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tSar-Ivor
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posted October 24, 2016 04:43 PM |
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"The counts of the indictment are luxury, bad manners, contempt for authority, disrespect to elders, and a love for chatter in place of exercise. …
Children began to be the tyrants, not the slaves, of their households. They no longer rose from their seats when an elder entered the room; they contradicted their parents, chattered before company, gobbled up the dainties at table, and committed various offences against Hellenic tastes, such as crossing their legs. They tyrannised over the paidagogoi and schoolmasters."
- Kenneth John Freeman, dissertation on the Schools of Hellas.
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markkur
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posted October 24, 2016 04:51 PM |
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frostysh
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posted October 24, 2016 05:08 PM |
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Edited by frostysh at 17:09, 24 Oct 2016.
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tSar-Ivor -
what the ... kind of the stuff you have posted  ? can you explain with a little bit more detail?
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AlHazin
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posted October 24, 2016 05:13 PM |
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Still, there are possibly differences between the various cultures and the difference City/Countryside. Maybe good or bad social conditions have nothing to do with hystorical periods.
A region could have had a better social system in the past before loosing it, while another would have progressed in that field, making it something never totally acquired to societies.
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frostysh
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posted October 24, 2016 05:28 PM |
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Edited by frostysh at 17:30, 24 Oct 2016.
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AlHazin said:
Still, there are possibly differences between the various cultures and the difference City/Countryside. Maybe good or bad social conditions have nothing to do with hystorical periods.
A region could have had a better social system in the past before loosing it, while another would have progressed in that field, making it something never totally acquired to societies.
Yeah.. the life in the Ancient Earth human Societies sux, their "moral traditions" sux, the humans in that times was a stupid like a trees (perhaps with some very exceptions, but <imo> the brains of this exceptions was full of crazy nonsense too), and so on.
In general the Ancient times - was a hellhole, that because the modern civilization took only a VERY specific, and only useful stuff from the Ancients, but not the whole structures, and so on.
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Homer171
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posted October 24, 2016 05:55 PM |
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There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
Sound any familiar to today teens?
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AlHazin
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posted October 24, 2016 06:01 PM |
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Edited by AlHazin at 20:54, 29 Oct 2016.
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frostysh said:
Yeah.. the life in the Ancient Earth human Societies sux, their "moral traditions" sux, the humans in that times was a stupid like a trees (perhaps with some very exceptions, but <imo> the brains of this exceptions was full of crazy nonsense too), and so on.
In general the Ancient times - was a hellhole, that because the modern civilization took only a VERY specific, and only useful stuff from the Ancients, but not the whole structures, and so on.
Emm I'm pretty sure that some better societies have existed on earth before the modern age. (Modern age : roughly industrial revolution - now).
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There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
Sound any familiar to today teens?
Where did you find that mate?
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frostysh
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posted October 24, 2016 06:19 PM |
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Edited by frostysh at 18:24, 24 Oct 2016.
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AlHazin -
This is a result, a main reason of which, is the attempts of the transportation of the "past high morality" to the modern conditions, almost without the any changing. <imo>
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Sound any familiar to today teens?
Nahh, it is sounds more likely a bloodyhell religious nonsense, that have a very poor connection to the reality.
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Neraus
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posted October 24, 2016 06:26 PM |
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@homer
I find that is a common occurrence in societies, I remember once artu posted something regarding a Sumerian document I believe (definetly from Mesopotamia, of that I'm sure) in which a man lamented the misconduct of young men.
And indeed that is the same thing of late Imperial Rome or 18th century Aristocrats, just to make two distant examples, late Roman philosophers lamented the immorality of their contemporaries while 18th century poets lamented how the nobles lost their sense of duty, drowning it in lavishness and slothfulness.
The fall of Rome brought the return of austere morals, the French revolution and subsequent movements brought upon the downfall of aristocrats.
If things are truly cyclical in history, as some have postulated, we'll reach a point in which ultra-traditionalists will impose more austere morals.
And I don't think we're so far off, recently in Poland the government tried to ban abortions, and Russia blocked porn sites...
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Homer171
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posted October 24, 2016 06:30 PM |
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Where did you find that mate?
Bible. New testament. The letters after the 4 evangeliums and Act of Apostols are all quite nice read actually. Most of those letters: explains the christian fate in nutshell. What we held dear and how we should relate to surrounding world. These letters are directed at churches as how they should act. Basic principles of life you could say.
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AlHazin
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posted October 24, 2016 06:32 PM |
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Edited by AlHazin at 20:52, 29 Oct 2016.
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Homer171 said:
Bible. New testament. The letters after the 4 evangeliums and Act of Apostols are all quite nice read actually. Most of those letters: explains the christian fate in nutshell. What we held dear and how we should relate to surrounding world. These letters are directed at churches as how they should act. Basic principles of life you could say.
Okay, thanks mate. It sounds very familiar to what I used to read too.
@Frost : I did not understand your statement, what did you mean?
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frostysh
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posted October 24, 2016 06:50 PM |
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Edited by frostysh at 18:55, 24 Oct 2016.
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Homer171 -
Yep, as I feared...
Neraus -
"high moral" and Rome, it is a words with the opposite meanings in the all times  , and hell I have doubts that this Sumerians have a cool moral..
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BE it enacted forever and for all future days: If a son say to his father, "You are not my father," he [the father] can cut off his [the son's] locks, make him a slave and sell him for money. If a son say to his mother, "You are not my mother," she can cut off his locks, turn him out of town, or (at least) drive him away from home, deprive him of citizenship and of inheritance, but his liberty he
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When a man has bought a male or female slave, and the sale is fought by a third party (the real owner) and is in consequence thereof declared void, the seller of the slave has to pay for all damages.
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If a man sell a slave girl for money, and another party proves just claims to her, and takes her away from her present owner, the seller shall return the money to the buyer, to exactly the same amount that his receipt calls for; if in the meanwhile she has borne children, he shall in addition pay for each child one half shekel. . . .
Ancient laws of Sumerian
The resource is looks like ahh, not so good, anyway you can image the "everyday high moral" of the society that have such laws... And this is for a thousands of years ...
AlHazin -
I mean some old "moral traditions" such as Slavery, discrimination, so on, .., is a very stable through the time. And such "moral cool traditions of the past" can easily wreak a havok in the modern societies. A very good examples is a [18th, 20th] century AD.
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kipshasz
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posted October 28, 2016 08:21 PM |
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AlHazin said:
@Frost : I did not understand your statement, what did you mean?
He's just trolling and derailing the thread. best to ignore him.
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artu
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posted October 29, 2016 09:42 AM |
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Edited by artu at 09:44, 29 Oct 2016.
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Homer171 said:
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There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
Sound any familiar to today teens?
Do you think people weren't quoting such "prophecy" back in the 17th century or the 19th? Such complaints are universal because every generation has a tendency to idealize their time of bloom and percieve change as degeneration after a certain age, mostly because our ability to adjust to change simply slows down and we become creatures of our own habits more and more.
Btw, being disobedient to your parents is not necessarily a bad thing by default, some parents can be very close minded about what their children should do with their life. When what you quote above was written, your parents decided who you're going to marry, would you like to return to such a custom?
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Salamandre
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posted October 29, 2016 02:25 PM |
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Except that it is nowadays that you can't anymore slap your kids without going in court. Or a successful parenting system without any form of physical punishment has never been tested, we are swimming in unknown waters and have no idea what kind of generation this will create.
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artu
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posted October 29, 2016 02:38 PM |
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In many places, we have more than a few generations that havent been slapped and they are adults, even grandparents now, child beating is not that new a taboo. And most studies show that people who apply violence such as wife beaters etc are people who had been beaten as a child, so, it's not really something to miss. (I know a slap is not a brutal beating but still... Some people will eventually smack their kids hard when it's not a taboo.)
I'd also like to remind everybody that even in the beginning of the 20th century, making fun of the handicapped or the blind, putting a knot on a cat's tail or shooting birds with a slingshot was quite common fun for your average kid. So, it's not like they were all about respect and love.
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Salamandre
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posted October 29, 2016 02:56 PM |
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artu said:
In many places, we have more than a few generations that havent been slapped and they are adults,
Where did you find laws against slapping in the 1900's? I am curious to see it. If you imply that some people have never been slapped and they have grown responsible adults, this doesn't address what I was saying. Slapping is an educational and a dissuasive tool. If the kid knows there can be a physical form of punishment, he will avoid doing stupid things which call such punishment. This doesn't mean you have to slap your kids.
If we go down this "modern" road, soon you will go in jail for screaming on your kid. Then if you look at him in a certain way. If you criticize him. And so on. As teacher, I already received emails from ministers advocating and asking a new teaching method which ignores all forms of criticism. Because young people are "sensible" and should not be hurt, both physically and psychologically.
And then it boils to a basic and simple concept: how can we convey universal values to our kids if the good action is rewarded while the bad one is never punished?
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artu
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posted October 29, 2016 03:45 PM |
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What I mean is, in many social circles, even if it wasnt illegal, physical punishment of children has been a taboo long enough to see that the results arent catastrophic. Millions of kids already grew up knowing they were not going to get slapped no matter what they do. You can cease to give them allowance, forbid them to go out in the evening for a month, take away their toys, computers, etc. There are many ways to punish a child without touching him.
Btw, look at Tsar's quote above, it's from Ancient Greece. As I said, concerns such as yours are not exclusive to our age.
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markkur
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posted October 29, 2016 04:51 PM |
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artu said:
There are many ways to punish a child without touching him.
And hope you don't have one of the "bully-kids" that wants to "touch" you. 
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frostysh
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posted October 29, 2016 05:02 PM |
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Edited by frostysh at 17:11, 29 Oct 2016.
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artu -
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Do you think people weren't quoting such "prophecy" back in the 17th century or the 19th? Such complaints are universal because every generation has a tendency to idealize their time of bloom and percieve change as degeneration after a certain age, mostly because our ability to adjust to change simply slows down and we become creatures of our own habits more and more.
+1 - regardless of the unnecessary words, I think almost the same.
Why such "we are degrading! Omg omg!" was not so often in the past, that because a drastically changes of the life after industrial revolution, medicine, science, life conditions, population, communications .. and so on.
Salamandre -
well, I do not know what you are thinking, but beating a kids it is a standard practice in the ~90% of the poor countries, and I think in the ~70% of the entire human population on the Earth.
The beating of the kids making the life in this countries more better - no it is not.
And frostysh was not an exception (I mean I was an exception of somekind, but i.e. my friend - he is not a friend for me for a long , anymore, have a long thin scars on his back, and this scars will remain for his life, he have obtain it after beating by his father, which is used a thin stick. And is this fact made my friend better, and more "tough"? - No it is not )
I think a desire of the strong arm, in the rich countries causing by "a boring factor" of the population.
i.e. The human in the rich countries usually learned the history, where the past described as ahmm, a strong mans with a spears and swords, and a white buildings, and the cool charismatic leaders (antiquity), the reaction on such speculative-selective describing of the History, by a most amount of the pupils, can be easily predictable, in the TV, Internet the human can see a heroic movies about a war, about a past, fantasy with a "medieval-style" and so on.
All this factors, causing a distortion in the mind of a common human , and lead this human to the "strong arm society philosophy", again, it is a very predictable from a beginning...
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