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Thread: Racism, Policing, Political Correctness, and Civil Unrest This thread is 10 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 · «PREV / NEXT»
Salamandre
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posted March 31, 2018 06:24 PM

For sure she choose the wrong moment and the wrong manner to claim her convictions. However, if you look what means terrorism apology, it is not that. If a surgeon practicing hundreds of abortions is killed by a car and some pro-life activists publicly rejoice, that doesn't automatically means they support cars killing doctors. It's a thin border thus individuals can argue each other about then disagree, however the justice is supposed to condemn only if no doubt at all. Our justice, that is.

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JollyJoker
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posted March 31, 2018 07:03 PM

Except that a car ACCIDENT is no terror ATTACK.

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Salamandre
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posted March 31, 2018 07:23 PM

Irrelevant, the outcome is same: a random person died. She doesn't rejoice because a random person died - which is what terrorism  means, kill anyone to spread terror, but because a specific individual died.

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Galaad
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posted March 31, 2018 07:30 PM
Edited by Galaad at 19:36, 31 Mar 2018.

Her message is that no one feels sad when it comes to animal genocides, what she does is purely provocation by saying she won't feel sad when a butcher dies either, as to her he is not any different than a terrorist.

Anyway, sentence is so ironic when that same government has ties with Qatar and Saudi Arabia and sold weapons in Syria that somehow ended up in the hands of ISIS. But no, the facebook post of an angry vegan activist is what we absolutely need to condemn!
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posted March 31, 2018 07:44 PM

The point isn't that she has no sympathy OR that someone died, the point is that a terror attack is called an act of justice.

You really should habe grasped this by now.


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posted March 31, 2018 07:55 PM
Edited by artu at 19:55, 31 Mar 2018.

As I already said, I think that's implied in a karma way, not openly to justify the attack itself. It's quite a common expression in many languages including mine. But it's true it is probably that part which got her convicted when you think of it. She most probably wouldnt even be charged if she made a similar comment about a pedohile or rapist though, so it boils down to norms in the end.
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Salamandre
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posted March 31, 2018 08:24 PM

Galaad said:
GG @TheGuardian



The guardian is the worse leftist propaganda, I remember John McEnroe's case where they made up all accusations without reading once the original interview. That was huge.

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JollyJoker
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posted March 31, 2018 08:36 PM

Bullcrap.

Galaad quoted her in French:

"ben quoi, ça vous choque un assassin qui se fait tuer par un terroriste ? pas moi, j'ai zéro compassion pour lui, il y a quand même une justice!"

No terror attack can EVER be called or likened with JUSTICE. Even if they would bomb a high security prison - nothing could make it in any way "just".

Case closed. No karma, no fake Guardian bashing, all irrelevant.

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Salamandre
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posted March 31, 2018 08:47 PM

And just today, another young man condemned for terrorism apology, he got 6 months, 1 months less that our vegan.

His facebook post: "not enough dead in the attacks" and proclaimed its support for the Islamic State and the jihadist Radouane Lakdim. So this is less condemnable than the vegan, let me laugh. Case closed, dumb justice which let fanatics run around and comics defend them.
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posted March 31, 2018 09:02 PM

Except that it wasn't a fanatic but instead just an idiot trying to make himself "interesting", so the comic is you.

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posted March 31, 2018 09:03 PM

Why are you so unhappy, Sal? Your laws protect you from people dumb or serious enough to publicly support terrorism. Isn't that a good thing?
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Salamandre
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posted March 31, 2018 09:08 PM

JollyJoker said:
Except that it wasn't a fanatic but instead just an idiot trying to make himself "interesting", so the comic is you.


That's exactly the mindset of those who are at the origins of the terror and killings, comics like you who will find quick excuses to fanatics having the exact profile of the terrorist, then play the big guys against confused individuals who never had an open statement of allegiance.
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Galaad
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posted March 31, 2018 09:21 PM
Edited by Galaad at 21:24, 31 Mar 2018.

JollyJoker said:
The point isn't that she has no sympathy OR that someone died, the point is that a terror attack is called an act of justice.


It is not the terror attack itself which was called an act of justice. It is the fact that 'a murderer got himself killed' -no matter the circumstances- that was called as such. It does not convey the same meaning. Certainly not a comment that would make her popular on social medias but prosecuting is out of place imo, at least in France.
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posted March 31, 2018 09:38 PM

Galaad said:
JollyJoker said:
The point isn't that she has no sympathy OR that someone died, the point is that a terror attack is called an act of justice.


It is not the terror attack itself which was called an act of justice. It is the fact that 'a murderer got himself killed' -no matter the circumstances- that was called as such. It does not convey the same meaning. Certainly not a comment that would make her popular on social medias but prosecuting is out of place imo, at least in France.
That's the thing you don't get. The "murderer" (which in itself is bullctap) din't "get himself killed" (in fact that is a pretty offensive phrasing). He was killed in a terror attack. So the terror attack was INSTRUMENTAL in him "getting killed" - which means, it CANNOT be just. NO RESULT of a terror attack can EVER be called just (is what this is all about) (because it might be seen as some mitigating factor or something like that).

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posted March 31, 2018 09:43 PM

Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
Except that it wasn't a fanatic but instead just an idiot trying to make himself "interesting", so the comic is you.


That's exactly the mindset of those who are at the origins of the terror and killings, comics like you who will find quick excuses to fanatics having the exact profile of the terrorist, then play the big guys against confused individuals who never had an open statement of allegiance.

Yes, you are such a knowledgable guy when it comes to mindets of those at the origins of the terror and killings - they really should hire you as an expert.

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Galaad
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posted March 31, 2018 10:17 PM

JollyJoker said:
(in fact that is a pretty offensive phrasing).


What? How?

Quote:
NO RESULT of a terror attack can EVER be called just


I agree with this and never said otherwise. This is where the amalgam lies, the part you find irrelevant to the whole situation is the part that end up locking innocent people to jail. Like, 'Hey, why are you here?
-Murder. You?
-A Facebook post'.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 31, 2018 10:41 PM

Huh?

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Salamandre
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posted March 31, 2018 10:59 PM

The worst part is how we ended into the criminalization of words while on the other side aiming and "claiming" for some utopian open minded society. Locking people for what they say or they think is an abomination, it suffices to look back which regimes - or at what times during history - did that by the past.  

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JollyJoker
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posted March 31, 2018 11:16 PM

"We"?

Get real.

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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 12:35 AM

You're right, its not we, I am not part of it. I can't stand this awkward ideology you and many others support: lock, censor and shut up people for what they think or say.

We all agree that there should be some limits to how far someone can go, in terms of inciting to violence, lie with social heavy consequences, release secrets about state security and such cases, but also the freedom of speech is vital to ensure that society is dynamic enough to change in response to different challenges it might have to face in the future. What we face now is a total distortion and a regression of such limits, basically the freedom of expression ends at the precise moment someone gets offended, and that was this precise case. It baffles me you can believe that locking people for what they say will solve their issue, all societies having done that have failed.
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