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posted June 03, 2020 07:34 PM |
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I think it's being cooped up for several consecutive weeks + the occasional crime always overlaps protest.
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posted June 03, 2020 07:40 PM |
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Edit: this was to blob:
That's part of the program, yes. You see how many here back it up, and you see those same kind of whites(antifascists and anarchists) among the looters and rioters.
@blizz: really? Reeeeeeeeally??? Wtf, man.
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posted June 03, 2020 07:45 PM |
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@ minion: this isn't the thread for that. We've veered too far off-topic.
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posted June 03, 2020 08:00 PM |
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Twitter removes account of white nationalist group posing as antifa online
As protests were taking place in multiple states across the U.S. Sunday night, the newly created account, @ANTIFA_US, tweeted, “Tonight’s the night, Comrades,” with a brown raised fist emoji and “Tonight we say 'F--- The City' and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what's ours …”
Social media is just, arghhh... Everyone just trying to pit everyone against each other. Check your sources before you get all riled up.
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posted June 03, 2020 08:16 PM |
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posted June 03, 2020 08:40 PM |
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@fred
Before you accuse me of lying, can you please quote me on where I said “no white man faced police brutality ever.” Skipping the fact that this incident is not your regular brutality case, for reasons mentioned again and again, I was talking about a spectrum and I was the one who mentioned social class is interlinked with the issue to begin with. You are the one with the binary approach.
About your question, “can there be racism against whites,” yes, there can be. But this is about racism involving power structures, I’ll give you a blunt and hypothetical example, now imagine a hospital where most janitors are black and most doctors are white, the janitors can go “damn these whitie, we’ve been cleaning their snow for so long” etc during their coffee break. But it’s not like such a thing prevents the doctors from becoming janitors, is it? Now, dont get me wrong, I’m not suggesting that racism in the U.S. is on such a level that black people can never ever become doctors, I know this is not the 1950’s and your society has improved a lot in this regard. But it improved because of people addressing the issue, not the ones ignoring it.
Since you admit class issues also exist, (can that be because you are working-class yourself and are aware of the situation first hand and dont put all the blame on the leftist media!), you must also realize that someone can link a video of a very rich guy being mistreated, does that make the problem fake?
@Sal
It is not the first time that Sam Harris video is linked and you may remember I am on the same page with Harris on that one. But notice how he emphasizes he is not denying racism against muslim community do exist and that is not what they are doing when criticisizing Islam. See the big difference? Racism is not a myth, there are times it is exploited, sure. But it is exploited because it exists, not because it is fake.
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posted June 03, 2020 09:23 PM |
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First, I NEVER said racism doesn't exist, but only that it is NOT a major issue.
We live in a capitalist world, where your skills will prime over your skin color, look at NBA teams, not a single white guy but only very skilled black individuals. It just happens that lazy and not skilled people found a loophole to justify their fails, by pretending they are due to racism. Then everyone defending them will come with insignificant facts, some often made up, to prove racism is THE issue.
The undisputed fact that in USA and only in USA you find the most successful, famous and rich people of color, should already debunk this narrative, but obviously some people just lost their minds and the ability of remaining objective. And moderate.
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posted June 03, 2020 09:27 PM |
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Minion said:
Twitter removes account of white nationalist group posing as antifa online
As protests were taking place in multiple states across the U.S. Sunday night, the newly created account, @ANTIFA_US, tweeted, “Tonight’s the night, Comrades,” with a brown raised fist emoji and “Tonight we say 'F--- The City' and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what's ours …”
Social media is just, arghhh... Everyone just trying to pit everyone against each other. Check your sources before you get all riled up.
Lol, of course the msm is saying that. They tried to say antifa and the anarchist looters/rioters were nazis too, moving from state to state and wreaking havoc. They said that, because the right did not respond to their bait and visit the rallies, so that's what they were left with. Which is why you don't see a civilian ground war taking place among the looters and rioters themselves. You should have seen all the baiting the left were trying to pull the right into, online and in the media. You leftists should have figured this out by now: you're being USED. They are LYING to you. I suppose you all believe Epstein killed HIMSELF in a federal prison while protected by the feds and on SUICIDE WATCH, too. The msm said that, remember? They also said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and that the guy who killed Trayvon Martin was WHITE, too. CNN even doctored his photo to make him look MORE WHITE. Or how about the more RECENT bullsnow where they tried to say nazis were at the anti-covid(or whatever it was called) protests. The list goes as far back as i can remember... You guys memoryhole snow just as fast as THEY do. Wonder WHY that is... 
There were no right-wingers at any of those protests. No smart ones if there were any real ones at all, anyway.
Don't believe the bullsnow, dude. The msm agenda is anti-white, anti-male, anti-Trump(because he's not part of their program, nothing more), and flat-out anti-american. They are run by the left almost entirely; who are in turn run by the globalists. You see their effects everywhere. They have been laying the groundwork for their globalist agenda here in the states, since shortly after the Declaration of Independence was signed. DO. NOT. BELIEVE. THEM.
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posted June 03, 2020 09:36 PM |
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Salamandre said:
First, I NEVER said racism doesn't exist, but only that it is NOT a major issue.
We live in a capitalist world, where your skills will prime over your skin color, look at NBA teams, not a single white guy but only very skilled black individuals. It just happens that lazy and not skilled people found a loophole to justify their fails, by pretending they are due to racism. Then everyone defending them will come with insignificant facts, some often made up, to prove racism is THE issue.
The undisputed fact that in USA and only in USA you find the most successful, famous and rich people of color, should already debunk this narrative, but obviously some people just lost their minds and the ability of remaining objective. And moderate.
Sports and arts (showbiz level rather than academic level mostly) is usually the way to jump class. It doesnt change the whole pictrue. I mean, once again, this was also the same back in the 1940’s when blacks werent accepted to same schools, on an official basis.
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posted June 03, 2020 09:38 PM |
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Well, you HAVE to give some documented proofs that skilled individuals can't make it BECAUSE their skin color. As it is now, I see only lazy people trying to skip the steps.
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posted June 03, 2020 09:46 PM |
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If you never said racism doesnt exist, how come you explain all of this by “lazy people trying to skip steps.” Make up your mind.
And what kind of a document do you expect? Such social matters dont have documents, people dont sign contracts on them.
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posted June 03, 2020 09:57 PM |
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We live in a society where everything is nowadays recorded and stored somewhere. Racism is like the UFO, everyone claims they exist but when comes to proofs, suddenly best cameras recorder don't work anymore, satellites suddenly lose angles, phones are shaking in hand so what we get is potato filming quality.
People are paranoiac. If I fail, my first question is where I did wrong. White people fail a lot too, guess what. But is easier to just stay there then believe that it is not your fault, that some immaterial concept will eternally crush you. The racism.
But it will not work. Capitalist societies can only work when the best people are used for profit. To get through, you have to prepare well, that's all.
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posted June 03, 2020 10:08 PM |
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Lol, that’s really shallow. To be prepared is not just about individual dedication. Yes, you will have people who achieve things “against all odds.” But the odds remain. Talking about fairy tales so often, you seem to be a devoted believer of Adam Smith’s invisible hand. That would have been okay if you hadn’t reduced everything into it, but if that metaphor was fully accurate, we would have been living in a very different world.
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posted June 03, 2020 10:19 PM |
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As I said in previous comments, I am okay with validating racism once you list the priorities of major problems the black community faces. The first is the outrageous crime rate, which gangrenes families, then consequently the education and future of their kids.
If that is never brought to the table, then I see no interest of discussion the 48th problem they face, the racism. You don't heal from cancer by washing your teeth daily.
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posted June 03, 2020 10:24 PM |
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Salamandre said:
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- Noam Chomsky.
Freedom of speech is a way too complex issue to just deal with it in this way. Without freedom of speech you could never change anything because speaking of change might be forbidden.
However, freedom of speech is limited by some other basic rights. When you go ahead and start telling lies about me I can sue you because of slander (or, telling lies about me).
Likewise, if someone, say Le Pen, is disfiguring historic facts he can be sued by everyone who takes offense (for example, by people who have lost relatives), provided he PUBLICLY opines.
So in theory, everyone who lost a relative might sue him.
Sure - we can trust that the courts will solve the problems that come with lying about historic facts. But the problem is, it takes time and money, and blocks the courts.
Yes, giving the Jews some "extra right" in this regard is a bit meh - but IN THIS TIME? Fake news? 1984 coming alive?
I repeat - the people who take offense have an agenda. Democracy is vulnerable. Hitler took power legally, by using every freedom the system gave him and use it against the system.
The basic human rights are made for people who believe in the idea, not for the people who don't and just use them to undermine them. That's the general problem with it and a problem that you can't solve.
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posted June 03, 2020 10:30 PM |
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Salamandre said:
As I said in previous comments, I am okay with validating racism once you list the priorities of major problems the black community faces. The first is the outrageous crime rate, which gangrenes families, then consequently the education and future of their kids.
If that is never brought to the table, then I see no interest of discussion the 48th problem they face, the racism. You don't heal from cancer by washing your teeth daily.
What you ignore is that the actual situation the black community faces is the result of more than a century of racism. I said it a couple of times, children growing up in that situation - VERY difficult to not follow the usual pattern.
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posted June 03, 2020 10:40 PM |
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Salamandre said:
You have no idea of the difference between left guy and leftist.
Please, that is an illustrative example of nothing. To put an obvious genius like Sam Harris against someone Jimmy Kimmel has own a dozen times doesn't prove anything, except men aren't born equal.
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posted June 03, 2020 10:41 PM |
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@Sal
But it is brought to the table. That’s more of a “do chickens come from eggs or eggs from chicken” kind of problem, it is circular. Racism in this regard, is an important factor because most people’s self esteem is heavily dependant on how they are percieved. Every once in a while, you’ll have the “oh, so that’s the game, bring it on” type. I share your respect to that kind of people, but more likely, you’ll have “snow this, the game is rigged and I’m out” type. Gangs for instance, can be seen like sports and arts in this regard, only difference is, it is destructive and harmful instead of creative and productive, But it’s still people trying to find a way out and “make it.” Where sports and art depend on talent, gangs depend on risking your life and taking chances other dont. Keep in mind that mafias are very very capitalist, in terms of “it’s all business” mentality. You can notice just like sports and arts, mafias or gangs are also very welcoming to minorities, people who cant climb up the ladder in conventional ways. It is just two sides of the same social issue.
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posted June 03, 2020 11:31 PM |
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Guys. Please.
If white on black racism was an issue then in cities with a predominantly black population, like Detroit for example (85% black), with last 5 mayors being black, most police being black, most schools being black, then such cities, being basically safe from the rrrrracist burden, should shine. Or at least show figures making a positive difference. Right?
Well, Detroit is 2nd poorest city in USA.
San Juan, 95% Hispanic, 4% white : most poor city in USA, 1st rank
St Louis (3rd poorest) 42%white, 50% black
Now look at homicide rate in such cities, HMMMM?
If still you don't want to see the elephant in the room, thats up to you. But don't ask me how dots should be connected, you are enough mature by now.
Basically, more whites are near blacks, better conditions of life blacks have. That can be also observed in former french colonies by now. They are sinking.
Also, if you are NOT safe, you can not succeed.
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posted June 03, 2020 11:48 PM |
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What do you mean with "poor city"?
I have no clue what you want to prove. I mean, it's obvious what's going on - hasn't got much to do with "racism" as the root of all evil NOW, but racism laid the foundations. There is no one denying that there has been racism before which led to a certain structure that saw most black people living in poor neigborhoods and not having a good job. When people have crap jobs and live in crap neighborhoods they have crap schools and crap law inforcement and it gets dificult for the next generation to just go to school and learn something relevant.
That's not just true for blacks and hispanics in the US - it's also true for Africans in France and so on.
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