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Zombi_Wizzard
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posted February 10, 2015 05:31 PM |
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yeah forgot about those. In original Warcraft 3, there was dreadlord. Those came later. And I am aware that Dreadlord is not exactley "vampire", but he has some of the features - bat wings, drinks blood to heal himself, hypnotizes enemies to sleep, summons hoard of bats ... and not to mention fangs. He's more of a demon-vampire hybrid.
But I do think it would be better if they would base their vampire on that, because if you remove him horns + wings and clip his nails a bit, he would also remind a bit of H3 vampire ...
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted February 10, 2015 06:43 PM |
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cleglaw said:
i say cosmetics not details because even the top of the buildings, corners of it share exact same elements, spider legs/spikes, floating crystal shaped objectes to crown the top... these are "the detail" parts of architecture. not even mentioning the general form of architecture and such...
and when you make one spike/spider leg slightly longer and curvy, its still the same detail but different cosmetics.
edit: i forgot this dragon thing. i mean dragon is a creature identified with very specific things, wings, snake-like form, breath-weapon, and a tail. all dragons have those... they all look like each other at some point. therefore, comparing architecture-dragons is wrong. for example there are tons of different ways to desing a pyramid...
Well, somebody might say that these dragons too share exact same elements - wing types (even claws on them), head shape etc. Btw, the "claws" seen on the screens are different indeed, as well as "floating crystals".
Then acknowledge the same thing about dragons! 
P-p-please. Dragons, identified by specific things? There're tons, tons of different dragons, even Ashan is a proof to that.
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@verriker - hey mate, I'll repeat this to you as well:
Sandro400 said:
Now, ripping-off - plagiarising - is when you copy something nearly 100%. Identical copy.
Now, if you like linguistic and/or literal approach, if you re-write the same idea in your own words (using different words, etc), no one will be able to successfully accuse you in plagiarism 
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@Zombi - where were your eyes when I said that Ashan Vampires are following a trend indeed?.. But, nevermind, because such Vampires existed before WoW.
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@Dave - respect for ya 
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2015 08:31 PM |
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@Sandro
So ... first was architecture, now vampires ... I see progress ... we might get to somewhere yet
I would say it's not that hard to see, that general look of units leans hevily on artistic trend, that Warcraft made popular.
Now I am not saying (again) that any similarities would warrant a legal suit against Ubisoft / Limbic Entertainemnt. This is beacuse of nature of art, that is dificult to prove in court one way or the other. I would not say even that I personaly have any issues with it, because, as I stated, I like the Warcraft look.
Also because of the fact, that most of the things in gaming industry have been taken from somewhere else. Be it from moveis, books, cartoons, board games, or indeed other games. So where is the legal barier? How come is it ok, for Konami, to take name of Dracula, and include into Castlevania games? What is legaly ok to borrow and what not? These are hard questions, that even lawyers cannot agree on.
Is Warcraft only game that has some of it's ideas being "copied" ... No. (God of War's battle mechanics, and Gears of War's cover system and all of "Doom clones from 90's, say hi  ).
Is M&M series only one which copies Warcraft style? .... No. Few examples from top of my head - Darksiders, League of Legends, Defence of the Ancients 1 and 2 (DotA2), Smite, Magicka (altho they modified it a lot), Torchlight 1 & 2, other new Blizzard titles (obviously), many mmo's (Alods comes to mind) ... Now I would think it's safe to say that all of these games are successful, and good in their own right.
It is even because of this fact, that this art style may seem generic to some people. And even if I don't have a problem with it, I can understand, that some people (mostly older fans), do. This is because HoMM looked quite diferent prior to Ashan, and now this "Warcraft style" has crept even into this game. This is why people create threads like this.
And Last but not least, your question: "How come Ubi(or any other company) is not afraid, Blizzard will sue them for using similar stuff in thair game, when they already had issue with GW?"
Well I don't know. You tell me. Because, given the Vampire/DK comparison, and Lizard's comparisons (to some of which you admit are legit claims), it would be logical for Blizz to atleast mention to them. Afterall, GW did this, because of the H5 LICH. And I capitalize LICH, because there is quite more diference between H5 Lich, and GW's Liche Hight Priest, than between Blizzard's DK and Ubi's Vampire.
Altho similarities do exist, similarities between H7 stuff and WoW stuff are even more pronounced.
So I ask you this question back. How come? Even tho they are similar?
You can ponder all you want, and you won't find a clear answer. Because that is not for us to know. I would assume, Ubi knew, with a degree of certainty, that there won't be a problem. But that is all we can assume. How did they come to this conclusion? Again, if you know, you tell me.
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ShadowMaster
Adventuring Hero
HOMM3fa(g)n
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posted February 11, 2015 04:22 PM |
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Bring back classic Necropolis ! I mean, for real. I want a Necropolis with scary-as-hell skeleton Liches, Vampires that walked out of a Universal movie and GLOOM-DOOM. Green-not so much. I liked Necropolis in Homm 5, when it still looked like the old one. And then...BAM ! No Skeleton dragons. No Zombies. And suddenly they are the good guys ! They are freaking Necromancers, for god's sake. They want to transform the whole world into a freaking graveyard. They certainly don't want to help the good guys. And most of all, they are not Spider-...whatever. They are a bunch of skeletons who have arisen from the grave. They can transform units of other fractions into things like them.They corrupt, destroy and kill everything they find on their path. Even the trees. I want a scary dungeon, with creatures that give me the chills. I want scary Vampires. I want for them to have spells that kill all living beings. I want for them to be able to create units out of fallen enemies. I want for them to be based on Gothic Europe, not Babylon. I want to to have a whole castle that looks and feels like a graveyard, instead of a bad parody of Mummy (don't get me wrong,Mummy's are awesome). I want a campaign in which you have to eradicate a whole squadron of Necropolis units, because they have taken your village, castle, fort, [insert needed]. I want for them to align with the Demons, instead of the Humans.
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shadowdust
Hired Hero
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posted February 12, 2015 06:39 AM |
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Guess I'm the only one like the new neutral necro than the boring classic pure evil necro.
While they're on the good side, their moral is pretty mess up, they're definitely not the nice guys. This shows more clearly in the SoD.
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rodaff
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 12, 2015 02:19 PM |
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ShadowMaster said:
Bring back classic Necropolis ! I mean, for real. I want a Necropolis with scary-as-hell skeleton Liches, Vampires that walked out of a Universal movie and GLOOM-DOOM. Green-not so much. I liked Necropolis in Homm 5, when it still looked like the old one. And then...BAM ! No Skeleton dragons. No Zombies. And suddenly they are the good guys ! They are freaking Necromancers, for god's sake. They want to transform the whole world into a freaking graveyard. They certainly don't want to help the good guys. And most of all, they are not Spider-...whatever. They are a bunch of skeletons who have arisen from the grave. They can transform units of other fractions into things like them.They corrupt, destroy and kill everything they find on their path. Even the trees. I want a scary dungeon, with creatures that give me the chills. I want scary Vampires. I want for them to have spells that kill all living beings. I want for them to be able to create units out of fallen enemies. I want for them to be based on Gothic Europe, not Babylon. I want to to have a whole castle that looks and feels like a graveyard, instead of a bad parody of Mummy (don't get me wrong,Mummy's are awesome). I want a campaign in which you have to eradicate a whole squadron of Necropolis units, because they have taken your village, castle, fort, [insert needed]. I want for them to align with the Demons, instead of the Humans.
+1
You are not the only one that misses the classic and real Necropolis, the one ruled by egotistical necromancers that only care about themselves and their personal ambitions. I hate Spiderpolis and that silly cult of "order" full of spiders everywhere 
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Sandro400
Promising
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Shadow of Death
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posted February 12, 2015 03:55 PM |
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@Zombi urgh, I get rather boring about this. I never said that vampires or architecture don't look similar (I acknowledged it from the start), I said they don't look identical. See, these 2 words are the cornerstone of our dialogue.
Regarding your question - how can you see somebody for having a Vampire Knight if you wasn't even the first who had vampire warriors? The ideas can't be plagiarasied by the definition of the word. Names (like Beholder) can be, visuals - can be. No the ideas.
So, I'm gonna end there, cause I'm rather bored. And there's only you to keep discussion.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted February 12, 2015 04:49 PM |
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This is because most are just bored of you. If that logic about looks would be true, then Ubi would not have had troubles with WG for lich. Case closed. And even if it is true, then your question: "How are they not afraid of Blizzard" is meaningless.
And for the record - similar vs identical is something that you hammered into this conversation. Not me. I don't even discuss this.
All I said was: Ubi borrowed looks from WoW. And it is true. Then you came with your plagiarism and similarities and identical bs. This is beside the point. You also yourself raised this question about why is Ubi not afraid of Blizz. Not me.
Or you simplay don't want to admit that. Well wheter you aree or not it won't change the fact, that Ashan is similar than Azeroth. And that Ubisoft / Limbic looked to WoW when designing their art style. And with the overwhelming evidence of similarities between them, you do not need (and you will never get) Erwan's or anyones word that they did it.
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Sandro400
Promising
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Shadow of Death
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posted February 12, 2015 06:19 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Names (like Beholder) can be, visuals - can be
Zombi_Wizzard said:
If that logic about looks would be true, then Ubi would not have had troubles with WG for lich.
Brilliant! End of discussion, I debated with you for days and still no progress.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted February 12, 2015 09:16 PM |
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So I may missread this (or did you even edit but it does not matter), but you still, despite days of responding to me, ignore the base of my point, and the points of whole thread Lizard have started, which is:
Showing the similarities between WoW and Ashan. And that is it. Theres nothing more.
I agree conversation is over and I personaly conseidered it over when I showned Vampire comparison.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 14, 2015 11:49 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 12:54, 14 Feb 2015.
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RMZ1989 said:
Nicely done, thread looks gorgeous and it deserves a QP
FrostyMuadDib said:
after reading this gread post (LW deserves QP)
Rakshasa92 said:
awesome post, QP worthy
+1
The opening post is fun, entertaining, and extremely well-done, imo.
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rodaff
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 15, 2015 03:10 PM |
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Galaad said:
RMZ1989 said:
Nicely done, thread looks gorgeous and it deserves a QP
FrostyMuadDib said:
after reading this gread post (LW deserves QP)
Rakshasa92 said:
awesome post, QP worthy
+1
The opening post is fun, entertaining, and extremely well-done, imo.
Not only that, it's full of truths.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 15, 2015 03:32 PM |
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Just a short word, this thread could do with a few shinies. But as things are I just lack the time to look into it, too many issues from my side. They'll come, rest assured
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OmegaDestroyer
Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
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posted February 17, 2015 03:44 PM |
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Per request of Val, thread cleaned.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 07:00 PM |
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I havent played MM8, why are those necromancers dressed in spiders clothes?
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