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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 03, 2014 10:28 PM |
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@Stevie: Pretty much this:verriker said:
them's the breaks man,
either they're stuck with a dull campaign in Sheogh or the elemental planes or something, or they gotta break the rules of their fiction which is the very definition of bad writing
the only other option I can see would be a plot after Dark Messiah if Sareth releases the demons, but good luck telling historical stories set in the distant future lol
I dunno, I would just want to be sure that the plot has a sensible foundation and setup in the world, and not be just one big contrived retcon, before trumpeting that the Inferno campaign will be so great
They've written themselves into stupid corners before and I expect them to be able to do so again.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 10:30 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 22:33, 03 Oct 2014.
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Here's a chance for them to write themselves out of those corners. Demon experimentation has been done before, for example.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 03, 2014 10:33 PM |
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Stevie said:
Here's a chance for them to unwrite themselves from that corner. Demon experimentation has been done before, for example.
Only those things have to be gone or of no consquence anymore by the time of CoH.
Thing is we're still in prequell territory. Old rules apply in HV, so what ever new rules you come up with, you have to scrap them again. Because all the old games are still cannon.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 10:36 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 22:47, 03 Oct 2014.
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Demons outside Sheogh got beaten to death.
Experiments proved to increase the duration of their stay in Ashan, but not permanently
Demons secluded themselves into unknown territory.
It's easy!
Marzhin, please bestow some strength unto us. We need more information to put all these naysayers to shame! Onegai? 
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Alex_Yakub
Famous Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 10:53 PM |
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It's pretty obvious Inferno camapign will tell about Kha-Beleth ascension to ruling Sheogh  It would be interesting, indeed, but I just want that Dungeon to be in
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 11:35 PM |
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Galaad said:
ChrisD1 said:
the thing is that we changed universe.
I'm pretty much aware of that. All my point is about that..
then the whole argument needs to be about ashan as a universe and whether they did good changing it or not. that's the root of the "problem here" and that's what we should be debating. not the absence of "iconic" units. all comes from the fact that we changed universe and that's a whole other story!
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 11:38 PM |
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War-overlord said:
lokdron said:
Galaad said:
lokdron said:
Please guys give inferno a chance here. :<
I think Inferno has good chances winning this poll. I'm waiting to see more information about the factions though..
It will take a miracle and a snowball of luck for inferno to win.
Or new forms of cheating.
i hope you are joking and we need not fall into that pit again. it's a shame.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 03, 2014 11:38 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
all comes from the fact that we changed universe and that's a whole other story!
I can't express myself better to you. Different universe, same game. Should matter more, imo.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 03, 2014 11:47 PM |
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Galaad said:
ChrisD1 said:
all comes from the fact that we changed universe and that's a whole other story!
I can't express myself better to you. Different universe, same game. Should matter more, imo.
Final Fantasy. Every sequel different universe key aspects of the game remain the same, iconic creatures almost always make an appearence with a twist.
No one complained that final fantasy needs a chocobo to be named that way. It will have smth else if it skips a chocobo.
So the real question is should it matter more? If it's the same game but different universe, should the lore be consistent? Final Fantasy does not think so. The universe is different every time but the creatures and roles adjust to the current lore.
But in the end it comes down to personal preference and I have to respect that.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 04, 2014 12:06 AM |
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Yes it is my personal preference that new HOMM universe should coexist better with the old one.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 04, 2014 12:13 AM |
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Galaad said:
Yes it is my personal preference that new HOMM universe should coexist better with the old one.
mine is that those two have nothing to do with each other and we are lucky that some creatures transcended to ashan.
imagine competent writers, new universe, new factions, totally new creatures, new resources, but completely same gameplay,abilities,spells etc.
In my optimistic mind we are lucky
btw i think that a thread like that must exist somewhere and i am going to check it out
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted October 04, 2014 12:17 AM |
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Come on Marzhin, give me something to say to dungeon voters!
They say medusa returning.
Hydra will be champion.
Etc... Etc..
Say something for our creatures for once!
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Royin
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 04, 2014 01:17 AM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Galaad said:
Yes it is my personal preference that new HOMM universe should coexist better with the old one.
mine is that those two have nothing to do with each other and we are lucky that some creatures transcended to ashan.
imagine competent writers, new universe, new factions, totally new creatures, new resources, but completely same gameplay,abilities,spells etc.
In my optimistic mind we are lucky
btw i think that a thread like that must exist somewhere and i am going to check it out
Innovation doesn't always translate into success. At least not in the gaming industry.
This video shows that people want the same old same old fairly well.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 04, 2014 01:30 AM |
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Royin said:
ChrisD1 said:
Galaad said:
Yes it is my personal preference that new HOMM universe should coexist better with the old one.
mine is that those two have nothing to do with each other and we are lucky that some creatures transcended to ashan.
imagine competent writers, new universe, new factions, totally new creatures, new resources, but completely same gameplay,abilities,spells etc.
In my optimistic mind we are lucky
btw i think that a thread like that must exist somewhere and i am going to check it out
Innovation doesn't always translate into success. At least not in the gaming industry.
This video shows that people want the same old same old fairly well.
Well its kinda the same situation here we have a chance to get a whole brand new story with inferno. Not involving eclipses and blood moons something that people constantly complain about and now they are offering a different story.
But nope people must have those black dragons(which are not guranteed) even if we have to remove the chance to have a completely fresh story for a faction. The huge nostalgia factor is something that is preventing inferno from getting ahead even if we are getting something new which has not been done before for the faction.
With dungeon its the same old manipulating from the shadows to weaken the light according to the spy master. If fortress was in we my have gotten a story on the dwarven vs dark elf war but nope that story got killed when sylvan crushed the dwarves.
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OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
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posted October 04, 2014 01:37 AM |
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Please remember any first installment of any successful series is innovative by itself. That sequels are more successful if they stay closer to the original ideas seems reasonable, because people like the original game for different reasons and once too much changes in the sequels, it's more likely the game will receive negative attention within its own gaming community, and spread from there. As such, like mention so many other times, a game like Heroes of Might and Magic IV would probably have received much more praise under a different name. But it wouldn't have sold as well, obviously. But its sequels potentially could.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted October 04, 2014 07:22 AM |
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lokdron said:
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But nope people must have those black dragons(which are not guranteed) even if we have to remove the chance to have a completely fresh story for a faction. The huge nostalgia factor is something that is preventing inferno from getting ahead even if we are getting something new which has not been done before for the faction.
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How many chances should inferno get to finally make them something other then snooze fest?
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted October 04, 2014 08:58 AM |
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dark-whisperer said:
lokdron said:
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But nope people must have those black dragons(which are not guranteed) even if we have to remove the chance to have a completely fresh story for a faction. The huge nostalgia factor is something that is preventing inferno from getting ahead even if we are getting something new which has not been done before for the faction.
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How many chances should inferno get to finally make them something other then snooze fest?
They had enough chances.
Now its time for Dungeon to be bad guy.
Inferno can wait for expansion.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 04, 2014 09:20 AM |
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Royin said:
Innovation doesn't always translate into success. At least not in the gaming industry.
This video shows that people want the same old same old fairly well.
Tell that to ubisoft. Not me. Since they decided to create smth new and there is nothing i can do about it, i might as well follow them.
If i don't like it, well heroes 3 is still in my pc.
The video proves nothing and it has lots of inconsistencies so this guy can prove a point.
Bottom line, yes sometimes innovation is cool and sometimes it's not.
For us it happened. The end.
I'd rather see a consistent effort for this new universe (since it's here to stay) than seeing it bombarded by nostalgia patches everywhere (here and there is good, like mino's, eyes and mantis, but EVERYWHERE? exact same line up from h3? no leave some space for new stuff like the faceless, the game won't be ruined because of that)
If we don't like it, we are free to not play it anymore and shed our nostalgia tears into dragon shaped jars.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted October 04, 2014 09:53 AM |
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they took right direction with the campaigns in expansion (shades of darkness)
which gives a hope , but doesnt guarantee that story will be good in Heroes7
so to base your vote only by assuming the campaign story will be great? hmm.. dont know about that
i personally love campaigns , and its vital part for me in homm series, thats why HoMM4 is my favourite heroes game
dungeon and inferno both can have an interesting story if it is told(written) the right way
as for factions themselves , units and tactics, i much prefer dungeon
they have more interesting tactics in battle and more appealing units
so i do hope they will win the voting.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted October 04, 2014 09:54 AM |
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ChrisD1 said:
alcibiades said:
I guess no matter what one focuses on, for me it would be fresh to have a Heroes game *without* Inferno for the first time since H2.
lucky you, this campaign will not about the demons!
so how about we see demons as just another race and not in their usual role? maybe see some of their internal affairs and their relations with other factions OUT of the eclipse? that would be fresh and inferno's line up is something to expect!
Well I wouldn't mind Inferno being in, if it was a question of Inferno yes/no. But it's not, it's a question of Inferno or Dungeon, and in that regard, I just hand down prefer Dungeon.
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