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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Isn't Castle one of the strongest town?
Thread: Isn't Castle one of the strongest town? This thread is 15 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 · «PREV / NEXT»
fanofheroes
fanofheroes


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posted September 03, 2019 05:22 PM

I'm sure it's been done, but I think the best was to decide which town is best is to have a tournament.  Anyone who's a castle fan play as castle and the same for the other factions.  The winner of each faction represents a free for all against the best of the other factions.  Have the big match on different sized maps and see who wins.  

If only the multiplayer system was smoother for this

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Otuken
Otuken


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posted September 03, 2019 10:53 PM

I see no reason why Angel/Archangel dwellings do not require mage guild lvl 2-3 when Black/Gold dragons require them?

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fanofheroes
fanofheroes


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posted September 05, 2019 12:22 AM

Otuken said:
I see no reason why Angel/Archangel dwellings do not require mage guild lvl 2-3 when Black/Gold dragons require them?


I've noticed Lvl 7 units that have magic immunity need mage guilds to build their dwellings.  I guess that's what the designer thought?

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Otuken
Otuken


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posted September 05, 2019 12:34 AM

In most cases Angel/Archanel is superior than these dragons and they are easily accessable than dragons also considering extra angels/archangels from conservatories.

I have always though there is huge balance gap between Archangel/Titan vs other 7.th level units also considering they are more easily accessable plus extra stacks from creature banks. Just Archangel/Titan is too good than other lvl 7 creatures.

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Maurice
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posted September 05, 2019 11:26 AM

Except that for the Dragons, the Town's own Resource Silo produces the resource needed to buy them. Castle only produces Wood and Ore, no Gems.

Furthermore, Gold Dragons only cost 4000 Gold and 2 Crystal each, Black Dragons cost 4000 Gold and 2 Sulfur each, while Arch Angels cost 5000 Gold and 3 Gems each.
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Oddball13579
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posted September 06, 2019 05:56 AM

Maurice explained it rather well.

Dragons are cheaper, and their town's resource silo produces the resource that is needed to purchase them. So the Mage Guild is required.

Angels/Archangels are more expensive and their town's resource only produces wood and ore, not gems. So the Mage Guild requirement is not needed because they are way more expensive.
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Otuken
Otuken


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posted September 06, 2019 04:36 PM

Neither cost differences nor silos that produces rare resources are big deal. Grass is rich enough to collect gems considering mills and gardens also having to pay only 2000 more gold per week is nothing compared to better stats, higher speed, easier accessibility and bigger powerstack possibilty thanks to conservatories.

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Doomforge
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posted September 06, 2019 06:35 PM

Well, one town must have the best tier 7 anyway, it might as well be castle. Unless you want to make them all bland and the same, oh sorry "balanced"

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Oddball13579
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posted September 06, 2019 07:24 PM

Otuken said:
Neither cost differences nor silos that produces rare resources are big deal. Grass is rich enough to collect gems considering mills and gardens also having to pay only 2000 more gold per week is nothing compared to better stats, higher speed, easier accessibility and bigger powerstack possibilty thanks to conservatories.
And yet all that goes out the window on resource poor maps.

Plus trying to buyout Castle's entire army come a new week can truly bankrupt you and then you are caught in an eternal cycle trying to catch up. So you make a decision. Buyout all the Angels/Archangels, banking on the hope that your enemy's army is not strong enough to knock out your Angel/Archangel crutch. Or, buy all the other troops and maybe only get one Angel/Archangel but have a more solid and diverse army and buy the rest later.
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Doomforge
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posted September 06, 2019 08:33 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 20:34, 06 Sep 2019.

Yeah, it is pretty sad for Castle when the only tier-for-tier underperformer (Zealots) are still OK considering they are a shooter.

Obviously they are the first to go, though If only they were War Zealots from WoG...

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Zenofex
Zenofex


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posted September 06, 2019 10:31 PM

It's the Conservatories which make Castle overpowered on maps where there are plenty of them AND there are enough resources to actually upgrade "the loot". Without free-of-charge extra Angels, the town itself is not that powerful overall, even if it has the best level 7 creature (in most scenarios, not absolutely). And it's boring as hell to play with, which certainly is its biggest downside.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted September 06, 2019 11:05 PM

Yeah Castle is pretty boring, but it is very strong.

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Ghost
Ghost


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posted September 07, 2019 06:33 AM

Yeah the best team is Castle. Boring?! You find strategy in the game. Example of Pikemen/Halberdiers are immune to jousting. Why? First Knight gets more defense in 2-9 lvl, and then you only take a defense from Marletto Tower, etc against Berserk spell just the low damage. When you have learned all about the castle. The game starts boring.


An ad way to represent the best teams.

It's boring, when my guy played "USA team" also in Red Alret, etc. Ok come back to the matter. The harder is expansion. Because background image is different. And Archangel pays 5000g/3gems.

But in expansion Castle for Water and Air is a very powerful in the battlefield than Earth sucks. If you have learned about it. You know all about Homm.

If you say Berserk against Tactics and speed. When Inferno is second best team. How? You should listen or Earth with jungle. A jungle? It means you can't see newer strategy like Tower against legion of Faerie Dragon without loss. Dracon knows. Because four school of magic, and other things in there game. Ok if nice would be Steal All Enchantments in WoG. Remember that magic caster never give a benefit spells to enemy.

Castle has Sir Mullich. It's the same Dracon, Gelu, etc but Castle also can use Dracon and Gelu. What a power! Therefore Dracon, Gelu, etc aren't along.

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted September 07, 2019 09:37 AM

Castle is boring to play up to archangels. From the moment you have them, the game starts to be fun, probably the main reason the majority of available maps are meant to be played with Castle in first place. Other towns are more interesting to be played up to their 7th tier, but then they become a disappointment. Ghost dragons, titans, dragons in general - weak things, while archangels rule any map.

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monere
monere


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posted September 07, 2019 10:31 AM

Salamandre said:
Castle is boring to play up to archangels. From the moment you have them, the game starts to be fun, probably the main reason the majority of available maps are meant to be played with Castle in first place. Other towns are more interesting to be played up to their 7th tier, but then they become a disappointment. Ghost dragons, titans, dragons in general - weak things, while archangels rule any map.
that's why it's boring, mate. Creatures / towns that are strong and easy to play are boring. There is no skill in hitting first (sometimes twice due to morale), having always fixed damage, the highest damage, too on top of it, and also having the highest att / def values. And when the enemy manages to kill a bloody AA, oops! Resurrection time! Yeah, no thanks! snow Castle with all of its op-ed creatures (especially AAs)

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted September 07, 2019 11:50 AM

Well, what may sound boring to the expert in you, doesn't for many others, probably one of the reasons the majority of fan-made maps grant human player with Castle.

Sure archangels rock in almost everything (except their double size), but also when you face them, the map's difficulty is set accordingly, or their strong points allow for a much more versatile plot, more variation in battles, choice of heroes and skill priority (water + clone is a must when playing with AA for example)

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monere
monere


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posted September 07, 2019 01:05 PM

you ever played against good players that have played Castle and if you have, have you won most of those games? If you (honestly) answer NO then you have the truth about Castle.

If you've answered YES I'm not gonna believe you anyway because in my eyes you have an amazing record of replying arrogantly to many of my comments. Like for example, your previous reply with "the expert in you". What was that all about?

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Salamandre
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posted September 07, 2019 01:46 PM

oh, was just a genuine poke

Because I have some memory, you know, like:

monere said:
about 10-11 months, but that's because I choose to play like this. I landlock the AI somewhere where it can't bother me, I take the DD, fly, and TP spells away from it, give it the strongest heroes, army, skills and artifacts all the time, no offensive spell (so it can't waste the casts with 2k damage lightning bolt or whatever when mass curse / slow / haste / whatever would be more dangerous for me), and then I clear the map at my own pace, and in month 12 I attack him


monere said:
not me cause I never play against people,


Funny that you try to trigger me on the pvp part, where, from your own comment, you have 0% experience. Also, based on your own description of your playing style, you never confront opponent before 11th month, so guess what: having 500 archangels and your hero full of relics vs some artificially "locked" AI is, maybe, boring?

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Doomforge
Doomforge


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posted September 07, 2019 02:10 PM

monere said:
you ever played against good players that have played Castle


Sal is a PvP veteran.

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Otuken
Otuken


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posted September 07, 2019 02:19 PM

It is combine reasons of being human town and having just mostly straightworfard strong creatures makes them boring than other towns in fantasy based game. The other towns have more variety and they are more capable of punching above its weights which makes games more playable, insteresting and unpredictable.

I used to enjoy playing with Inferno and Conflux only since Conflux is overnerfed in HotA I play with Inferno only anymore.

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