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artu
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posted September 30, 2015 11:33 PM |
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Even if there was no auto-capitalization, why would using correct grammar be hypocrisy? Should we write adolf hitler, just because we don't like him?
Are you just messing with Herry, Sal? Conservepadia? And while at it, the way they so blatantly twist information almost always simply stuns me, the first sentences they present as proof of him being a Muslim:
Obama declared in prepared remarks, "The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country - I know, because I am one of them."
Even a five year-old can realize the part in bold refers to "many other Americans." What is the claim here, he's a secret Muslim, yet he announces it in puns or something!
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posted September 30, 2015 11:46 PM |
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elodin
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posted October 01, 2015 01:02 AM |
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fred79 said:
do you have any other source besides fox news? because they have always hated obama, and are against democrats in the first place...
Fox is much more fair and balanced than the democrat controlled stations ABC NBC CBS MSNBC, which have not reported on the Syrian Christian refugees being denied assylum as it would reflect negatively on their Messiah.
There are a number of links to other sites discussing the issue and Congress is going to be addressing the issue soon. But you may not hear about it if you only listen to left-wing news.
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/09/26/obama-throws-christian-refugees-to-lions/
Google it yourself if you want more links.
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elodin
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posted October 01, 2015 01:12 AM |
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artu said:
Obama declared in prepared remarks, "The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country - I know, because I am one of them."
Even a five year-old can realize the part in bold refers to "many other Americans." What is the claim here, he's a secret Muslim, yet he announces it in puns or something!
Actually he is saying that he lived in a Muslim nation once. His early childhood was spent in Indonessia, where he attended a mosque with his father and memorized large portions of the Qur'an.
As for his claim that he is a Christian I don't buy it because of his words and deeds. But we are getting off-topic
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posted October 01, 2015 01:34 AM |
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Yes, that's what I also said, when he says "I am one of them" he refers to "many other Americans" who have Muslims in their families (his father's side of the family is Muslim) and who lived in a Muslim-majority country (Indonesia).
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posted October 01, 2015 02:17 AM |
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elodin said:
Fox is much more fair and balanced than the democrat controlled stations ABC NBC CBS MSNBC, which have not reported on the Syrian Christian refugees being denied assylum as it would reflect negatively on their Messiah.
i'm not one to buy what any news media is selling, no matter what their agenda is. and that's the point: they only have their agenda's. what i tend to actually believe, is video footage with audio. and that's only if i know the background of what is happening.
this isn't necessarily off-topic, because a lot of what is said about the migrant crisis, isis, and asad, are by those very news media's we are discussing; and indeed, all news media across the world, more or less.
all my point is, is i wouldn't be so quick to judge, based on these sources. and certainly not on just one source, or two, being that they have the same agenda. if you have many different people saying different things, you look for the similarities. if there are none, then you can't properly come to a conclusion on what is happening. now, if EVERYONE was saying the same thing, or at least saying something similar, i might be inclined to believe mass media. but since they're not(and, aren't ever likely to say the same thing), i feel comfortable in knowing that i actually know next to nothing about it.
what i've SEEN, and believe, is isis members murdering people. their videos are throughout the internet. but i've seen people of all races and religions murdered for whatever reason, and i've seen what happens out of the mass media's focus. which is to say, barbaric things, based on the offending party's agenda. so, my focus is primarily on the extinguishing of those atrocities, which CAUSE people to leave their homelands, by the hundreds of thousands, or millions.
because that is the source of the issue. what people say with their agenda's, is entirely beside the point. they aren't in control of things, they are merely there to sway the public's opinions.
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posted October 01, 2015 02:54 AM |
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"Obama Religion
Obama is a practicing Christian (Congregationalist). His biological father, Obama Sr., came from a mixed Christian-Muslim-Animist family background. His stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was a Muslim, while his mother, Ann Dunham, was a Christian. His maternal grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, were Christians.
While living in Chicago, Obama and his wife, Michelle, attended Sunday service at the Trinity United Church of Christ for almost two decades. However, following controversial remarks made by the church's pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, in 2008, they have moved to a different, undisclosed, congregation."
Obama's a smart man, and he's probably an atheist or a really casual, lay worshiper at best. He's proven himself often in the past to be a puppet president, democrat yet took more redneck decisions than Bush himself. I bet most of his pro Muslim comments, he repeated from his advisors a few minutes before the show started.
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posted October 01, 2015 02:56 AM |
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Edited by Corribus at 03:49, 01 Oct 2015.
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Fried some spam. Please try to stay on topic, which, in case it wasn't clear, isn't about Obama's religion.
EDIT: Kayna, do you need a more potent reminder to stay on topic?
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posted October 01, 2015 05:46 AM |
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Meh. Your post wasn't there when I started replying.
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Herry
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posted October 01, 2015 01:51 PM |
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Pretending he was Muslim, a large portion of the people in this thread said Muslims are causing trouble, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember anybody saying exceptions or something.
So watch it, a word is never as useful and powerful as the meaning of it.
@ Corribus, I know you will say this post is off-topic, please don't delete it.
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posted October 01, 2015 07:09 PM |
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Herry said:
Pretending he was Muslim, a large portion of the people in this thread said Muslims are causing trouble, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember anybody saying exceptions or something.
So watch it, a word is never as useful and powerful as the meaning of it.
Actually in my first post in the thread I said that among the refugees are a smattering of terrorists. That smattering of Muslim terrorists among the refugees is going to result in more terror attacks in Europe and in the US. I am quite sure the US is not going to properly vet all the refugees, nor will the nations of the EU but unfortunately there will be no criminal prosecution of those government officials who fail to do so. Political correctness rules all and destroys many. Pointing out that most of the terror attacks around the world come out of some version is Islam is not Isalophopia nor is it hatred to point out that a percentage of the refugees will seek to commit acts of terror in the name of Islam in the future.
Government officials should not just have sympathy for the refugees. They must consider the impact of those refugees on the people of their nation. And terrorism is one of those impacts. Which is one reason I suggested refugee camps and safe zones rather than integrating them into a new nation.
So no, not all and not most Muslims are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. However make no mistake that a sizable minority of Muslims, especially from that region are. If you wish I can Google links to polls that show as much. As I have said in the past average Joe Muslim makes a good neighbor but unfortunately there are those among the refugees who do not wish to be good neighbors. They wish to kill as many of us as possible
I could care less what religion any government official is or what religion any refugee is. If someone seeks refuge in a nation however he should certainly respect the laws of the land and if his belief system is not comparable with the laws of the land he should seek refuge elsewhere. And government officials enforce the laws of the land rather than the laws of their religion.
Government officials must realize that in receiving The refugees and integrating them in the national population means they are condemning some of their own citizens to death. The primary purpose of any government should be the safety of the citizens of the nation. So the refugee crisis should be addressed in such a way as to minimize danger to the EU and US rather than to maximize the comfort of the refugees. I again suggest refugee camps and safe zones. Any refugee who thinks he is entitled to more should be invited to be self-reliant.
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posted October 01, 2015 07:32 PM |
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the 99% of them are not refugees. just economic migrants, and turds who follow 3 lines of Koran taken out of context and use it as an excuse to butcher people. These kind of people I bet never even read the Koran.
Still, that's not what's pissing me off.
Meanwhile while we still are fed with epic bullcrap about rooskie invading us any minute, my government is doing it's best at kissing rear ends.
To fill the void they created(mass emigration) they want these... people. with providing them benefits(free education is one of them), while many of us are living off measly 300 euro(or less) a month, have to pay riddiculuos sums for a tuition of questionable quality, having to fight bureaucrats for every tiny benefit and many many more.
I think the citizens of Lithuania should come first. Recently we had a quadruplet born, and instead of celebrating and being happy, the mother looked as if she did a terrible crime. and that is not nice. Because our government doesn't give two rat's turds about the people that elected them. They just feed us crap about Putin invading.
These "refugees" want to get inside Germany, France and UK for benefits. Benefits in Grybauskaistan suck ass. There were even interviews with "refugees" who said they're rather go back then come here.
But my dear commies are doing their best to continuosly piss the people off, all the while proclaiming the opposing parties as "agents of Putin". hooray god bleeping damnit.
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posted October 01, 2015 08:12 PM |
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Edited by Kayna at 20:15, 01 Oct 2015.
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elodin said:
Actually in my first post in the thread I said that among the refugees are a smattering of terrorists. That smattering of Muslim terrorists among the refugees is going to result in more terror attacks in Europe and in the US.
So what. Americans are terrorists too. So are like a quarter of all army personnel the moment they step out of their country. I say we make a world wide registry of everyone that works in any branch of all governments and write down their full names + addresses in it. Violence will never stop ; at least, this way, terror attacks will happen to people related to their problems rather than innocent people buying groceries at a super market.
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posted October 01, 2015 09:02 PM |
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That makes me wonder if it would be possible to make seperate refugee camps near the borders. Although my own answer to that is probably not.
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posted October 01, 2015 09:41 PM |
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Such camps are unfeasible, this is "I sprawl behind my screen and resolve humanity problems" attitude.
You can't know how long will last the war; so how educate the children, how give jobs to adults, how create the illusion and reality of... life around, and not just put your life into parentheses behind a fence? Then the camp will become a full city with schools, universities, infrastructures and all, so what for a camp?
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elodin
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posted October 01, 2015 10:45 PM |
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Kayna said:
So what. Americans are terrorists too. So are like a quarter of all army personnel the moment they step out of their country.
(deleted part).....at least, this way, terror attacks will happen to people related to their problems rather than innocent people buying groceries at a super market.
Jihadists commit acts of terror because they think it brings Allah joy and that he will reward them with lots of virgins in the afterlife.
Americans are not terrorists. It is true that !some! few Americans become terrorists, primarily Islamic terrorists. The refugees are primarily Muslims. As I noted earlier most terrorism around the world is committed by people who think Allah loves for them to kill non-Muslims and those who they beieve are apostate. The refugee population contains a much greater concentration of terrorists than the American public does and Obama's unilateral decision to bring in more than the immigration laws passed by Congress allows is unwise.
As for your statement that 25 percent of all army troops are terrorists as an American combat veteran I am highly offended. Obviously you have no clue about what combat entails or what people who have served in the military have endured and sacrificed for your freedoms. If you had a clue about such things you would never have made such a statement.
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posted October 01, 2015 11:03 PM |
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elodin said:
Kayna said:
So what. Americans are terrorists too. So are like a quarter of all army personnel the moment they step out of their country.
(deleted part).....at least, this way, terror attacks will happen to people related to their problems rather than innocent people buying groceries at a super market.
As for your statement that 25 percent of all army troops are terrorists as an American combat veteran I am highly offended. Obviously you have no clue about what combat entails or what people who have served in the military have endured and sacrificed for your freedoms. If you had a clue about such things you would never have made such a statement.
are you sure, elodin? i couldn't count all the people i killed while working to make sure that everyone in HQ had internet and printing capabilities. i remember that one time when i went outside the wire on a convoy, and slaughtered tons of innocent civilians by waving "hi" to them and tossing the kids water bottles and mre's before ending up inside the wire someplace else, where i continued my mass-murdering spree of keeping the abilities for the upper ranks to be able to send emails to their evil loved ones back home. those emails burned hundreds of people alive, let me tell you. there was blood in the streets wherever we went; from the traffic jam in baghdad where i was nervous that the countless iraqi's might toss a grenade into the back of the truck i was posted in; to that time when people forgot to feed me while i guarded the workers that would come in the wire to work for us, and i had to slit their throats by accepting some chicken they gave me when i was hungry, and really getting to like them. i remember that one time i killed a bunch of iraqi workers when we were joking around with each other...
i tell you, it was a bloodbath. and one i'll not likely forget. it made me so happy to murder all those people with kindness and understanding, while i was able to keep the wicked storm troopers connected to their evil loved ones back home at the death star. 
@ kayna: you're hilarious, man. i'll have to keep that in mind in future discussions you're involved in. 
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posted October 01, 2015 11:40 PM |
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Elodin, terrorism has many faces. Invading a sovereign state following lies and false claims, which lead to the death of half million persons and sent a country 5 centuries back, is a modern form of terrorism. The one where you claim to be self-righteous yet you drop bombs on people who did nothing to you. This is even more condemnable that the 11 septembre or Boston, because it is not even motivated by retaliation.
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Kayna
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posted October 02, 2015 12:06 AM |
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Edited by Kayna at 00:20, 02 Oct 2015.
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elodin said:
As for your statement that 25 percent of all army troops are terrorists as an American combat veteran I am highly offended. Obviously you have no clue about what combat entails or what people who have served in the military have endured and sacrificed for your freedoms. If you had a clue about such things you would never have made such a statement.
Oh, it's true I have no real proof to show. The number was pulled out of my butt. But I'm not a hippy whining between two blunts nor am I a brainwashed extreme leftie that thinks every problem can be solved peacefully. I'm a victim of gang stalking since I'm 9 years old, and my gang stalking is definitely police approved. I don't owe my freedom to any soldier or cop or etc considering that a major part of the quality of life that I could've had was wrecked by people coming from that branch of our "civilized" society.
So you see, I have my own argument of pain to bring on the table. If you want recognition for what you did, best seek it from people you actually helped.
Personal lives aside, I just know too well all the various Western tricks to screw other people's lives while keeping a good facade and so I just can't take the "Western" word at face value, and would rather assume things than seek the truth from liars or misinformed people or biased people or whatever.
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@ kayna: you're hilarious, man. i'll have to keep that in mind in future discussions you're involved in.
I just said "Americans are terrorists" just like many toss that "Muslims are terrorist" carelessly. Yes, don't take it seriously and laugh a bit 
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posted October 02, 2015 12:43 AM |
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Kayna said:
Americans are terrorists too.
I agree...
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