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posted June 02, 2020 03:51 PM |
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posted June 02, 2020 05:24 PM |
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bloodsucker
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posted June 02, 2020 06:36 PM |
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Can't you all just copy/paste the text and leave the links? I say this as a general rule. Point the source and provide the text.
Why? 200 sites asking for cookies and subscriptions, plus facebook and twitter (you know these two are optionals too, right?) aren't making our internet faster or safer.
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posted June 02, 2020 06:55 PM |
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Galaad, I don't think you are aware of how grave are your accusations and what means "evidence" in such cases and why is important to have one. It's scaring to see nowadays people porting such claims, which can euthanize a country in no time if ported on a regular basis, and get away with while showing zero evidence. Think about.
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posted June 02, 2020 09:01 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Galaad, I don't think you are aware of how grave are your accusations and what means "evidence" in such cases and why is important to have one. It's scaring to see nowadays people porting such claims, which can euthanize a country in no time if ported on a regular basis, and get away with while showing zero evidence. Think about.
Dude, the case is over, these police officers are done for, they were condemned. Here is the missing part from the first link where they hurt him for free and laugh while he begs for mercy. Like JJ said earlier about Floyd, the fact these police officers do this kind of stuff so casually speaks volume about the issue. It's insane you don't see it and ask for evidence when not only is in front of your eyes, but was even acknowledged and condemned by proper authorities.
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posted June 02, 2020 09:09 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 21:12, 02 Jun 2020.
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I read the thread. Oh man...
I think it's a horrible thing that someone died that way, it's uncomfortable and shocking to see such a tragedy and I can't help feeling empathy towards the victim. This is something that everyone in this thread agrees with as far as I can tell. But then the diverging opinions follow.
I'll be honest, what I'm seeing is a police officer killing a suspect, not a white man killing a black man. The color of their skin is irrelevant, unless a court proves that it was the motive. Until then, claims of racism are circumstantial at best, a man who happened to be white killed a man who happened to be black. I hope your better judgement prevails and agrees that such a thing should never be enough to cry out racism.
I feel people are rightfully outraged at the crime for what it is, but I fear that the entire narrative about racism is just inferred, for whatever reason. Either just gullible bias from your average Joe, agendas, media schemes... Does it matter? It's unsubstantiated, that's what matters the most. Why not work from there?
This thread is just making me sad. It's making me lose hope. It also riles me up. All I want is a world where skin color is not a focal point in any debate or the driving force behind action. Unless it undeniably concerns racism, why make it about racism? I remember Morgan Freeman's words on racism and oh man, do I agree. If it's not there, why bring it up? You want racism to disappear? Stop talking about it. Stop seeing it where there is none.
We live in such times where the free western countries offer equal opportunities to everyone in such abundance that the phrase "systemic racism" is just unbelievable. In fact, I'm pretty sure that we've slightly gone to the other extreme, such that now people get advantages and privileges because they're part of a minority. Won't go down that rabbit hole though.
That's my input for this thread. As far as the situation there goes, I can only hope things find a better closure than the rioting ****show it is now.
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posted June 02, 2020 09:15 PM |
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Why do we keep seeing it Stevie? Because there is more profit in strife than peace. Politicians, the media, non-profits, corporations, anarchists, etc., LOVE moments like these. There is little incentive to stop it.
Hate and fear are the greatest tools and only a fool would toss them away.
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posted June 02, 2020 10:10 PM |
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Stevie said:
what I'm seeing is a police officer killing a suspect, not a white man killing a black man. The color of their skin is irrelevant
I'm not sure about the irrelevance of the color of the skin but the "police officer killing a suspect" seams quite relevant by itself, none the less. A police officer attacks a suspect with extreme violence, when he clearly posses no threat. This speaks volumes about a culture of law-enforcers feeling free to do whatever that should be addressed despise the race issue.
I also believe there is a tendency from the Democratic establishment to blame racism for a lot of this events, in an effort to pander to identity policies and avoid the real issues. A national condemnation of firearms would put them against the powerful NRA* and cost them votes, while these identity policies made them so entitled that Biden said publicly "you aren't black if you don't vote for me" to a black man criticizing him from the left...
* I've made a jump here, I believe the wide spread dissemination of firearms will be invoked to justify why the US police is so prone to resort to extreme measures.
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posted June 02, 2020 10:30 PM |
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As it has been pointed out repeatedly by too many people, this is not some accidental shooting or some quick reflex gone wrong. The man is tortured to death, all the officers involved are very casual about what’s happening, they are aware that they are being filmed and they couldnt care less. So they either consider this kind of deliberate brutality normal against anybody or they consider it normal against some social groups. Just play the video in your head with a white man in a suit as the victim instead, does it click? Even if not as extreme as this one, the overwhelming percentage of police brutality caught on tape involves minorities. You can say that is because minorities are involved in crime more but being involved in a crime doesnt mean brutality is deserved. So what’s gullible is to assume this would have probably played out just the same no matter the race. Morgan Freeman suggests not to bring race up, when it is irrelevant. Yet, looking at this incident, it is really pushing the boundries of good will or denial to suggest it is irrelevant.
I dont know what you mean by “systematic racism.” It’s not systematic as in it is thought in schools like in Nazi Germany or it is official state policy. But not being systematic doesnt mean it is extremely rare or even uncommon. It is common enough for black people to complain about it all the time. Somebody actually living in that area posted and also testified that it is a social phenomenon. Denying the existence of an issue, when people who are the targets of that issue have no chance of doing so, is a very annoying thing to do for those people. “Free western countries” is not a single entity, level of racism can even differ from neighborhood to neighborhood, put aside from country to country. And if millions of minorities themselves complain about it, then it is pointless to suggest there is no fire despite all the smoke. Take Galaad’s example, your Romanian surname becoming a disadvantage for you, had you been looking for a good position in French companies, you could choose to ignore it or not to. But if you’d choose not to, how would it feel if some people just shook their had and said no such disadvantage actually exists. Add to this that African-Americans are not immigrants, they are there for generations.
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posted June 02, 2020 10:39 PM |
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I think it's rather easy. Just imagine things the other way round. BLACK cops; WHITE guy - say wino. Black cop knees the white wino...
What you see is a WHITE cop torturing a BLACK guy of obviously LOW CLASS and STATUS. And the cops have no problen whatsoever with what they are doing.
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posted June 02, 2020 10:44 PM |
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Yes, it could be probable with a wino, but there’s a spectrum, when it comes to minorities, you dont need to be a wino or crazy homeless person etc. It is much more probable for such a thing to hit you even if you are an ordinary citizen. Where as if you are Jay Z, of course it is very improbable. As I said in the beginning, social class and race are not isolated issues, they are usually very much interlinked.
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posted June 02, 2020 11:03 PM |
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artu said:
Yes, it could be probable with a wino, but there’s a spectrum, when it comes to minorities, you dont need to be a wino or crazy homeless person etc. It is much more probable for such a thing to hit you even if you are an ordinary citizen. Where as if you are Jay Z, of course it is very improbable. As I said in the beginning, social class and race are not isolated issues, they are usually very much interlinked.
What I mean is - wouldn't happen. Not EVEN with a wino. Not with BLACK cops and a WHITE wino.
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posted June 02, 2020 11:06 PM |
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It’s still less probable but I wouldnt call it impossible with a wino.
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posted June 02, 2020 11:08 PM |
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Wino. I love it.
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posted June 02, 2020 11:13 PM |
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artu said:
It’s still less probable but I wouldnt call it impossible with a wino.
It's much less likely because there isnt so much of a bro culture with a huge black police force. Black cops have to survive within a system and behave... or else.
You have lots and lots of working/middle class white guys with a conservative, law-and-order slant that are all partial clones of each other. Combine that with a nation that is drunk on guns and a dissatisfied black population and you have police brutality.
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posted June 02, 2020 11:39 PM |
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Galaad, you claimed that people in "banlieues" are arrested for nothing and that this is pretty common.
What you give as example is an illegal alien being mocked by police after being detained for robbery. That person should be deported in the second, he has nothing to do in this country. Cops acted wrong, ok, prosecute them. Where are the examples you claim?
You failed on every detail, the grenade, the banlieues yet you dare to get back to me and make that somehow I don't want to see the reality? your reality is bogus, to claim such things you have to come with figures, statistics, what percentage of the police "arrested people for nothing", or had racist behavior. 1%? More? less, like 0,0000001%? From which percentage this starts to be a problem, a "common thing"? Because errare humanum est, too.
So far, for your claim, I see the counter at 0%.
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Galaad
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posted June 02, 2020 11:58 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Galaad, you claimed that people in "banlieues" are arrested for nothing and that this is pretty common.
You were precisely replying to the previous post which was about the video, or at least so it seemed like. ... I am not going to hunt for you, I don't have the time nor the will. If you're interested, like I said, it's easy to find in 2020's internet, everything is being filmed then shared on social medias. Heck, even recently there has been a polemic about it in the mainstream medias so you really have no excuse.
But I know you won't, because you set your mind and are clearly not willing to consider you might be wrong. Dismissing and belittling others is more on your taste, so I'll just let you know that I don't really enjoy arguing with Schopenhauer.
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posted June 03, 2020 12:02 AM |
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artu said:
it is really pushing the boundries of good will or denial to suggest it is irrelevant.
I don't think it is irrelevant, not a bit. It's the way the "wino" part is relegated that bothers me...
I agree it would be way less probable (if not impossible, the other cops would intervene) a black cop doing it to a white wino but I also believe the DNC pushes the racist narrative, in an attempt not to address the first and second class citizenship problems that ravage the country. I just can't take that fridge out of my mind.
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posted June 03, 2020 12:20 AM |
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I am Chopinhauer, not Schopenhauer.
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artu
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posted June 03, 2020 12:57 AM |
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bloodsucker said:
artu said:
it is really pushing the boundries of good will or denial to suggest it is irrelevant.
I don't think it is irrelevant, not a bit. It's the way the "wino" part is relegated that bothers me...
I agree it would be way less probable (if not impossible, the other cops would intervene) a black cop doing it to a white wino but I also believe the DNC pushes the racist narrative, in an attempt not to address the first and second class citizenship problems that ravage the country. I just can't take that fridge out of my mind.
Well, as I said, I see them interlinked. Almost all my friends and relatives, living in the U.S. say the same thing, that it is a country of extremes in terms of inequality. If you are one of them who they call “winners” it is a land of opportunity and freedom like no other, yet if you are at the bottom, your life is basically worthless. Still, U.S. poor beats underdeveloped country poor any day.
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