Brevan said:

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n is a number that multiplies Spell Power, and changes with the spell.  For example Magic Arrow has n=10, Lightning Bolt has n=25.  MattII is suggesting that to split Water Magic from the other schools, maybe Spell Power could reduce the cost of spells instead of increase damage (normally Basic specialization decreases cost).

x is a number affected by the level of specialization in the magic school (non, Basic, Advanced, Expert).  For example, Magic Arrow has x=10 (I think) damage for Basic and x=30 for Expert specialization, while Armageddon gets much more (+50 to +150?).  A large value for x means an Expert caster might have very little Spell Power but still have a good amount of damage.  MattII is suggesting that to split Air Magic from the other schools, maybe specialization could have a multiplicative affect (maybe +10% damage per level of specialization (EG +10% for Basic and +30% for Expert)).

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Brevan said:

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n is a number that multiplies Spell Power, and changes with the spell.  For example Magic Arrow has n=10, Lightning Bolt has n=25.  MattII is suggesting that to split Water Magic from the other schools, maybe Spell Power could reduce the cost of spells instead of increase damage (normally Basic specialization decreases cost).

x is a number affected by the level of specialization in the magic school (non, Basic, Advanced, Expert).  For example, Magic Arrow has x=10 (I think) damage for Basic and x=30 for Expert specialization, while Armageddon gets much more (+50 to +150?).  A large value for x means an Expert caster might have very little Spell Power but still have a good amount of damage.  MattII is suggesting that to split Air Magic from the other schools, maybe specialization could have a multiplicative affect (maybe +10% damage per level of specialization (EG +10% for Basic and +30% for Expert)).

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Syth1984 said:

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Reducing spell cost won't work. There are a lot of ways to deal with spell points( Artifacts, stacking knowledge, intelligence, mysticism. This would put water magic immediately at disadvantage and undesired. (Unless you increase the effects of water magic spells with it's spell cost by like x3 amount. If you can cast it it has huge kind of effect)

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joyfun said:

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Magic Rebalance


Duration of buffs: 

As soon as you gather some spellpower, buffs/debuffs last for so long that the player no longed needs to think about when a certain effect expires. They also don't scale with spellpower, unlike the damaging spells. Hence, a new spell duration formula is: 1+(SpellPower/4) [rounded down] turns.
With this change, the spell duration artifacts would count more.


Cost of casting mass buffs: 

Mass buffs and debuffs are way too cheap for the impact they have.
Therefore, I propose to triple the cost of each mass spell and make possible to cast a single target version ('advanced' level spell)  for the normal cost (by adding mass and normal versions to the spellbook or by holding a key for example). After this change, the level 1 mass buffs would cost 15 mana. 
Alternatively, they could be an AoE spells with a range equal to the expert level Berserk (Heroes V style). In that case, their cost would double and not triple.

When a buff is applied on a opposite debuff (ex. Bless-Curse), and vice-versa, the effect should be nullified instead of replaced.

All the level 1 buff/debuffs cost 7/5 mana.

 
 

Specific changes 


Protection From Air (and other elements) 
Aside from air damage protection, also reduces the duration of incoming air debuffs by 25%/50%/50%.
All protections are now level 1 spells.



Blind
Blind is now a level 3 spell.
Deactivating attack is retaliated at 100/50/0% of base attack rating.
Duration: 1*SP -> 1+SP/3 [rounded down] turns.
Cost: 10/8 -> 16/12



Berserk
Berserk is now a level 5 spell.
Cost: 20/16 -> 35/30

 

Teleport
A unit can teleport over walls only at the expert level.
Cost: 15/12/6/3 -> 15/12/9/9
 


Hypnotize
Hypnotize is now a level 5 water magic spell. 
Max HP to control: 20/50/100 + 25*SP -> 200/400/600 + 80/100/120*SP
The duration is 2 turns.
Cost: 30/25

 

Disrupting ray 
Reduce defense by 3/4/5 -> 3/5/7

 

Fortune, Misfortune, Sorrow, Mirth
Morale/luck change from 1/2/2 to 2/3/3

 

Prayer
Cost 16/12 -> 16/12/12/30
 


Fire shield
Reflected damage: 20/25/30% -> 30/40/50%

 

Forgetfulness
Now 30/50/50% of ranged creatures forget to shoot and meele creatures to counterattack.
Cost: 12/9/9/18

 

Quicksand
Number of sand pits: 4/6/8 -> 6/9/12
 


Counterstrike
Counterstrike is now a level 3 spell.

 

Force Field
At expert level, the field lasts 3 turns.

 

Precision
Precision is now a level 3 spell.
Removes a distance damage penalty from a ranged unit.
Cost: 15/12/9/18

 

Dimension Door  
Dimension Door is now a fire magic spell.
None: Teleport once per day to a free tile within a radius of 8 tiles around the Hero.
Basic: Same as None, but then 10 tiles radius.
Advanced: Same as None, but then 12 tiles radius.
Expert: Same as None, but then 15 tiles radius.

 

Town Portal 
Town Portal is now a level 5 spell.
None: %100 of your movement(you cannot move that day) and only teleports to the nearest city
Basic: %70 of your movement( you can only portal once)
Advanced: %50 of your movement( you can either portal twice or move and portal)
Expert: %35 of your movement( you can portal two times with some movement left)
Cost: 16/12 -> 25/20

 

 
Regrouped view air/earth spells

View Air:
Shows artifacts in explored area
Shows all artifacts
Shows all Artifacts and Castles

View Earth:
Shows building (as in, Windmills, ...) in explored area
Shows all buildings
Shows all buildings (also reveals the tile they are placed on) and map layout

View Life:
Shows Wandering Monsters in explored areas
Shows Wandering Monsters and Heroes in explored areas
Shows all Wandering Monsters (also reveals the tile they stand on) and Heroes

View Recourses:
Shows resources in explored areas
Shows resources and mines in explored areas
Shows recourses and mines in all areas (also reveals the tile mines are placed)








Damage spells
 

Damage spells, in comparison to the non-damaging ones, barely scale with the level of corresponding magic school. Changes below aim to correct that (don't look too much at specific numbers, but rather how these spells could scale with the magic schools).

 

Implosion
Damage: 100/200/300 + 75*SP -> 100/200/300 + 50/60/70*SP



Chain Lightning
Damage: 25/50/100 + 40*SP -> 40/70/100 + 26/33/40*SP

 

Meteor Shower
Damage: 25/50/100 + 25*SP -> 30/60/90 + 15/20/25*SP
Cost: 16/12 -> 20/16

 

Frost Ring and Fireball
Damage: 15/30/60 + 10*SP -> 20/40/60 + 10/15/20*SP
Cost: 12/9 -> 16/12

 
 
Inferno
Damage: 20/40/80 + 10*SP -> 20/40/60 + 12/16/20*SP
Cost: 16/12 -> 24/20

 

Death Ripple
Damage: 10/20/30 + 5*SP -> 10/20/30 + 4/6/8*SP
Cost: 10/8 -> 12/10

 

Firewall 
Damage: 10/20/50 + 10*SP -> 10/20/30 + 10/10/15*SP

 

Lighting Bolt
Damage: 10/20/50 + 25*SP -> 10/20/30 + 15/25/35*SP
Cost: 10/8 -> 12/10



Ice Bolt 
At expert level, reduces enemy movement by 1 for the next turn.
Damage: 10/20/50 + 20*SP -> 10/20/30 + 15/25/25*SP 
Cost: 8/6 -> 12/10

 

Land Mines
Land Mines is now a level 2 spell
Damage: 25/50/100 + 10*SP -> 25/50/75 + 10/13/16*SP



Magic Arrow 
Damage: 10/20/30 + 10*SP -> 10/20/30 + 9/11/13*SP*<Number of learned schools of magic> 
Cost: 4 -> 3+3*<Number of learned schools of magic> 



Resurrection
Health restored: 40/80/160 * 50*SP -> 50/100/150 * 40/40/50*SP


 
Animate Dead
Now requires at least advanced level for animated undead units to stay after battle.
On Expert level can also bring back living units, but only for the duration of battle.
Health restored: 30/60/160 * 50*SP -> 60/100/140 * 40/40/50*SP

 

Sacrifice
Sacrifice is now a level 4 spell. 
Formula changed to CreatureMaxHP*NumberOfCreatures*(0.6/0.9/1.2+0.2/0.25/0.3*SP)
                   
        
           

   
New and reworked spells
 

Slayer
Increases attack and defense by 4*Glory.
When a unit with Slayer buff kills another unit, his Glory increases by  (KilledCreatureFightValue*KilledCreatureCount) / (SlayerCreatureFightValue*0.7*SlayerCreatureCount). 
Duration: 0.25/0.33/0.5*SP turns [rounded up]
Cost: 30/25

 

Magic Mirror 
When cast on a creature, any targeted spell cast by a friendly hero on that creature is also cast on the closest unit, friendly or enemy (random if there are 2 or more units within the same range).
Cost: 30/25 

 

Air Shield
Air Shield is now a level 4 spell and there is no mass version of it.  
Gives a unit a shield that blocks 50% of the damage received until destroyed.
Shield health: 100/200/300 + 50/65/80*SP
Cost: 30/25

 

Vampirism
This is a level 5 water magic spell. 
Allied unit becomes undead and heals when dealing damage (like vampires).
HP drained: 30/35/40% + (1.4/1.7/2*SP)% of damage dealt
Cost: 30/25



Tsunami
This is a level 5 water magic spell.
A huge tidal wave sweeps through units, damaging them.
The range is equal to Inferno.
Damage:  30/60/90 + 15/20/25*SP
Cost: 30/25



Purity
This is a level 3 water magic spell.
Same as frenzy, but with defense instead of attack.
Cost: 12/9



Castle Gate
This is a level 2 fire magic spell.
Functions like Town Portal, except it can only teleport to cities with Dimension Gate built. Is automatically added to the mage guild after the completion of DG building.
Cost: 16/12

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Duration should depend on the spell level as well.

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phoenix4ever said:

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Please make the backpack bigger (double artifacts space) and/or allow stacking of spell scrolls (maybe of the same kind) to not get full inventory so easily.

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Ghost said:

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I like more H4 also H2.. If nice, scroll gives Slow or Mass Slow.. HotA should be taken spell system, it causes player rejects an Earth, when scroll of Mass Slow, (expert) TP, (expert) Resurrection, etc But from H2 & H4 to H3, so players pick/use Fire and Water scrolls.. If you are playing H4, you pick an Earth..

What about my new idea?

Earth: Town Portal
Fire: Town Gate

What's (the) Town Gate? From H4, but only escape from the battlefield, the same Diplomat's Cloak, but without a cost.. Shackles of War can't prevent a Town Gate..

Loophole? You are using "TP", when you've found a neutral of monsters, and you touch it, and battle started, but you escape to your town..

Solution: Town Gate can escape to nearest your town..

Benefit? You meet legion of monsters in trap event, you escape to your nearest town.. MP has found event forced you go to fight against another opponent player, when you aren't ready, so Town Gate helps you..

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MattII said:

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phoenix4ever said:

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Please make the backpack bigger (double artifacts space) and/or allow stacking of spell scrolls (maybe of the same kind) to not get full inventory so easily.

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Or better yet, a way to get rid of the damned scrolls, other than at the artifact merchant.

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weilan said:

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MattII said:

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phoenix4ever said:

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Please make the backpack bigger (double artifacts space) and/or allow stacking of spell scrolls (maybe of the same kind) to not get full inventory so easily.

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Or better yet, a way to get rid of the damned scrolls, other than at the artifact merchant.

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Like how you cand disband creatures from your army, there should be a way to drop/destroy/throw artifacts from your inventory.

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LordCameron said:

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Or go back to Homm2 style negative artifacts and make them active from your backpack.

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Ghost said:

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Ok never-ending in H4, and HotA can't copy from H4 also extra artifacts in backpack in WoG.. HotA has separated from H4 and WoG..

Sacrifice, etc is useful, but if much better is upgrade workshop.. When treasure updates to minor, etc with payment, of course.. I suggest that more expensive than Artifact Merchants, thus you can update a Black Orb.. In the RoE, Black Orb paid 30.000-50.000.. I never seen in expansion, thus no longer.. Why a expensive? Easier walkthrough than brings to Seer's Hut.. Ok random map can play it.. also newer map version..

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