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Salamandre
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posted September 20, 2015 06:11 PM |
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You don't need to hypnotize them, all you need is criminalize actions x and y, then have enough leftist brainwashed morons who repeat in chorus the motto. I am very unpleasantly surprised how this turned effective into France -at least- over last 1-2 years. A load of brilliant intellectuals have been softly pushed out of medias, to favor biased journalists which have lost all notion about their job concept and impartiality. Books are censored, comic shows are censored, public demonstrations are not authorized.
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Ebonheart
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posted September 20, 2015 07:00 PM |
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It's the same in Sweden mate, if not worse. But I suffer with you.
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Kayna
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posted September 20, 2015 07:34 PM |
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Edited by Kayna at 21:26, 20 Sep 2015.
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An actual brainwash can only work on young people. It's a long process and it must start early. I know, I was victim of one. Anyone here could be actively stoning women to death for adultery and think it's a good thing to do. Same with carpet bombing foreign countries based on religion. Or forcing every 18 years old male to jump off a 6 meter tree as an adulthood ritual. Or whatever else you come across that's just plain odd or stupid or mean. Some mental illness exception may apply.
Mentality is often a sugar coated version of brainwash.
I agree that imposing political repercussions, often under the form of excessive punishment for criticizing the current government or trying to change them is easier than an actual brainwash, and as effective, if not better.. but from my Western point of view, I find some government outright idiotic. Not sugar coating their manipulation of the masses via fear won't necessarily work. People might get in the streets. People might revolt. Really, nobody does it better than the American and the Canadian government.
The trick is to give citizens everything, usually fear along with good things. Like money or good living conditions. Picture a crook offering you money in one hand and pointing a gun with the other. Take the money... The Western governments take revenge on such dissident in an unofficial way rather than an open example, and that way, only other dissidents will get the message. Also not persecute anyone speaking ill of the government, but only those that matters. One needs not to make an example of every single one of them. You just make an example of a selected few, and you get the same result of fear without looking like an evil government, because you still provide good living conditions for the others and they might not even understand what's going on.
Good living conditions turn people into pussies over the years. They won't be as willing to fight. Then you make an example of only a selected few, and you cover it up with bullsnow stories. The example isn't obvious officially, it is just obvious to those that truly understands what's going on. People will tend to believe those bullsnow stories, as long as there aren't too many of them. "It only happens to others, not to me" has become "It rarely happens so it must be the victim's fault". One thing I learned in my dumb ass gang stalking is that the amount of friends and amount of enemies you have is very important. The morality of those friends and enemies might not be important. If someone has a lot of friends, keep good appearances, and only has one enemy, this enemy can speak out about the injustices done to him and nobody will believe him.
This is the point you reach when you live in the Western world. The fear gets stuffed deep inside you because of all those other "good" things they provide to the point where you don't even realize the fear is there anymore, and in my opinion, the end result isn't an actual brainwash, but it sure is borderline so. Many people where I live have conflicted political opinions, not because a subject is hard to judge, but rather they might take the side of the law or the government one day, and take the side of whoever's being oppressed the other day, even if most variables in the story seems the same to me. A lot seems to have irrational thoughts rather than political "beliefs". Opinions can be influenced by presenting it in a certain way, careful wording and other factors that are not straight up facts or plausible explanations and reasons.
A small, well placed dose of fear covered with a confusing life style of good decisions for our citizens along with evil decisions to loot and scavenge other countries or just chop the progress off their feet to keep them poor, covered with bogus excuses on why we do such things, leaves my Western brethren in a confused state due to a kind of self questioning morality that resembles a lot our own government's hypocrite stand. And the synergy between the government's brainwash and it's people starts there. Admitting our wrongs becomes hard. Some will solve this headache by becoming egoist and only care about themselves. Most will spend their whole lives in this struggle without coming up with any kind of solution. Some will believe anything from the government as long as they say "its for the greater good" in their message. Some will not admit what really needs to be done to bring a real change. You can see that by comparing what rebels in other countries are willing to do when they take it out in the streets compared to the almost pointless demonstrations we have over here.
Confusion is the key to a proper, more effective brainwash. You confuse the victim first to make him more vulnerable to the following brainwash. Something you don't see in other countries because they don't give enough effort into looking good like the US and Canada does.
Now that I understand how intelligent the US government is, add to that their semi recent, huge spendings in intelligence and espionage, then look at how stupid some other countries are at trying to subjugate their citizens into fearful obedience without sugar coating it in any way, makes me think that the US must have an invisible hand manipulating and provoking many of these odd things going on, like the jailing of critical journalists or even political opponents that might win the next elections. And of course, some are so plain stupid, the Americans don't need to do anything. I can only imagine a few high ranked Americans receiving reports from their spies, and be like "Eh, don't worry, that one's so stupid we don't need to meddle in their affairs and they'll still go on a small scale civil war within the next few years! Bwa ha ha ha!" And they laugh with both hands on their bellies and eat a nice steak with wine.
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fred79
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posted September 20, 2015 08:01 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 20:07, 20 Sep 2015.
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/off-topic:
artu said:
I think fred's talking about direct mind control, with certain drugs etc, not propaganda and indoctrination. While it's true that had been experimented with on individuals back in the 60's, they failed big time. You can not hypnotize masses in that sense, you can do it with state schools and controled media to a certain level but even that is getting harder with the internet. Most peope are certainly still affected by state propaganda but not to a complete brainwashing level.
i wasn't just talking about what happened in the 60's; i was talking about a continuation of like programs that ran after that(and you know the saying about cockroaches, how if you see one there's many more you don't see?), such as MKUltra*. i think people fail to understand that these kinds of projects are always running somewhere, though i wouldn't think all of them are as extreme in nature(but i could very well be wrong. sometimes, like with the roaches, what you don't see is more than what you ever do see; which i think holds true of any government, let alone, much about the world of humans and society at large). i could go on and on about the programs i think exist, that never get exposed to the public eye; but this isn't the thread for that. just wanted to show a little more information on the more specific matter i was discussing(aside from human's reasoning), is all.
*i apologize beforehand, as the wikipedia article that cites it's sources at the bottom, was the only webpage i could find that had info that seemed more generic than the tinfoil-hat kind you can find around the internet. i had heard of it before, but never bothered to look it up. but then, i never doubted for a second that these kind of programs exist anyway; among others that wouldn't appear benevolent, if exposed to the public.
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Pawek_13
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posted September 20, 2015 08:15 PM |
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After Germany's and Austria's proposition of financing refugee camps on the Middle East I'm nearly certain that issue of accepting refugees to EU will be partially solved, as living conditions in that places would improve. However, will it stop Syrians from coming to Europe? I'm not so sure about that. In order to do so, ISIS has to be erradicated and Bashar al-Assad needs to resign. This won't happen without Russia's aid and at the moment its relations with EU are cold to say the least, hence such hlp would be a great surprise. So, while inflow of immigrants into EU might be dwarved, there would be still many who want to leave Asia in pursuit of better living conditions, unless some kind of miracle happens.
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posted September 21, 2015 06:50 PM |
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markkur
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posted September 21, 2015 07:02 PM |
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artu said:
Most people are certainly still affected by state propaganda but not to a complete brainwashing level.
I think you are either overestimating or underestimating one or the other or both. 
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Zenofex
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posted September 22, 2015 07:55 PM |
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The EU Council of ministers (of interior) agreed on the obligatory quotas for refugee allocation throughout the union. Hungary, the Czech Republic, Romania and Slovakia voted against the decision and Finland abstained. The implementation of this thing will be interesting, to say the least. Especially in the opposing countries.
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Pawek_13
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posted September 22, 2015 08:43 PM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 20:44, 22 Sep 2015.
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Zenofex said:
The EU Council of ministers (of interior) agreed on the obligatory quotas for refugee allocation throughout the union. Hungary, the Czech Republic, Romania and Slovakia voted against the decision and Finland abstained. The implementation of this thing will be interesting, to say the least. Especially in the opposing countries.
I have two words to say: financial penalties. Easy? Easy.
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Zenofex
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posted September 22, 2015 08:59 PM |
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Riiight, given that the governments which object against the quotas have significant popular support on the matter, penalties will certainly stabilize the situation. 
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posted September 22, 2015 09:06 PM |
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Especially when you consider that the Hungarian Parliament approved the use of non-lethal action against immigrants and the intervention of the army (Tsar, confirm this please...)
Wouldn't filing sanctions against them be against the popular decree of a state? Wouldn't it be a violation of the people's sovereignty?
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EnergyZ
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posted September 22, 2015 09:21 PM |
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Edited by EnergyZ at 21:24, 22 Sep 2015.
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Those Hungarian politicians, led by that Orban fella... pfeh. They claim barricading their borders with walls would be to "defend the EU", then have those immigrants spread around the other neighboring countries. Then Hungary claims those countries must *contain* those people before they spread to the other countries. Talk about some bigotry and hipocrisy, all to defend "their rights". *spits*
It is so obvious that Hungary does not want to be a part of this and just sends the responsibility to its neighboring countries.
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Gryphs
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posted September 22, 2015 09:27 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
It is so obvious that Hungary does not want to be a part of this and just sends the responsibility to its neighboring countries.
Can you blame them look at all the problems it is causing.
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Salamandre
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posted September 22, 2015 09:32 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
just sends the responsibility to its neighboring countries.
What responsibility? There is not a single law in its constitution saying Hungary is responsible of Syria or whatever. This is a masquerade, rich countries from EU already gave up, while little countries which joined recently desperately try to preserve their identity and sovereignty.
Bet next ones will think twice before joining the famous EU.
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EnergyZ
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posted September 22, 2015 10:32 PM |
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Edited by EnergyZ at 22:33, 22 Sep 2015.
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Gryphs said:
EnergyZ said:
It is so obvious that Hungary does not want to be a part of this and just sends the responsibility to its neighboring countries.
Can you blame them look at all the problems it is causing.
Maybe I can't. But they have to be aware that only a minority will stay in Hungary, the rest will likely go to beyond, to Austria or Germany. And yeah, another country has decided to block the borders, but then a neighboring one started talking how "they'll bring this issue up to the EU for it violates this law".
But that doesn't even explain how they sent a message to Syrian newspapers "if you come to our country, we'll arrest you or deport you back" or somesuch nonsense.
Salamandre said:
EnergyZ said:
just sends the responsibility to its neighboring countries.
What responsibility? There is not a single law in its constitution saying Hungary is responsible of Syria or whatever. This is a masquerade, rich countries from EU already gave up, while little countries which joined recently desperately try to preserve their identity and sovereignty.
Bet next ones will think twice before joining the famous EU.
No, not speaking that Hungary is responsible for Syria, I am not claiming that at all. But then no other country is responsible either, yet they still accept refugees, rather than blocking borders and having other countries take them instead. And they don't make such a giant fuss about it. Sure, it is a big mess, but they don't freak out.
It is odd, though. I can't exactly remember how or why, but Hungary did make that barricade month(s) ago, just before the refugees started going there.
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fred79
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posted September 22, 2015 11:35 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
It is odd, though. I can't exactly remember how or why, but Hungary did make that barricade month(s) ago, just before the refugees started going there.
that's called intel. or, if the exodus is part of what was actually orchestrated years ago with the iraq invasion, all it would take is a phone call to the right people, from the right people. like herding cattle, to get to the intended destination.
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Pawek_13
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posted September 22, 2015 11:45 PM |
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fred79 said:
that's called intel. or, if the exodus is part of what was actually orchestrated years ago with the iraq invasion, all it would take is a phone call to the right people, from the right people. like herding cattle, to get to the intended destination.
In Poland we're going to have elections in a month. One of the polititians told in the TV that the whole refugee crisis was set up to shift focus of Poles from elections to the refugees, so who knows...
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posted September 23, 2015 01:33 AM |
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It is so both ironic and tragic how the very same countries that themselves were struck by war and had masses of refugees themselves not even a century ago now deny freedom to the refugees of today.
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posted September 23, 2015 08:19 AM |
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xerox said:
It is so both ironic and tragic how the very same countries that themselves were struck by war and had masses of refugees themselves not even a century ago now deny freedom to the refugees of today.
Umm...what? What's WW1 got to do with this?
I consider myself liberal by most standards but this is exactly the kind of mindless drivel that has been pushed by the liberal media during the last few weeks.
If you are talking about the Hungarian exodus of '56 then that is a completely different matter. Back then western europe had to deal with an influx of around 200k hungarians who btw they shared a cultural bond with due to being part of the Austro-Hungarian empire. The Not to mention that this meant taking a stand against their ideological enemy the USSR who was literally at their doors.
The ones who left the country back then were actually the well educated, foreign speaking, usually young people who could be said were the best our society had to offer. Even so they had to be vetted first so that they could ensure that no soviet spies were amongst them. None of this "go where you want without any registration" bs that is expected by the liberal media.
If sh*t were to go down in Ukraine and we had to help out Ukranian refugees then we would take them gladly but we can not be expected to pick up the tab for Merkels policies concerning people from literally half a world away.
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Ebonheart
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posted September 23, 2015 10:32 AM |
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fuChris said:
Umm...what? What's WW1 got to do with this?
I consider myself liberal by most standards but this is exactly the kind of mindless drivel that has been pushed by the liberal media during the last few weeks.
He's pretty much brainwashed by the Swedish media, so you can expect mindless drivel.
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