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LizardWarrior
LizardWarrior


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posted April 11, 2015 09:23 PM

So, I have been replaying the Gauldoth campaigns, but one thing I'm missing is when exactly Gauldoth became the king of Nekros. First scenario he's burning Vitross, then the next one he's in Nekros and he's king already, even tough he's still fighting some necromancers which aren't quite happy with him there.
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verriker
verriker


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We don't need another 'eroes
posted April 11, 2015 09:31 PM

just took place offscreen I guess, though he is still a stooge and doesn't really become king for good until the last mission lol
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ShadowMaster
ShadowMaster


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posted April 11, 2015 09:36 PM

You know what I would like ? Some books or a comic book based on HoMM and set in the universe of Ashan. Lots of lore could be explored that way.


BTW, am I the only one who has never played any Heroes game after 5 ?
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GenyaArikado
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posted April 11, 2015 10:22 PM

Yeah it'd be cool. Specially for events that odds are we wont visit (the whole Tuidhanna stuff) or events that need to be revised (a H5 novelization that doesnt make you wanna kill Isabel)

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verriker
verriker


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We don't need another 'eroes
posted April 11, 2015 10:29 PM

IMO, if they decide to novelize a Heroes game, they should probably begin with the ones that had a non-awful story instead of Heroes 5 and 6, lol
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GenyaArikado
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posted April 11, 2015 11:27 PM

If they had non-awful story telling, then they dont need it.

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ShadowMaster
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posted April 11, 2015 11:37 PM

GenyaArikado said:
Yeah it'd be cool. Specially for events that odds are we wont visit (the whole Tuidhanna stuff) or events that need to be revised (a H5 novelization that doesnt make you wanna kill Isabel)

Yeah, they would have to change lots of stuff in HoMM 5 to make it work. F.E-The Rakshasas are beastmen in place of spirits, Djinn's who  are more female (the same for Gargolyes ), and teh whole line-up of Inferno has changed. Hell, I would even like if HoMM * was a retelling of 5.
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Marzhin
Marzhin

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Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
posted April 12, 2015 12:10 AM

ShadowMaster said:
You know what I would like ? Some books or a comic book based on HoMM and set in the universe of Ashan. Lots of lore could be explored that way.


There was a graphic novel released in France. It tells the story of Cate from H6.

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Genyaarikado
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posted April 12, 2015 04:21 AM

ShadowMaster said:
GenyaArikado said:
Yeah it'd be cool. Specially for events that odds are we wont visit (the whole Tuidhanna stuff) or events that need to be revised (a H5 novelization that doesnt make you wanna kill Isabel)

Yeah, they would have to change lots of stuff in HoMM 5 to make it work. F.E-The Rakshasas are beastmen in place of spirits, Djinn's who  are more female (the same for Gargolyes ), and teh whole line-up of Inferno has changed. Hell, I would even like if HoMM * was a retelling of 5.


Yeah. I was thinking about the whole Nicolai vampire thing. Since the post H6 story shows that turning into a vampire =/= turning evil, the Markal plot could be changed from "tricking Isabel into using necromancy" to "tricking Isabel into using the Ritual of the Endless Night without knowing the full details". While the former made Isabel look dumb (omg if it isnt light magic what do you think Markal is gonna use snow?), the matter reduces that and her being aware that he is gonna use necromancy gives her intentions some credible pragmatism.

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Sligneris
Sligneris


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posted April 12, 2015 11:43 AM
Edited by Sligneris at 11:45, 12 Apr 2015.

Genyaarikado said:
Markal plot could be changed from "tricking Isabel into using necromancy" to "tricking Isabel into using the Ritual of the Endless Night without knowing the full details".

That wouldn't even be changing anything, quite honestly. Isabel recognized Markal as necromancer and knew that resurrecting Nicolai using his abilities would be heretical... That being said, I suppose it could be made more apparent in the actual dialogues.

I feel like writing a Heroes V book now, lel.

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Avonu
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Embracing light and darkness
posted April 12, 2015 11:17 PM
Edited by Avonu at 23:30, 12 Apr 2015.

Question about Orcs:
IIRC in Ashan Compendium First Eclipse was ca. 330-336 YSD and Orcs were created ca. 335 YSD.
In MMX we have lorebook "Fabrication of Beastmen" and it states that Demon attacked (events described as First Eclipse in Ashan Compendium) in year 322 (a typo maybe - shouldn't it be 332?) and Orcs were craeted in 333 YSD. Finally, Demons were defeated in 345 YSD.
Any explanations about this?

Also, anyone remember what is Taumata-Kunyak stands for (what does it mean)? Kunyak is Orc leader but the first part?
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kiryu133
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posted April 12, 2015 11:40 PM

tomato, obviously. so that would be tomato-orc leader

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Marzhin
Marzhin

Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
posted April 13, 2015 10:53 AM

Avonu said:
Question about Orcs:
IIRC in Ashan Compendium First Eclipse was ca. 330-336 YSD and Orcs were created ca. 335 YSD.
In MMX we have lorebook "Fabrication of Beastmen" and it states that Demon attacked (events described as First Eclipse in Ashan Compendium) in year 322 (a typo maybe - shouldn't it be 332?) and Orcs were craeted in 333 YSD. Finally, Demons were defeated in 345 YSD.
Any explanations about this?


A few of the MMXL Lore Books are propaganda. Usually a few hints make it obvious (here the blatantly wrong dates) that the writers are trying to rewrite history to their advantage.
The book from an Imperial priestess telling Tuidhana's story is other example.

Avonu said:
Also, anyone remember what is Taumata-Kunyak stands for (what does it mean)? Kunyak is Orc leader but the first part?


It's Kunyak's Hill. Taumata is an actual Maori word

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Avonu
Avonu


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Embracing light and darkness
posted April 13, 2015 11:10 AM

Marzhin said:
A few of the MMXL Lore Books are propaganda. Usually a few hints make it obvious (here the blatantly wrong dates) that the writers are trying to rewrite history to their advantage.


This was Wizard's journal, so I wouldn't call it "propaganda". Other case of such books were Edwin's journal and Montband's journal.
While I can accept that not all words there are true or speak about what really happened, it simply doesn't correspont to its dates, which seems to be true.
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Sligneris
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posted April 13, 2015 11:20 AM

Marzhin said:
A few of the MMXL Lore Books are propaganda. Usually a few hints make it obvious (here the blatantly wrong dates) that the writers are trying to rewrite history to their advantage.
How would swapping out some dates serve anyone's case though?

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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No longer on vacation
posted April 13, 2015 11:32 AM

Borrowing a page from TES, eh? That's neat.

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Sandro400
Sandro400


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Shadow of Death
posted April 13, 2015 05:10 PM
Edited by Sandro400 at 18:32, 13 Apr 2015.

Actually, the book about Orcs' creation is correct in-game. I don't know which version you've read ^^
The dates are 332 YSD for the start of the journal (it seems that Demons first ravaged Grimheim, Empire and Irollan), 335 for the creation of the Orcs and 336 for the defeat of Demons.
The only thing that's messed up is the order in which half-demons were created. In compendium it's Goblins-Cyclops-Orcs, in the diary - Cyclops-Goblins-Orcs.

P.S.: Somewhere I saw a discussion about "why there're no nagas during H5". In the video to which somebody reffered devs said that Nagas and Pao Orcs fought with Demons on their own islands in addition to the civil war within Lotus Empire.

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Avonu
Avonu


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Embracing light and darkness
posted April 13, 2015 06:14 PM
Edited by Avonu at 18:16, 13 Apr 2015.

I checked it in patched game and indeed the game has correct dates. However a file from previous version has wrong dates:
Quote:
7 dzień miesiąca Dziewicy w 322 Roku Siódmego Smoka
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15 dzień miesiąca Dziewicy w 322 RSS
(...)
17 dzień Staruchy, 332 RSS
(...)
25 dzień Staruchy, 332 RSS
(...)
333 RSS
Stworzyliśmy Orki. (The Orcs are made.)
(...)
333 RSS
(...)
338 RSS
(...)
23 dzień Ylatha, 340 RSS
(...)
14 dzień Ylatha, 342 RSS
(...)
18 dzień Arkatha, 344 RSS
(...)
345 RSS
Demony zostały pokonane. (Demons have been defeated)

I am wondering Marzhin... why were all these words about propaganda, while simply check the book in game would be enough to correct me?
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Sandro400
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Shadow of Death
posted April 13, 2015 06:32 PM

Avonu said:

I am wondering Marzhin... why were all these words about propaganda, while simply check the book in game would be enough to correct me?


An interesting question indeed, I second this ^^
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GenyaArikado
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posted April 14, 2015 03:08 AM

#oopsie

on the other hand, its understandable, specially when related to dates. Reminds me of the red shirt guy incident at the Blizzcon, i <3 insaneguyofdoom

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