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Kayna
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posted September 29, 2015 03:46 PM |
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Meh. I agree with the second amendment right, but only in theory, that is. In practice, there is a clear problem. The second amendment is there so citizens can make sure their government doesn't become corrupt, but since we got people like Bush starting wars which leads to 1.5 million deaths, and not a single citizen applies his second amendment right correctly, I think it's time we apply stricter gun laws.
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fred79
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posted September 29, 2015 07:23 PM |
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Doomforge said:
fred79 said:
yeah, it would make sense that the cops are more subdued in europe, because they don't face an potentially armed populace. which is a good thing for citizens of the states, regardless of what the non-gun nuts think.
Can you kindly not call anti-gun people "nuts"? Thanks in advance.
i only say that, because the anti-gun people call pro-gun people "gun nuts". i figure, i'd coin the term. but i understand your point. it wasn't meant as a slight, but more in jest because of the usual back-and-forth between the two groups. which is how i am, really. i'll end up saying things that offend people, that was only meant to make them crack a smile. 
if you want me to, i'll change it, no prob. but i'll hold you to your stance if you want to take that statement seriously: if someone who is anti-gun starts throwing the "people who own guns are nuts" stuff at me(which they typically do), i'll expect you to chime in about it.
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Doomforge
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posted September 29, 2015 07:29 PM |
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Oh I will, if I spot it that is  It's still Cor's territory and I thread lightly and watch my back around here
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fred79
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posted September 29, 2015 07:38 PM |
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lol, snow, and i thought you were a boss here. that's it, i'm flying off the handle. you done did it now. 
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Herry
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posted September 29, 2015 07:38 PM |
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I didn't follow this thread, and I obviously don't want to read 6 pages of dull, boring, low EQ, OSM content. Can somebody give me a summary of just WTF happened?
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fred79
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posted September 29, 2015 07:40 PM |
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the migration issue is still happening, herry. 
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blizzardboy
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posted September 30, 2015 06:58 AM |
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Herry said:
I didn't follow this thread, and I obviously don't want to read 6 pages of dull, boring, low EQ, OSM content. Can somebody give me a summary of just WTF happened?
Over a hundred thousand Herrys just moved to Europe. A lot of people are scared about it.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted September 30, 2015 11:09 AM |
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Just at the founding of Europe (after WWII) there were over 60million refugees, and they became the core labour force of Europe. Trouble is, there is no European catastrophe where most of the infrastructure was blown to hell thus a heavy demand for labour, quite the contrary there's a surplus of labour (a pretty big one at that). The nations of Europe would be doing their own citizens grave injustice if they helped others with tax money or by accommodating outsiders (refugees) before their own citizens are free from poverty/starvation and homelessness. Especially when the refugees are portrayed as ingrates and quite violent (of course any generalisation is only % correct, but it will definitely apply to many refugees). The refugees have already been treated decently and humanely in Turkey, they are no longer refugees after they left Turkey, they're immigrants (they're no longer fleeing for their lives from war as they had a safe haven in Turkey where they were fed and sheltered).
It's ironic that the breakdown of the borders in Europe and the benefits it has wrought (free movement of labour and to an extent capital as well) can now only be secured by erecting a real border around the EU.
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The EU refugee crisis will only grow worse I fear. This is because in order for the problem to be solved the fledgling Islamic califate must be destroyed. But Obama is unwilling to put troops on the ground to get it done and no one else will do so unless the US is leading the way. So hope that in a year and a half a Republican president will be in the white house or Obama has an epiphany. Or that the EU members decide to stand up to ISIS.
It appears we must look to our great hope Putin to lead to charge (putting the west to great shame while doing so), however there are reports (idk if it's propaganda or whatnot) that some units refused to enter Syria, I assume it has something to do with the disastrous Afghan war.
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An Ivorian immigrant came into a town, broke into an house and brutally murdered an elderly couple, to steal something; countless immigrants travel in the territory of Catania to get some charity.
I resent this accusation! My spawn are friendly creatures and would never stoop to lowly murder or theft, retract thy words immediately!!!
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artu
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posted September 30, 2015 12:14 PM |
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Tsar said:
The refugees have already been treated decently and humanely in Turkey, they are no longer refugees after they left Turkey, they're immigrants (they're no longer fleeing for their lives from war as they had a safe haven in Turkey where they were fed and sheltered).
Well, yes, but there is a limit to the people one country take at a time and take care of properly, both because of the budget and infrastructure. When their conditions start to worsen, the refugees then turn to crime or begging on streets which then, creates a reaction from the public. Do you think it is fair to expect whole Europe to do nothing about 800.000 people by saying 2 million of them are "already safe" in just one country?
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Locksley
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posted September 30, 2015 01:27 PM |
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Intelligent message from a televised charity concert yesterday:
1. If this arena represents Syria each one of you represent 2000 Syrians.
2. Half of the arena is staying home, 1/4 is internal refugees, 1/4 is in the region, a part of the VIP section is in Europe, and those on the front row are in Sweden.
3. You are very welcome to Sweden, not least because you showed us how bad the situation really is in Syria and in the refugee camps. More could have been done for you.
4. UNHCR can give refugees in the camp a good life for 2,5 € per person and day.
5. UNHCR currently have 1 € per person and day. No school, little food...
6. Help must reach the people in the refugee camps because they are humans in need of help.
7. The war must be stopped. If all of Syria except the black flag moves to Europe the war is isn't stopped, it's lost.
8. A part of the solution is giving help to refugee camps, because angry young men who can't support their families are increasingly possible to recruit to the black flag.
9. Only Lebanon, not Europe, has reached the limit of how many refugees a country can support. Europeans must help people wherever they are, in Europe and in Lebanon. Discussing about helping here or there is to waste time.
10. Money is not a problem for Europe as a whole to find: In addition to what they already have, the UNHCR need only 2 billion €.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted September 30, 2015 03:35 PM |
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artu said:
Well, yes, but there is a limit to the people one country take at a time and take care of properly, both because of the budget and infrastructure. When their conditions start to worsen, the refugees then turn to crime or begging on streets which then, creates a reaction from the public. Do you think it is fair to expect whole Europe to do nothing about 800.000 people by saying 2 million of them are "already safe" in just one country?
No, my point was that they should not be referred to as refugees but immigrants after leaving Turkey, as they're not "fleeing" Turkey, they're immigrants and should be processed as immigrants, that would be more acceptable. Not a violent mob that discends on our borders and start making demands.
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Locksley
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posted September 30, 2015 03:43 PM |
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In a way they are fleeing from Turkey where they can't stay since UNHCR have 1 euro and not 2,5
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Locksley
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posted September 30, 2015 03:58 PM |
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Which means that they are still refugees: they fled from the war, not poverty, but to a place where they couldn't stay for a longer time.
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posted September 30, 2015 07:44 PM |
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@Tsor-Ivor Putin is intent on destroying the Syrian rebels first. Obama had warned there will be grave consequences if Putin bombed non-ISIS targets but there are reports that is exactly what he is doing.
I do think Putin will get around to attacking ISIS afterwards to futher strengthen Syria's dictator. He will put boots on the ground and unlike Obama he understands how to wage a war and fights to win, not for show.
It will however be some time before the tide of refugees stops. And I'm not sure Putin will fight ISIS outside Syria so people will continue to flee ISIS from other nations.
It is a shame the world is allowing a relatively small army (maybe 50000 troops) to cause such troubles.
I think safe zones and refugee camp's should be set up rather than trying to integrate massive numbers of refugees into various nations. Since there are large numbers of young men in those refugee numbers they should go back and fight ISIS. Why must others fight in their sted?
Obama had pledged the US will accept a large number of refugees but evidently Christians fleeing ISIS need not apply.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/30/iraqi-christians-denied-asylum-in-us-facing-looming-expulsion/#
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Herry
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posted September 30, 2015 08:08 PM |
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I understand the fear of the Muslim 'intoxication' and ****, but now Christians are denied? No thanks, my brain is too clean to try and comprehend this bull****.
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posted September 30, 2015 09:25 PM |
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Tsar-Ivor said:
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I resent this accusation! My spawn are friendly creatures and would never stoop to lowly murder or theft, retract thy words immediately!!!
Dammit, I'm sorry master Ivor, I meant an immigrant coming from the Cote d'Ivoire, not one of your glorious spawns.
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fred79
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posted September 30, 2015 09:57 PM |
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elodin said:
Obama had pledged the US will accept a large number of refugees but evidently Christians fleeing ISIS need not apply.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/30/iraqi-christians-denied-asylum-in-us-facing-looming-expulsion/#
do you have any other source besides fox news? because they have always hated obama, and are against democrats in the first place(or so they always appear to be. because i'm not a believer of the whole democrat-vs-republican bullsnow anyway). but using one source that claims something based on it's own beliefs is little more than conjecture. you might as well post a link to the 700 club, for your views on muslims. i mean, really, dude. that's one-sided information gathering; you'll always get similar results.
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Kayna
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posted September 30, 2015 10:04 PM |
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It's because Obama is Muslim.
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Herry
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posted September 30, 2015 10:15 PM |
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Kayna said:
It's because Obama is Muslim.
In case you take back what you said, I'm quoting it. That is offensive and racist to the president himself, and in a way towards Islam. It's not Islam that's wrong, it's people who do it the wrong way 
Also, for God's sake, if you don't respect Islam, why the **** capitalize it? That's hypocricy.
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Salamandre
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posted September 30, 2015 10:21 PM |
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How is offensive calling a cat a cat? Everyone knows he is muslim. And about capitalization, is mostly automated corrector, it automatically capitalize religions, countries and nationalities.
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