
My point exactly. If they wanted to present this lore articles they should do them first and vote after, following with beta start announcement and Dungeon reveal.
Person that chooses order of articles and votes doesn't know anything about hype building and marketing.
When you start announcing exciting stuff and try to get "hype train" rolling you don't press break pedal to reveal how Naga society works or write few sentences about some Thranduil wannabe.
If they didn't figure out the beta start date and/or dungeon isn't finished yet what was the point of the vote at this time?
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted July 20, 2015 06:18 PM |
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Stevie said:
Article was fine.
Agreed. It was a nice thing to read. I don't want to get myself engaged into this discussion, so I will join Avonu and get myself some popcorn (even a true one). 
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted July 20, 2015 06:23 PM |
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I enjoyed the read. Some info on the next Beta would be nice too, maybe in the next few days.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted July 20, 2015 06:25 PM |
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I'd like to believe that they are keeping a slow pace of major and minor articles. For example the Sylvan release could be considered a major article release that went on for 2 weeks if i am not mistaken. At the end of the Sylvan reveal some feelers started to appear along with major news about the beta ending vote. I guess the news about the beta will be presented on Friday along with a tease for dungeon to create momentum for next week.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted July 20, 2015 06:43 PM |
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PROJ said:
As for the implication that homm v is most like homm 3, I mean, I guess on the surface it might seem like that, but the game is so much more balanced and strategically and tactically rich. The tactical combat differences between the two are night and day. All you have to do is compare duel tournaments of homm v to, well, any battle from homm 3. So much more depth in homm v.
I cannot deny that H5 has more content than H3. Nor do I intend to. But, some people complain it was also buggy in the first release. Fortunately, I am not like those people. However, it still has flaws; it is too "slow", due to everything being 3D.
Besides, it is bit unfair to compare such games. By that logic, H5 would make H1, H2, H3 and H4 like shadow of H5. One should compare it to the time these games were released. And all of these are good (well, maybe H4 not so much), but H6 is a no-no.
And what's the deal with graphics, anyway? Feels like today more emphasis is given towards "real" graphics than gameplay itself. And not just in Heroes franchise, but a lot of other ones.
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Cyrca
Bad-mannered
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 20, 2015 09:35 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Article is totally unnecessary. I can live without such fillers that are made to stall flow of information.
well that's great but you're one person. And they arent made to "stall the flow of information", if they werent made, there wouldnt be anything on the website today, period.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 11:00 PM |
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Edited by Kimarous at 23:01, 20 Jul 2015.
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dark-whisperer said:
Article is totally unnecessary. I can live without such fillers that are made to stall flow of information.
I wouldn't say totally unnecessary. There was a particular passage that stuck out to me:
Quote:
And this why, my friends, the Nagas have played no part in the Ten Years War, and probably won’t have much impact on the life of land-dwellers before quite some time…
I read that as "look, we're not going to include Sanctuary for this instalment; please stop asking." The rest of the article is extrapolating and justifying the point in-universe.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted July 20, 2015 11:12 PM |
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Kimarous said:
dark-whisperer said:
Article is totally unnecessary. I can live without such fillers that are made to stall flow of information.
I wouldn't say totally unnecessary. There was a particular passage that stuck out to me:
Quote:
And this why, my friends, the Nagas have played no part in the Ten Years War, and probably won’t have much impact on the life of land-dwellers before quite some time…
I read that as "look, we're not going to include Sanctuary for this instalment; please stop asking." The rest of the article is extrapolating and justifying the point in-universe.
It would be odd to write an entire article just to say "we won't make Sanctuary". There may be more... subtle ways to do that.
It may as well mean about the events about H5, where they are only mentioned. But your statement could also be taken in consideration.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted July 20, 2015 11:16 PM |
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It sounds like Sanctuary isn't in because of the lore, which is absolutely terrible and makes me more or less furious. No one is going to like your lore if it'll just mess up the game like this so don't have it dictate faction availability.
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 20, 2015 11:19 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 23:21, 20 Jul 2015.
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EnergyZ said:
It would be odd to write an entire article just to say "we won't make Sanctuary". There may be more... subtle ways to do that.
We all know Ubi's subtlety. 
Also, The next tales - your choice.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted July 20, 2015 11:33 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
It sounds like Sanctuary isn't in because of the lore, which is absolutely terrible and makes me more or less furious. No one is going to like your lore if it'll just mess up the game like this so don't have it dictate faction availability.
How can it be the problem of the lore if:
1. the faction is tied to Shalassa
2. this would put in question that Irina ever existed
3. why would medusa be in the Dungeon if they originally were priestesses
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted July 21, 2015 12:25 AM |
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EnergyZ said:
How can it be the problem of the lore if:
1. the faction is tied to Shalassa
2. this would put in question that Irina ever existed
3. why would medusa be in the Dungeon if they originally were priestesses
i think you misunderstand. The problem is that they prioritise lore over gameplay: the reason sanctuary is not in the game is not gameplay related at all: Lore simply says no and that's terrible instead of making the lineups they want and coming up with a story based on that. It's sickening even.
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 21, 2015 12:43 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 00:44, 21 Jul 2015.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted July 21, 2015 01:00 AM |
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Stevie said:
I think they decided Sanctuary wouldn't be featured first (design choices, budget restrictions, etc.), then tried to explain it with lore.
I would like to believe that, but there is nothing that leads me to that conclusion anymore.
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted July 21, 2015 01:02 AM |
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I have suspicion that Stevie is right.
Anyway, I hope that they will pick up the pace, announce beta start date and reveal Dungeon, start making some twitch appearances, giving some interviews with teasers, stuff like that, instead of this cr@ppy articles.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted July 21, 2015 01:18 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
i think you misunderstand. The problem is that they prioritise lore over gameplay: the reason sanctuary is not in the game is not gameplay related at all: Lore simply says no and that's terrible instead of making the lineups they want and coming up with a story based on that. It's sickening even.
Stevie said:
I think they decided Sanctuary wouldn't be featured first (design choices, budget restrictions, etc.), then tried to explain it with lore.
whether the former or the latter is true, I think we can all agree there is incompetence on show here lol
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Cyrca
Bad-mannered
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 21, 2015 08:34 AM |
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The only incompence here is the one that your post implies on your ability to understand how game developing works.
kiryu133 said:
Stevie said:
I think they decided Sanctuary wouldn't be featured first (design choices, budget restrictions, etc.), then tried to explain it with lore.
I would like to believe that, but there is nothing that leads me to that conclusion anymore.
you overestimate how much the lore is shaped around gameplay decisions and not otherwise.
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Petiknight
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 21, 2015 08:41 AM |
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Hi Guys,
sorry for posting this, but I did find a lame MMO browser game, which is almost a full copy of H5-6.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf8bHK8iTZc#t=65
I am wondering, what Ubisoft could say about it 
By the way, reading your comments, I bet if i could buy the rights of MM Heroes games from Ubi, and I could employ a good developer team and some of you guys, than we could produce a 10000x better Heroes game than Limbic. Peace
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted July 21, 2015 09:49 AM |
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Petiknight said:
sorry for posting this, but I did find a lame MMO browser game, which is almost a full copy of H5-6.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf8bHK8iTZc#t=65
I am wondering, what Ubisoft could say about it
Thieves like that disgust me to the core. As in "posted the link on the blog to alert Ubisoft's legal team" disgust. 
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted July 21, 2015 10:06 AM |
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Well, thieves they may be, they have taken from LoTR, Warcraft, heroes games etc, BUT!!! it is like the creators were following this site.
Town screens are much better and cohesive than heroes VII counterpart and have elements we wanted them to have. civilian houses, logical building placement (to some extent), different scenery each, good scale proportions, Necropolis even has a bone dragon chained.
The lineups are also something we have been asking for. Abomination in Necropolis, a good mixture of units for Inferno, Sylvan has a Satyr and a Unicorn and so on...
I don't know about mechanics and gameplay but, seeing how they did the townscreens makes me wonder about how time consuming it would have been for Limbic to do something similar...
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