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posted June 03, 2020 03:53 PM |
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Here's a rioter facing down an ar from an angry store owner.
Is the black/mixed rioter being oppressed by the asian storeowner? Why or why not? 
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posted June 03, 2020 03:55 PM |
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Damn, jj, you just went right off on a tangent there, didn't you? Let me ask you this: Does racism exist against whites? Does sexism exist against males?
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posted June 03, 2020 03:57 PM |
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posted June 03, 2020 04:04 PM |
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Lol @ the comment:
I once dated a woman like that. I almost had a child with her.
Almost.
(And the reply) : You, sir, dodged a bullet.
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posted June 03, 2020 04:12 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
He was convicted A COUPLE OF TIMES for it.
Once Le Pen started doing 12% of voters, they freaked out and resorted to all kind of slippery slopes to get him.
Facts are (and feel free to link me if you have other):
1) Le Pen was asked millions times what he thinks about Holocaust. At one time, he answered "why keep asking me this question again and again, the holocaust is a detail in the 2nd WW".
2) He was asked about the 6 millions of Jews killed. He answered "I don't think there were 6 millions, but less".
For first point, there is nothing wrong saying 6 millions deaths are a detail of the overall casualties in the ww2. This is correct.
For second, discussing the power of the effect (the casualties) doesn't mean you deny the cause.
If any leader in the world has undoubtedly racist claims, his base would just go away, because people know this is not a smart and effective way to access to power. The left tries hard to make up such affirmations, then wonders why the electoral base numbers don't change. They don't change because people know it is made up.
The main problem in France is the Gayssot Act a terrible law which should be seen as unconstitutional in any so-called democracy. No wonder it was proposed by the Communist Party itself.
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posted June 03, 2020 04:39 PM |
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He was convicted A COUPLE OF TIMES for it. His own party has withdrawn his membership. He made a ton of sexist, racist and antisemitic comments.
What you are doing here is trying to make this a game of semantics. He didn't say "there was no holocaust" (openly) - instead he tried to belittle the fact as much as possible. Why would you do that (if you were no entisemit).
Not the law is the peoblem. The problem are people who want to deny history (for their own agenda). We have the same law in Germany. It's a good law, and it's a shame that such a law is even necessary.
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posted June 03, 2020 04:43 PM |
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Thousands of people are convicted under Sharia laws for blaspheme. Would you say they are guilty because convicted?
If you lose the ability of questioning the laws, you lose your ability of free thinking. If discussing any concept or fact, even if historically 100% accurate,is prosecuted and prohibited, then what's the difference with some Stalin's regime?
If you agree with such laws, then don't lie to yourself any more, you are not a democrat, but a totalitarian.
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posted June 03, 2020 05:03 PM |
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posted June 03, 2020 05:13 PM |
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You are talking a load of crap. The Sharia is a set of rules based on a certain religion and its interpretation. It is not a law as such. There are, however countries in which the sharia is either in part or wholly applied as the law or de facto law.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with a law that forbids lying and telling falsehoods about certain historical facts. There is nothing whatsoever 100% accurate in what Le Pen said, and the fact you try to sell it so says to me that you have your own agenda here.
Why would anyone without an agenda would have ANY interest at all in belittling the historical facts? It doesn't make any difference whether it were 5.9 million, 6.0 million or 6.1 million that died - no one counted them one by one, so it's a more or less accurate estimation based on a lot of research.
And Le Pen is wrong when he says that it would be only a small detail. It is quite an important detail because it was most important for the nazi top brass to fulfill their mission, so important, in fact, that they diverted valuable rail capacity that should have been used to supply the Eastern front, to transport as many Jews as possible to "safe" camps in order to be able to "process" as many as possible before the end.
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posted June 03, 2020 05:16 PM |
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"I understand that Vincent Reynouard has been condemned and jailed under the Gayssot law, and that a petition is being circulated in protest against these actions. I know nothing about Mr. Reynouard, but regard the Gayssot law as entirely illegitimate, inconsistent with the basic principles of a free society as these have been understood since the Enlightenment. The law in effect grants the state the right to determine historical truth and to punish departure from its edicts, a principle reminiscent of the dark days of Stalinism and Nazism. If the justification of the Gayssot law is to ban « horrendous views« , or to protect the right to « live free from fear of an atmosphere » of prejudice and racism, then it should be obvious that, if such laws were applied impartially, they would criminalize a vast range of public discourse, which, however despicable one may find it, should certainly be permitted in a free society, and indeed is, with no question being raised."
- Noam Chomsky.
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posted June 03, 2020 05:31 PM |
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posted June 03, 2020 05:42 PM |
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I think it would be so funny that I listen to Sam Harris nowadays, and Sal listens to Noam Chomsky. Heh.
But unfortunately he spits at the word "leftist" and actually uses the word as a pejorative. So I am guessing this is some troll post from him.
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posted June 03, 2020 06:07 PM |
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posted June 03, 2020 06:09 PM |
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I know what a leftist is, everyone knows. You just use the word the way you want and expect everyone else to follow. Will not happen. Sorry.
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posted June 03, 2020 06:27 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
a more or less accurate estimation based on a lot of research.
Grossly incorrect. But this is the wrong thread for this anyway. And, a thread like that would get shut down; for more than a couple reasons.
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posted June 03, 2020 06:28 PM |
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Minion, I don't see your point. Of course I give my opinion, as everyone here. As for I expect everyone to follow, no. Is a debate, not a hypnosis session.
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posted June 03, 2020 06:39 PM |
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It is just the tactic I find intellectually dishonest people usually use. But yeah whatever.
Here is something for you Sam Harris on Trump Enjoy!
Fred why wont you respond to my question? You seem active and no longer busy.
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posted June 03, 2020 06:40 PM |
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Minion said:
It is just the tactic I find intellectually dishonest people usually use. But yeah whatever.
Fixed for you. See, this is a leftist tactic.
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posted June 03, 2020 06:42 PM |
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Ha ha 
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posted June 03, 2020 07:02 PM |
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I don't have words for this.
First people vandalize with #blm graffiti Kosciuszko's memorial in Washington, because why not. As a reminder, this is one Pole (in spite of all the jokes about us, deserved or not) that Americans should respect, as he was fighting for freedom of slaves: https://rmx.news/article/article/rioters-attack-statue-of-polish-american-hero-tadeusz-ko-ciuszko-in-washington-dc-despite-his-efforts-to-free-slaves. This is the Nation that prides itself in it's history and "fighting for the cause". Ok cool.
And now some moron does the same in Warsaw on Kosciuszko's memorial (writes Black Lives Matter with spray), because this is the message people are getting from the whole situation in USA. They think aping something that protesters do is the "right way". Where is the point in that? Is it in the white teens who now write "I hate being white" on social media? If this is the so-called fight for justice then please send all the whites to space. Problem solved as I see we are the problem.
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