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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 03, 2015 04:21 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 16:22, 03 Jan 2015.
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ah, found the thread i knew would exist here.
you have my personal, sincerest thanks, Ubisoft. when this comes out, i will no longer hate you. hell, i don't hate you guys anymore anyway.
now, after homm3hd comes out... maybe keep going in that vein... please? 
i swear, i'll love you long time. 
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vancho1
Adventuring Hero
Learning
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posted January 04, 2015 07:26 PM |
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I am excited to see that Ubi is giving attention to better older Heroes games, but I have some reservations about this release:
1. Many people have mentioned known RoE bugs. I wonder, will these be fixed?
2. Will a RMG be included?
3. If Slava/WoG Team could reverse-engineer the SoD executable over 10 years ago, why can't Ubi now?
4. Weren't the HoMM III creatures/buildings originally 3D models which were pre-rendered to make sprites? If they got the original assets from NWC, why are they painting over the old sprites instead of making better renders? Or do they only have the source code from NWC?
And some other things which I've forgotten.
Probably, I will not buy it on release, and I'll wait for it to go on sale, just like I waited for AoE II HD and AoM HD. It's not worth buying the game for slightly updated graphics when you already have the old one.
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted January 05, 2015 01:03 AM |
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vancho1 said:
2. Will a RMG be included?
Yes.
3. If Slava/WoG Team could reverse-engineer the SoD executable over 10 years ago, why can't Ubi now?
Gotta get that DLC money.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted January 05, 2015 07:53 AM |
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Datapack said:
vancho1 said:
2. Will a RMG be included?
Yes.
You know that RMG was introduced in Armageddon's Blade and Restoration of Erathia has "only" Map Editor?
And as HoMM3HD is remastering of RoE alone...
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted January 05, 2015 10:24 AM |
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Edited by Orzie at 10:27, 05 Jan 2015.
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vancho1 said:
1. Many people have mentioned known RoE bugs. I wonder, will these be fixed?
Seems that no, they even did not consider RoE graphical inconstistencies while it's mainly a graphical release.
vancho1 said:
2. Will a RMG be included?
No, RoE doesn't have it. Only a compatibility with the user-made RoE maps is claimed. No one cares that there are not too many RoE maps in comparison with the entire mass.
vancho1 said:
3. If Slava/WoG Team could reverse-engineer the SoD executable over 10 years ago, why can't Ubi now?
They can and anyway Ubisoft not having the source codes is impossible. I guess it's obvious for all, whatever Ubisoft says.
God bless the modern gamedev business model. Hail to DLCs.
vancho1 said:
4. Weren't the HoMM III creatures/buildings originally 3D models which were pre-rendered to make sprites? If they got the original assets from NWC, why are they painting over the old sprites instead of making better renders? Or do they only have the source code from NWC?
I was putting much hope that this company responsible for the "HD" remake will use the classic 3D scenes and re-render assets in a high resolution, but it seems that the scenes are lost forever on hard drives of ex-NWC artists. Pity, we have lost an awesome game.
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hippox89
Famous Hero
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posted January 05, 2015 11:24 AM |
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Damn, I can easily imagine a true HD remake by using the original work sources which you've shown instead of this washed uplifting that they call 'HD'. It's so sad that the original 3D renders might have been lost forever with nobody to benefit from them.
Anyhow, lovely comparison, Orzie.
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Engwathang
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 05, 2015 03:10 PM |
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That they have lost The code is bullsnow. They can take homm3 complete edition, and voila. There's the code!
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted January 05, 2015 03:14 PM |
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I think you have no idea what you are talking about. There is no source code that one could "take" from Heroes Complete.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted January 05, 2015 03:17 PM |
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I still cannot understand how could they lose source code of a software...
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Engwathang
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 05, 2015 03:43 PM |
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Warmonger said:
I think you have no idea what you are talking about. There is no source code that one could "take" from Heroes Complete.
Perhaps I dont have no idea what i'm talking about, but HOMM3 Complete got both expansions, why could they not take the code from that?
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kicferk
Known Hero
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posted January 05, 2015 03:57 PM |
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What you can get by decompilation is not the same as the source code... The latter is way, way moe useful.
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gatecrasher
Famous Hero
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posted January 05, 2015 04:20 PM |
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There is no easy way of decompilation. What you may be referring to is reverse engineering.
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vancho1
Adventuring Hero
Learning
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posted January 05, 2015 04:37 PM |
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gatecrasher said:
There is no easy way of decompilation. What you may be referring to is reverse engineering.
But as I said before: Slava and WoG team did it with SoD, and included the entire ERM engine, so it is clearly possible, especially when you have the resources that Ubi does. Plus, I think someone mentioned that some Russian localization company might still have sources, or at least some sort of dev files - couldn't Ubi find those? I fear that the answer is that this 'HD rerelease' is going to be the same as AoE and AoM HD releases, that is, mainly graphical with Steam for Multiplayer.
Granted, having steam lobby is nice, but we already have matchmaking services like GameRanger which work with HoMM III.
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rainend
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 05, 2015 05:17 PM |
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Edited by rainend at 17:29, 05 Jan 2015.
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I dont understand all the hate when we finally got what we wanted. I'm super excited, it's like the best possible news in gaming for me. Unlike AOE2 HD and BG2 HD they rescaled and retouched the sprites, not only a pointless resolution mod.
I only wish they include simultaneous turns like in the Civ series and I will buy the snow out of the HD edition hoping they'll make the expansions as well this way.
So please, any Ubisoft official reading this, please consider adding sim turns for online mode
Kudos to Ubisoft, finally!
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted January 05, 2015 07:12 PM |
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Quote:
I dont understand all the hate when we finally got what we wanted.
I don't know about you, but I am totally disappointed. I already wrote what I expected from this release some posts above. And I put much hope in that, ready to forgive Ubisoft all the numerous sins.
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted January 06, 2015 01:00 AM |
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Edited by Datapack at 01:01, 06 Jan 2015.
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Avonu said:
You know that RMG was introduced in Armageddon's Blade and Restoration of Erathia has "only" Map Editor?
And as HoMM3HD is remastering of RoE alone...
Yup, i'm wrong, I was thinking this was the Heroes 7 board 
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted January 06, 2015 09:16 AM |
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But as I said before: Slava and WoG team did it with SoD, and included the entire ERM engine, so it is clearly possible,
This is far from it. ERM is tragic mess and overall results are not useful for Ubisoft. Code needs to be organized, clean and self-explanatory as well as easy to modify and debug. ERM or WoG code shared some years ago is nowhere near that, and the results achieved by WoG moddders so far only prove it.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted January 06, 2015 09:35 AM |
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"A tragic mess" is greatly exaggerated, especially now when the alternatives are still far and visibly struggling from becoming fully functional.
But with a decent salary, I am sure Slava or many others could improve it in no time -or change to more readable-, create better manual, synchronize multi, etc. The main question still is: is Ubi interested by a game to which user mods add unlimited life, and for the same basic price? Financially they gain nothing.
@Orzie
Could you please reupload your screen at the size allowed, you snowed this page display. (just cut the background left/right)
I must set to 80% to be able to read posts 
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Era II mods and utilities
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rainend
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 06, 2015 07:07 PM |
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available for prepurchase on steam, 15 euros
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Beks
Hired Hero
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posted January 06, 2015 08:27 PM |
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