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FirePaladin
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posted May 23, 2021 08:49 PM |
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Yeah, but visually they are absolutely different. The original were actual dead corpses with cybernetic implants, while these are some relatively badly rendered robot things, somewhat resembling a zombie. Don't worry, I expected you to have all released assets.
Yes, I might seem picky and all, but HotA didn't get where it is by using its very first models either, just because they couldn't do better at that moment.
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
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fred79
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posted May 23, 2021 08:51 PM |
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FirePaladin said:
That's not actually true. For the first 3 levels, you already had the finished level 1 creature look/final concept in the E3 screen, and the WIP level 2 and 3 creatures (the zombies you have aren't even zombies either, but robots). As for the level 4, MDT's model does not resemble the ogres well enough, and the weapon choice isn't optimal either. The minotaur is again, ok. The naga tank's current public asset is a strong deviation from the original concept (the weapons to begin with, as well as skin color). The level 7 would have also been 4-legged, and have certain specifications which I'd rather keep to those entrusted with them. And yes, I know what I'm saying here. Even just my first point in which I talked about E3 is enough to dismiss all others.
As for quality.... that's a much deeper and abstract subject, and it's hard to convince someone who accepts those robo-zombies that the quality and concept level of NWC isn't there.
Also, do read my previous, edited post. Again, I am not saying any of this on a personal level either.
i responded reguarding the cyber-zombies in the previous post. for the rest, yes, there is some deviance, but i think that deviance turned out for the better. after all, NWC wasn't done with their Forge work, but still in conceptual stages. if you remember, a lot of their original Heroes 3 artwork doesn't match the finished product they released.
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FirePaladin
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posted May 23, 2021 08:56 PM |
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Yes, they don't always match, but that doesn't excuse the lower quality either. And as I said, the first three levels were nearly finished anyway (so not conceptual phase anyway; and as stated by Gregory Fulton IIRC, in a more recent article, work on most creatures was indeed done, at least on model level).
As for NWC and its final concepts of things.... I'd rather not use a public thread for any of that, as I hinted with the level 7.
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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fred79
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posted May 23, 2021 09:01 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 21:03, 23 May 2021.
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you'll have to talk to hobbit about the quality, as i think he was the one who made the cyber-zombie models. myself, i think he did a fine job. you seem to be a more hardcore Forge fan than even i was, lol.
now, i'm much more interested in my Lovecraft and Fear factions. this project has been halted because of the aforementioned hiccups, anyway. once i get my 3D badge of honor, i'll finish this project, as it is nearest completion.
hell, i might even need your input then, so stick around. 
for the time being, i really don't want to take any attention away from HotA's Factory release, so i'll quit with this thread.
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FirePaladin
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posted May 23, 2021 09:03 PM |
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Ah, hobbit's model. His talent is unrecognizable nowadays if that's his old model lol.
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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fred79
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posted May 23, 2021 09:07 PM |
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that was his latest model, to the best of my knowledge. i saw another, more complex model for the cyber-zombie(from the HotA team, maybe axolotl?, i believe), but it was too futuristic, imo.
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FirePaladin
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posted May 23, 2021 09:08 PM |
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That HotA model was an aberration worthy of throwing in the trash bin kekw. And yes, that might be his latest model publicly at the very least, but I know an earlier version of his newer model was leaked somewhere.
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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fred79
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posted May 23, 2021 09:09 PM |
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got a link, or was that unintended for release at the time? and as for the hush-hush of the level 7, i'm confused. you can hmu via hcm if you want.
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FirePaladin
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posted May 23, 2021 09:10 PM |
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Unintended for release at that time afaIk, and I'm unsure how many would want me throwing a link just like this. Also, looks the model wasn't his either....
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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fred79
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posted May 23, 2021 09:27 PM |
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possibly alexander? he's the only other person i can think of that might've. but if it wasn't intended for release, then where's that project? scrapped to work on/for Factory?
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FirePaladin
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posted May 23, 2021 09:32 PM |
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Just a random thing at that time, afaIk. And I'll keep it at this on this thread.
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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fred79
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posted May 23, 2021 09:34 PM |
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FirePaladin
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posted May 23, 2021 09:35 PM |
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I did HCM you that short video of it since it was public though.
Edit: Ah, not yet, just waiting to hear if you wanna have me link it to you.
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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fred79
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posted May 23, 2021 09:58 PM |
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sorry, i was away for a moment.
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Bersy
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posted May 24, 2021 12:49 PM |
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Quote:
I've released all of my unfinished work in my Tavern thread(where you can find a vague explanation of why I'm not going to be modding anymore). you can download all of my unfinished and current work-in-progress(including new stuff set to go into the new patch, my unreleased Forge project stuff, my unreleased Fear project stuff, my unreleased Lovecraft project stuff, my 3 map campaign[the whole reason I started modding heroes in the first place was to improve my maps, which I doctored into the rough drafts of a 3-map-only campaign; minus the storyline and events, which I hadn't gotten into with depth yet; choosing to focus on the graphics and physical planning and layouts first]).
I can't use the hc link feature currently, so I have to leave this link to the Tavern thread:
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=45661&PID=1485508#focus
All Links are dead. Could you upload all your defs/lods, so I could save them for descendants?
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fred79
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posted May 25, 2021 04:12 AM |
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i released all that unfinished work because i thought my life was over. when i found i was still going to be around for the forseeable future, i reverted back to what i normally do; which is release things when they are done. same as everyone else who release content here; and fittingly so.
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Bersy
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posted May 25, 2021 11:49 AM |
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Hey, your life is almost over again! Gimme the links right now, ahah ))) So we still have nothing to download yet? ))
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fred79
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posted May 25, 2021 12:36 PM |
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it's not finished, man. maybe you can find someone who downloaded the old link in the 2 years it was available, though.
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Drakon-Deus
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CONTINUITY IS POWER
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posted January 30, 2023 07:07 AM |
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I'd still be interested in playing with the Forge.
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NimoStar
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Modding the Unmoddable
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posted January 30, 2023 07:31 AM |
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I didn't see the "too futuristic" hota forge zombies, where are them?
There is a downloadable hota forge but it doesn't even have zombies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef3kXjTtAac
Personally, I despise the "shield bearers" more than anything, they don't fit the rest of the town aesthetic choices (which is a lot of skin and post-punk/skinhead style clothes)
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