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kipshasz
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posted October 03, 2016 04:15 PM

The moral degradation of todays teens/young adults.

*rant warning*

First off, let's start with a little read, shall we?
Generation Snowflake



Now. Read the article? sounds familiar doesn't it?

Why such groups of people come to life? Is it the funds of various foundations overseen by G. Soros? Or something else all together?


Why are the people afraid to deviate from a current dogma? What year is it? Did times of Stalin returned, or are we facing a new era of good old fashioned McCarthyism?

I started to see these either SJW types or just general sissies in my university too. Little liberal kids, raised with heavy sheltering, just graduated high school. enrolled in political studies just to max out their credit numbers.
My political studies class' discussions always are between the lecturer, myself and a 28yo ex military dude(who is not Fredmuffin, altho I'm not so sure). The rest just sit there afraid to utter a thing, god forbid if some sensitive question turns up(here it's still the failed state of Ukraine), as it will nearly induce a mass psychosis.

The epic gasps that followed my comparison of Ukraine and Somalia was priceless. Priceless. Someone DARED to defy a dogma.
No one, except the lecturer herself couldn't come up with a suitable answer. One of my fellow students said that I was cruel. No more responses other than gasping.

Why is it that people are afraid to defy the dogma, and actually discuss without branding people(be it sexist, racist, vatnik, whatever). Why today's youth doesn't grow a pair and face the world with all of it's perils head on instead of running to some "safe space" and such?
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posted October 03, 2016 05:04 PM
Edited by mvassilev at 17:05, 03 Oct 2016.

Today's teenagers have lower pregnancy rates and get into fights less (source), and that's much more important than whatever the latest outrage about sensitivity is. If anything, today's young people are on average more moral than previous generations.

Also, there's nothing wrong with safe spaces per se. Some people have difficult lives in mainstream society because of various traits, and it's nice for them to be able to relax in a space with like-minded people. The problem is when they try to turn common spaces into a safe space, but the solution there is definitely not to deny them safe spaces altogether, because that incentivizes them to fight about all the space, instead of being able to carve a small chunk of it for themselves.
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posted October 03, 2016 05:25 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 17:47, 03 Oct 2016.

Really you'd think your Lithuanians would be hard-nut types who wouldn't be phased by anything, and if the Ivans every invaded you'd be full of glee to have at 'em. Now I can't help but picture a collection of namby-pambies that would wet themselves at the first sign of danger.

I don't know, I mean in my Politics and debating society I'm the only nationalist socialist and no one has felt offended by their own interpretation of my political stance, they either ask me or by nature understand. Like Friday I went out drinking with the Freshers and one asked me what my political belief is, buddy next to me said he's our very own Nationalist Socialist. The newbie then went on to say ah they're not inherently racist are they, and I glowed like a ****ing lightbulb, saying of course not, I also deviate from fascists as I don't hold to the survival of the fittest or any notion of racial superiority (I do believe in Darwin's underlying work, but not the conclusions people draw and have applied to humanity).

I don't know in my three years at university I've not encountered anyone who is easily offended, I even did a presentation in my first year on Nationalist Socialism, really bare-bone representation of what it is in my opinion (mixed with research).

Nothing like college, where everytime I opened my mouth I'd hear, 'omg you can't say that!' To be fair I spouted a lot of controvertial crap, like advocating mass capital punishments or mass deportation of criminals (seriously 50k a year for a normal prisoner, up to 200k-300k a year for someone in Broadmoor, like holy **** people, and we don't have money for free education or housing ? get real peeps). Sure I loosely believe in some of the stuff I say, but it's all exaggerated for the 'wow' factor.  

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Why is it that people are afraid to defy the dogma, and actually discuss without branding people(be it sexist, racist, vatnik, whatever). Why today's youth doesn't grow a pair and face the world with all of it's perils head on instead of running to some "safe space" and such?


The dogma is their comfort zone, I'm guessing they never had to deviate from it or ever considered doing so. Best part of university, is that I found that most of the stuff I learned from textbooks in previous years has pretty much all been utter bull**** and frankly indoctrination, you'd be spoon-fed answers to exams and forced to memorize their watered down simplistic answers to complex questions that even historians can't agree on. A problem that's prevalent in a lot of religious people, that they don't question what they're being spoonfed.

At university you finally face the hard truth, that you really know **** all, but are granted the chance to reinvent yourself and do your own research using the best possible materials you could ask for. Anyone clinging to their own safe bubbles and do not analytically question everything do not belong at uni imho.
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kipshasz
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posted October 03, 2016 05:41 PM

tSar-Ivor said:
Really you'd think your Lithuanians would be hard-nut types who wouldn't be phased by anything, and if the Ivans every invaded you'd be full of glee to have at 'em. Now I can't help but picture a collection of namby-pambies that would wet themselves at the first sign of danger.


Lol, that's so true. We have a bunch of dunces yelling "slava ukraine" and waving the rag of the failed state all over, but they're only loudmouths and prozac junkies, only tough enough to bark. When asked why don't they go and join the militias loyal to Kiev, they'd weasel out of the answer or tell you to move to Russia.

But hey, it's a dog's job to bark.


In all seriousness, NATO leaders said again and again(also to Sultan Erdogan), that if we provoke Russian Federation into an invasion of the Baltics, we'd be on our own.

More so, I believe that NATO troops present here are only adding fuel to the fire.
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posted October 03, 2016 05:41 PM
Edited by markkur at 17:44, 03 Oct 2016.

kipshasz said:
Read the article? sounds familiar doesn't it?


Yes Kip. The article is no fabrication, younger generations (as if some of the previous didn't need serious work in areas) are in far worse health than ever.

I have a nephew in his early 20s and to conserve his mind and values, "he accepted" being made an outcast...after he was driven out from every college social-circle and made a throw-away person for actually debating the "the new social (dis)order."

What is going on is <imvho> very hard to define because I think the answer like most serious problems today has a multitude of factors that have collided and with disastrous results.

Years back, today's Snowflake was sometimes called a Princess, which of course is just another term for "entitlement at the cost of all subjects"...no matter what that cost may be. A voice, opinion, belief, money, respect, etc. and the little-people dare not say anything that "tilts their self-anointed and self-crowned-crown."

I wondered if just the USA "Ugly state of America" (state meaning condition) was limited to our shores but because of sensible posters like yourself and many other here at HC over the last few years, I've realized the repeated dung-dumps going down here is happening all over the world and <imo> it IS connected.

I am going to list a few candidates for cause and would be curious what you or others think.

* The destruction of the family
* The destruction of the middle-class
* The expansion of the State Social Services (social-programming)
* The "Welfare State" (reward without effort)
* Voodoo Psychiatry practices. Science does not yet have a firm grasp on how the mind works and yet millions make a living - being experts.
* The explosion of unproven mind-altering drugs, now being pushed in
elementary schools down to FREAKIN' kindergarten!!!
* State programmed education. Which today reminds me of the State-programs pre WWII that existed in Germany, Japan and Italy...maybe others IDK.
* Sex=Love...generating unloved babies because the parents are not married and out for more "strange". So the State assumes the role of Parent in the end.
* How about every child on a team playing in a league getting a trophy!? Dead-last teams? "Here's your Gold-Statue, great job!" A kid that is not even learning the game? "For your work ethic" A kid that has zero talent for the game? "You can do everything sooo well!" Now how hosed-up is that???
* The above is one tiny glimpse of "Instant-Gratification" No effort, no thought...no nothing.

From my aged point of view this epidemic is already causing and will cause greater harm to the folks that adopt it (no matter their age) and of course also to the folks that give a damn about these same people.

I'll stop here. I've probably already written too much already. I've heard attention-spans are in serious decline and I'm not sure when the downturn started.


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posted October 03, 2016 05:51 PM
Edited by frostysh at 18:12, 03 Oct 2016.

Comparing to the braindamaged madness in the past of the human kind, teenagers today is an angels. Even in the 20th century the teenagers has been widely used to achieve a horror. i.e. Nazi German, and the any other Communistic State. There was even a special programs to make "a good citizen that will burn jewsish guys


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Hitler Youth

The Mindset of the Hitler-Jugend

or will kill a class enemies with no regrets"


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June 2, ten thousand North Korean young pioneers presented wreaths to the statue of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il on the Longevity Hill.

North Korea celebrates the 66th anniversary of the founding of the Communist Youth League

from the a very young age , using a different propaganda techniques,  so imho the today nonsense like that



I mean teenagers like that is not so bad comparing to the past.  

And of course in the poor regions the teenagers is a totally different from a teenagers in the rich regions of the Earth . . . This is obviously.


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* The destruction of the family
* The destruction of the middle-class
* The expansion of the State Social Services (social-programming)
* The "Welfare State" (reward without effort)
* Voodoo Psychiatry practices. Science does not yet have a firm grasp on how the mind works and yet millions make a living - being experts.
* The explosion of unproven mind-altering drugs, now being pushed in
elementary schools down to FREAKIN' kindergarten!!!
* State programmed education. Which today reminds me of the State-programs pre WWII that existed in Germany, Japan and Italy...maybe others IDK.
* Sex=Love...generating unloved babies because the parents are not married and out for more "strange". So the State assumes the role of Parent in the end.
* How about every child on a team playing in a league getting a trophy!? Dead-last teams? "Here's your Gold-Statue, great job!" A kid that is not even learning the game? "For your work ethic" A kid that has zero talent for the game? "You can do everything sooo well!" Now how hosed-up is that???
* The above is one tiny glimpse of "Instant-Gratification" No effort, no thought...no nothing.

1) You have a very poor understanding what is means the word - destruction, in the darn Uncle Sam, is a freedom for the family, and no any politics or laws that is destroying the family, in general. Nonsense you are posting.

2) You said you saw for yourself the poor areas of Middle East - if that so you know how the life is going on without all of this expansions . . .

3) Voodoo Psychiatry - nonsense. The Neurology and the Psychiatry is a Science, that help to the MILLIONS of the peoples, this is totally different from an unproven Voodoo Religion methods.

4) Your post about unproven mind altering drugs is unproven.

5) Do you have a better education programs? Do you think that the LARGE amount of peoples that created this programs is more stupid than you ?

6) Sex in teenage in the 350 million population state must be , in attention, because if the case when the government will forgot about this factor - this is will be a disaster.
The any school education about sex DOES NOT forbid the love and feelings, the peoples have a FREEDOM to decide what they want.


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posted October 03, 2016 06:51 PM
Edited by Gryphs at 20:33, 03 Oct 2016.

markkur said:
* Voodoo Psychiatry practices. Science does not yet have a firm grasp on how the mind works and yet millions make a living - being experts.
Really? They ARE experts compared to what you know on the subject. "Voodoo" do you honestly believe that? Do you really believe that no actual work goes into the practice, and that it's just making sh1t up as they go along? Just because not everything is known does not mean we cannot use what we do know to help. If absolute certainty was waited for to put scientific discoveries into practice than none would ever be put into practice. "Reasonable certainty for the moment", is all science can ever give, that is just science 101.

With that out of the way, I agree that people are far too liberal in giving young children drugs, especially, young boys.
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kipshasz
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posted October 03, 2016 07:11 PM

kids of a young age are curious. This ADHD and ADD crap is bogus.
Enlighten me, what are the sideffects of the medication for the mentioned "disorders"?
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posted October 03, 2016 07:11 PM

This is just the same "the youth of today is garbage!" nonsense that has been repeated by every generation of every age. It was Bollocks the first time, it is bollocks now.

also, sensitivity is a virtue. Forcing people to think before they speak or act offensively is hardly a bad thing.
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posted October 03, 2016 07:26 PM
Edited by Gryphs at 19:27, 03 Oct 2016.

kipshasz said:
Enlighten me, what are the sideffects of the medication for the mentioned "disorders"?
Slowed growth, sleeping disorders, mood swings among st others. There is also the potential for damage in the young developing brain. This is all a risk in giving kids with actual ADHD the drug. The problem is it is often given to children that do not need it which, of course, puts them at risk unnecessarily and with potentially lifelong consequences.
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posted October 03, 2016 07:29 PM

No, it's not the same bollocks.

I don't believe that our parents or grandparents where as whiny as your average 18+ tumblr user offended by every tiny thing.


Liberties, as everything else in life. should be taken in moderation.
This overzealous neo-liberal behaviour is rapidly becoming the new form of totalitarian dictatorship.

Far worse than either Nazi Germany or Soviet Union ever were.

Our (not)dear H4troll tried to reason about something unclear, by bringing in some of the interwar youth organisations(which failed miserably, and the attempt nearly killed this thread)
The thing is, with Hitlerjugend as well as the Soviet Pioneers, if we throw out the ideological garbage out the window, become nothing more than basic Boy Scout analogues.
And to answer the other, frequently brought up question when such youth organisations come into discussion, yes I believe kids need to be taught the skills they learn in various Boy Scout like organisations. I also think that military education should be returned to schools. Because they teach very usefull skills, bleeping TEAMWORK included.
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posted October 03, 2016 07:52 PM

These darn young 'uns with their rock and their roll.

It's the work of satan I tell ya!
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posted October 03, 2016 08:09 PM

Yes, they are utterly retarded.
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posted October 03, 2016 08:23 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 20:34, 03 Oct 2016.

LizardWarrior said:
Yes, they are utterly retarded.


That hurt me.

"do you support free speech?" - "yes"
"Do you think someone should be able to say god-bless after you sneeze?"  - "no that would be offensive to someone who doesn't believe in god".

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posted October 03, 2016 08:24 PM
Edited by frostysh at 20:30, 03 Oct 2016.

kipshasz -
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I don't believe that our parents or grandparents where as whiny as your average 18+ tumblr user offended by every tiny thing.

Do not believe in anything that any grandparents saying by default ,. And try to see less movies about "tough warriors of the past with a good teeth and health ".

But a particulary you are right, the random 12-y old kiddo from Somalia usually have a more tough mind that a random soldier killing machine whahahha. I am joking . . .
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Liberties, as everything else in life. should be taken in moderation.
This overzealous neo-liberal behaviour is rapidly becoming the new form of totalitarian dictatorship.

And they was, through the all past history of mankind, with a very pity results. For today, no one say (no one modern normal state law) that you have a right to do anything. But the Democracy with all it's freedoms it is somekind of the results of the Human Society progress, the result of the evolution somekind. And It's relation to the teenagers is much more better and effective than all previous stuff.
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Far worse than either Nazi Germany or Soviet Union ever were.


Yeah.. Perhpas you should make a time time machine and look for the difference for yourself, or you can just go to the DPRK, in the both cases, this very likely will be a one-way ticket . But I have no doubts, you will be enjoyed of the level of the liberties restrictions .
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Our (not)dear H4troll tried to reason about something unclear, by bringing in some of the interwar youth organisations(which failed miserably, and the attempt nearly killed this thread)
The thing is, with Hitlerjugend as well as the Soviet Pioneers, if we throw out the ideological garbage out the window, become nothing more than basic Boy Scout analogues.
And to answer the other, frequently brought up question when such youth organisations come into discussion, yes I believe kids need to be taught the skills they learn in various Boy Scout like organisations. I also think that military education should be returned to schools. Because they teach very usefull skills, bleeping TEAMWORK included.

Perhaps you have a littlie bit not enough of understanding that the Boy-Scout like organizations is a normal thing in the modern states, but the organizations that you have mentioned have some special, a very special purpose besides the scout-stuff, and they was the only the top of the iceberg of the whole politics of the above mentioned states to it's citizens, I mean a good citizens . IMHO

I mean you can use anything for a propaganda purposes - the Boy-Scout organizations is not an exception. The above mentioned examples - it is a super-hardcore (in general a pure brainwashing) propaganda.
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posted October 03, 2016 08:59 PM

LizardWarrior said:
Yes, they are utterly retarded.


A masterpiece from the series "SJWs VS Logic"
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posted October 03, 2016 09:12 PM

Every generation has its own issues and flaws, it seems some form of overzealous political correctness is one of this one. At least in some places in the world, we have totally different problems, I wish it was political correctness getting a little bit out of hand.

Of course, a university is a place where ideas are supposed to clash, not some club for like-minded people to feel cozy. So, anything that is not blatantly a hate crime should be okay as long as people keep the discussions civilized.

What was the comment people found cruel?
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posted October 03, 2016 09:17 PM

artu said:


What was the comment people found cruel?


I compared the current situation in Ukraine with the one in Somalia. you know, the general stuff. Rampant crime, corruption, impotent government. Kinda called Ukraine "The European Somalia" as well.
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posted October 03, 2016 09:24 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 21:28, 03 Oct 2016.

My opinion is that is related to US only, IMO they are the kings of hypocrisy in tons of area, religion, nudity, democracy, racial issues, morality and so on. For teaching for 15 years already now in a reputed french university, then giving occasionally courses in other European countries I didn't observe any PC tendency among the students I met. For me, in Europe at least, it is limited only to medias and sometimes, the government who has no choice as every vote now counts. Or people who get (and like it) hurt vastly outnumber those who don't care about what every idiot says.  

But when I see such videos from USA I feel sorry for them. When freedom becomes trivial, people forget how and how hard they got it, then start to get hysterical about pop corn issues.

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posted October 03, 2016 10:46 PM

kiryu133 said:
also, sensitivity is a virtue. Forcing people to think before they speak or act offensively is hardly a bad thing.


By the virtue of my sensitivity, I am deeply offended by your words here, and I will force you to utter a different opinion with which I'm personally ok with, because that can hardly be a bad thing.

Get served with your own philosophy.
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