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See, that's why I refute the racial approach, some inarticulate people will claim is the biggest issue - and anyone saying it isn't "has internalized racism". When you start from that dead end, there is no future for minorities believing it, as they are so easy to manipulate.
yeah keep ignoring others opinion and messages and dismissing them as inarticulate and dont read em cuz ur so much better 
"the racial approach" what does this even refer to, i would like a clarification lol, you mean highlighting race issues and hardships? (if thats what u mean) should we just ignore the problems or what
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When you repeatedly say to some people "no matter how hard you work, racism will keep you back", is over. Then when you push the "systemic racism" narrative, while you can't name a single racist law, who is to blame but your own ignorance?
who told me to name a law??? in where did i even mention the constitution or the laws? lol, if i felt the need for it id probably do it, but i didnt 
hard work doesnt solve their problems when theyre seen as another type of human being just because of their skin color. when they face negative stereotyping 100 times worse than the whites. and before you start saying "haha you just said them!! u are the real racist" then tell me whatever would solve this problem if not mending the relations and highlighting what would make them feel this way. i feel this forum is not the best for it but i was just gonna call u out on what i felt was internalized racism and i think my gut feeling is reinforced just by reading these last messages
the systemic racism doesnt have to be ingrained in the constitution or the laws. the systemic racism is on the streets, its within u and me, its in the police force, its what the society has come to be really. ofc its not fully "ur work doesnt matter racism will get u" but there really is some truth within that statement lmao, minorities face a lot more generalizations and negative comments in the us just by not being white, im sure you would have a big risk to face the same in turkey by not being an ethnic turk etc. racism isnt just murder, its verbal/psychological harassment and stuff as well.
however, you could argue the constitution and the laws are racist as well considering they were founded with the blood of native americans and black slaves, and now suddenly america is truly great and the whites are the one facing racism. o no someone called u cracker, truly is torture right
we could go on about the civil rights era where MLK even was assassinated for just speaking about the problems when segregation was extreme. the hardships are growing cause the class problems are increasing. the poor whites are really manipulated and radicalized into thinking that the blacks hate them by racist sh** in media and online. it's generally just criticism of the system and the current wrongdoings about the police and every bob and karen in the states suddenly feeling theyre the victim of a hate crime cuz the troops never treat them badly so why would they ever deserve criticism?
but really racism is rooted into the american society and its easy to see. just check out the confederate flag problem etc, which itself stands for a former state, not fighting for "states rights" but for blatant slavery of minorities. the flag is racist and i think the people truly dont realize it.
notice the great overrepresentation of black males imprisoned in the us? what do you think this is about? how do you explain it? by "black people doing bad choices" ? a black man generally doesnt have the same access to resources as a white one and the whites are discriminating them increasingly much. i think its just weird that u were this quick to say "WHAT ABOUT THE WHITES" in a thread about a poor black guy getting murdered by law enforcement lol. its always about us isnt it
the blm movement isnt against you. its against the structures of society.
just gonna add another thing to keep the topic going about the murder, i dont get this "what did he do before they got him" justification. why would it matter what he did before? do you mean he might have deserved to die or what=? lol
heres a good video on race issues from a left perspective if youre interested in further reading into the issue and understanding what u think is stupid sh**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWwiUIVpmNY
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In the same time, we see so many black billionaires, many famous, many adulated by whole America, one even made it to the top function. So yeah, I would say the main problem is internalized blindness for the leftist bubble.
internalized blindness lolllllllll made me laugh
do you think they got there because of truly hard work or just because of work in combination with sheer luck thats an interesting discussion as well
i dont care about the black billionaires theyre racist as well being a billionaire isnt exactly the apex of greatness!! and just because some minorities get rich doesnt mean society has some cruel snow towards them anyway lol why do you think the debate started to begin with
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Didn't their candidate just say "if you don't think as us, you ain't black"?
"their" hey why are u dragging us together
yeah he sucks if i were american i wouldnt vote for him or basically any democrat or republican but what has that to do with this issue at hand
"joe biden is a ra*ist"
feeling like half my last message was ignored intentionally but hey here goes, here i am writing again
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Also, it came out that the officer involved, Derek Chauvin, is married to a non white woman. Guess his is not so white supremacist, after all.
yeah because not being racist is just marrying someone
you know you can still be a sexist and still marry a woman right? they dont cancel each other out
and the cap is true, its there its just invisible nah but im just giving arguments here and ofc we all fall for snow, but do you get the general points im saying or do you truly feel superior to me as it seems?
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The thing is, for pushing a systemic racism narrative, you need some evidence, as discriminating existent rules, overall attitude, or like some important parts of the population being ok with racist actions. I see none, but the opposite.
Take this case, 100% of the people reacting show their outrage, I don't see a single media finding excuses, or people commenting "he was only a black so why the fuss". Even if the cop is racist, which is not yet proven, he may be simply a very mean man who doesn't value life much, he is in no way the mirror of the society which, proof in hands, condemns his actions at 150%.
So I don't instantly jump on the racist assumption - at this state of the affair, and I put my arguments on the table. You, on the other side, come with totally made up fake news, which are not so insignificant. It IS racist to wear a "make whites great again", so you try to take the upper hand using lies. Therefore I consider that this kind of garbage you use is not worth my time and attention, as truth - or good faith in this case, is indeed superior over lies and bad faith.
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The thing is, for pushing a systemic racism narrative, you need some evidence, as discriminating existent rules, overall attitude, or like some important parts of the population being ok with racist actions. I see none, but the opposite.
dude come on, if we're here arguing on an online forum about and you start to treat this as an discussion of academic importance, then sure go ahead
gonna go ahead and cite the sources of the video i linked which, in my opinion, proves the racism in america as of 2018. i really dont think much has changed since 18, if it has changed it has changed for the worse.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-contract-buyers-league-20150724-story.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/investigations/ct-lead-poisoning-science-met-20150605-story.html
i really dont think its giving me anything to write all this stuff and then you ignore 99% of the message saying "you have no sources" and then seemingly dismissing the contents. i could go on all day finding sources, but why should i considering it really seems you are not interested? if i would investigate the issue further and try to get some reliable sources to my statements as im just citing from my memory when ive read articles, news, reports and similar stuff in the past, it just seems like you wouldn't read it anyway
this argumentation might be in bad faith but im getting tired of it already and we really havent even started touching the real subjects ehre if you treated the arguments as they are presented instead of just nitpicking the minimal errors im sure this discussion would be a lot more giving/fun. i mean, i'm basically jsut guessing about your attitude and expressing my views about it. i'm not here to conduct a full study of racism in the united states, i'm just presenting the arguments and i feel you're dismissing them for apparently no reason
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Take this case, 100% of the people reacting show their outrage, I don't see a single media finding excuses, or people commenting "he was only a black so why the fuss". Even if the cop is racist, which is not yet proven, he may be simply a very mean man who doesn't value life much, he is in no way the mirror of the society which, proof in hands, condemns his actions at 150%.
yeah most people condemn it, but have you seen the response? the response from the right is pretty weird.
just an example: #AllLivesMatter is trending on twitter. twitter is media too right? social media should count considering people are probably(proooooooobably) rather usign social media as their news source nowadays than reading the traditional stuff. which to me, is inhumane and weird. i mean ofc all lives matter, which is why black lives matter exists in the first place (arguably they think the general public view is that the black murders are being ignored since black people keep dying in the streets and the government seemingly cant solve the problem, and that peoples attention has drifted far away from the importance of another human beings life). why do i think its inhumane and weird to say #alllivesmatter? you wouldnt go to another persons funeral and scream "my acquaintance died hello hello look at me im sad as well". it's completely beside the point and rude, BLM is a movement that origins from the increasing killings of innocent black people. just saying "allivesmatter" just basically makes it like youre saying "white lives matters too". i mean yeah we know white lives matter thats why the movement started, since they want equal rights right?
note that this all is my opinion, my view of how blm is structured might be a statement that requires reliable sources but thats just my point of view of whats going on. do you see where im coming from? i dont feel like going on using the harvard system here and going totally in depth on this discussion, i feel like a normal discussion could be had here without the extensive research work. if you really think im anti facts or something then sure go ahead its really not the case tho lol
why does it matter if its "proven" or not if the cop is a racist or not? this cop is just a guy. why would it have to be proven outside of a legal context? what is there to be proven in the public eye? the point is not really that this individual cop is a racist. the point is that the law enforcement has had racists in it in the past and that the minorities truly feel that the law enforcement officers are mistreating them unjustly, which, most probably (note probably im basically just drawing conclusions here from my own thoughts), caused the uprisings and stuff in minneapolis right now
i mean racism is a hard subject
the majority of racists would never express a direct racist statement. the racism in the average racist is probably beneath the simple words. it's in the behavior, the intentions of the words and the meanings behind them. i mean being a racist is not a positive thing to be, if you are a smart racist and want more people to think like you then you probably wont make people go to your side by saying you hate a certain minority, that comes later when every presumption already is in their brains
but yeah, it doesnt matter if the guy was a racist or not. the problem is at a structural level, not at an individual. if that was the case then the riots would most probably never be going on. I think he automatically becomes a mirror, a scapegoat, for the society in general considering many highlighted and confirmed cases of police on black murders in the recent years. He may not have racist views himself (i think he probably does tho but thats on me lol) but what does it matter in the big picture? As stated earlier, the rioting is not about him as an actor, it's about the structural racism perceived by the minorities affected by it.
just so u recognize my point - it's probably this way (or something along these lines) the people uprising in minneapolis feel, right? or what do you think causes all the rioting? im not here trying to change your opinion, im here trying to rationalize the problems
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So I don't instantly jump on the racist assumption - at this state of the affair, and I put my arguments on the table. You, on the other side, come with totally made up fake news, which are not so insignificant. It IS racist to wear a "make whites great again", so you try to take the upper hand using lies. Therefore I consider that this kind of garbage you use is not worth my time and attention, as truth - or good faith in this case, is indeed superior over lies and bad faith.
worth your time and attention lmao spare me
you really want the scientific method on this online forum dont u
i give in!! heres some FUNNY sources for my statements u big brain lets see!!
Defending my statement regarding blacks being treated unfairly by the american police - On American police officers structurally, not individually, disproportionally target black youths on "stop-and-frisk"-policing when stopping pedestrians on the street:
Gelman, Fagan & Kiss (2007) An Analysis of the New York City Police Department's "Stop-and-Frisk” Policy in the Context of Claims of Racial Bias, Journal of the American Statistical Association, 102:479, 813-823, DOI: 10.1198/016214506000001040
Regarding excessive police brutality towards African-Americans in the US, in this case regarding the "war on drugs" and its effects on black youth in the US:
Cooper (2015) War on Drugs Policing and Police Brutality, Substance Use & Misuse, 50:8-9, 1188-1194, DOI: 10.3109/10826084.2015.1007669
About a very similar case, the killing of Eric Garner in 2014, this survey report below has a very good background introduction concerning the problems at large. It basically describes the violence and general problems black protesters face. It also includes statistics and facts from peer-reviewed sources (as is praxis in a report like this) about the overrepresentation of blacks in confinement.
Sara A. Snyder, Saeed Rahman, Jamie K. Hamilton, et.al. (2017) The Eric Garner Case: Statewide Survey of New York Voters’ Response to Proposed Police Accountability Legislation, Journal of Social Service Research, 43:1, 1-17, DOI: 10.1080/01488376.2016.1239598
Confirming, again, that the black lives matter movement largely bases its activities due to the seemingly unfair killings of black people by american police officers.
Williamson, V., Trump, K., & Einstein, K. (2018). Black Lives Matter: Evidence that Police-Caused Deaths Predict Protest Activity. Perspectives on Politics, 16(2), 400-415. doi:10.1017/S1537592717004273
Reports showing that the police force are using tear gas, stun grenades and excessive violence towards the protests in Minneapolis are several. Here are some videos showing the events in action:
Twitter video, tear gas and stun grenades towards the rioting
Note that the protest was largely peaceful to begin with. A first-hand source coming from a private twitter user here from the earlier stages of the protests, before the police decided to crack down on the protests with violence:
Twitter video, a viral video showing the protests at an earlier stage
This video is not representative of the whole situation, however. There was early violence as well targeting the minneapolis precinct. A news source here shows how the precinct was vandalized. However, I myself find this reaction is fully understandable considering the circumstances. The action itself might be worth condemning, but I can of course rationalize the action. The real rioting did not begin until the day after - which is yesterday, May 27th. Here is a local news article showing the turn of events from yesterday, where the uprising truly began.
We can go on for days. The facts are on my side in this case scenario. The protests are due to the fact that blacks feel mistreated and the reasonings behind are, in my eyes, completely rational. I can continue and link many more viral videos regarding the subject - which in this case represents the general viewpoint of the people behind the movement. Here is a source concerning social media interactions on twitter and how it bolsters the movement in general:
Jelani Ince, Fabio Rojas & Clayton A. Davis (2017) The social media response to Black Lives Matter: how Twitter users interact with Black Lives Matter through hashtag use, Ethnic and Racial Studies, 40:11, 1814-1830, DOI: 10.1080/01419870.2017.1334931
Returning to my previous point: it truly does not matter whether you jump assumptions or not in this specific discussion, in my opinion. The general viewpoint and the structural perspective it what matters at large. My assumptions were based on your seemingly negative worldview and view of minorities in general, which I think was a good conclusion considering your earlier post history where you have expressed negative views of certain groups of people based on culture and nationality solely.
now is this worth ur time and attention or can you discuss this like normal
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posted May 29, 2020 10:21 AM |
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... I live 30 minutes away from the riots (by carm about 4 hours walk by foot, and I don't live near a zone that could be targeted). This department has been corrupt, for years. This cop has no fewer than 12 complaints leveled against him for shooting, assaulting or otherwise employing excessive force against minorities, and has been involved in the murders of 4 unarmed or surrendered minority suspects (black and hispanic.) This is not new for him, this action is specifically taken by him against minority members of the Minneapolis community, and the department covering up, deflecting and refusing to investigate his actions is hardly news as well.
The department's corruption in this situation has further included provoking the peaceful protests into full-blown riots by assaulting protesters with tear gas, rubber bullets and fully kitted-out riot suppression officers, and includes kicking off the looting spree by having an officer in full kit (sans-badge) fire-bombing a small business and then immediately returning to the precinct office in an undercover squad car, which was all caught on camera. No riots or looting happened until the department decided to initiate the violence, on every front they had troops to spare, and that has somewhere around 150 pieces of video evidence to prove it.
My only hope is that this department's rank incompetence and blatant corruption will see them cut down to the roots, all members of leadership and all people directly involved in the murder will see prison time, and the National Guard will work in their place until a better system actually gets put in place.
And yes. Rank incompetence. They started the riots, and even with national guard backup, they failed to contain those riots in such a S P E C T A C U L A R L Y terrible manner that, as of this post, precinct offices 3 and 5 both were overrun and needed evacuation via helicopter. So these morons can't even put up a proper fight when they pick it.
I have... never been more disappointed with my state's recent policies. There are events that are more shameful in my state's histories, but they were decades before I was born. This? This is just a disgusting waste of human life and effort, and should never have gotten this far. The department should have been purged long, long ago by the city mayor or the state governors.
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posted May 29, 2020 01:57 PM |
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As others have said, the officer already has a dumpster record. It's just that when a department is saturated with mediocre conservative sensitive white manchildren, they tend to be complacent and generally a disgrace and a bad joke at their profession.
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posted May 29, 2020 02:54 PM |
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Cops do this kind of stuff all the time, not just to blacks. Just off the top of my head, two white men killed by cop on video: the "simon says" killer cop, or the cops who laughed while suffocating a guy to death after he called the cops for help. You can clearly see the guy dying in this video. You can see that his ears are blue from lack of circulation. You can see his body twitching as it loses consciousness from lack of oxygen and dies. It's not easy to watch.
Cops are government thugs paid with taxpayer money to brutalize and keep the common man from rising against a corrupt system. They aren't there to protect OR serve you.
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posted May 29, 2020 02:57 PM |
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Oh boy, here we are, not proven political affiliate (they hard tried to falsify photos but didn't work) or what has to do with, race idiotic bait (at least half of the cops in the video are not white), not proven "dumpster criminal records"
here and here
and so on. Guys, in real world you don't put people on unemployment because alternate reality facts. In fact, you are 100% right, he was terminated when there was evidence, as it is NOW, not when triggering sjw create a false record because they feel good doing so.
If you read the body or article and don't stick to title, you find quite a classical or even weak record, he was involved in 2 shootings during 20 years of career, where each of the suspects was a hardened AND armed criminal. The others are reports for offensive language without any disciplinary action taken. Maybe they were wrong, maybe not, but you just don't know. Mob attitude.
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posted May 29, 2020 03:12 PM |
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Trump got flagged by Twitter for his line "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" referring to the national guard moving in.
It is so sad to know we have such immature leadership at the helm.
Good bye Minneapolis. It was nice knowing you.
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posted May 29, 2020 03:34 PM |
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Rioting and looting unrelated targets to a cause accomplishes nothing related TO a cause. Victimizing the innocent will not solve the issue at hand; you are just spreading the same victimization that you are so upset about, and to the same class of people you are, as well. Hardly proactive.
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posted May 29, 2020 03:42 PM |
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Those are my thoughts too Fred. Well said!
I once saw a youtube video of a soccer game where a person ran onto the pitch and shortly after got apprehended by 3-4 guards, one of the guards started hitting this person while the others was holding him, and the next thing you know the crowd yells at them and ~100 people run onto the pitch. Of course the guard who was hitting runs away while another guard stays trying to calm down the masses and gets punched down right away by a small few of the many people who ran onto the pitch, but does nothing to stop the new assault taking place.
I might misremember some of the details though.
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posted May 29, 2020 04:01 PM |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLzQefpBvM
Fascinating video.
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posted May 29, 2020 06:56 PM |
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bla bla oh boy i couldnt respond so lets take the discussion elsewhere where i feel like it should be
lmao the guts to nonchalantly post this after i gave my response im sure you dismissed that as well huh or are u triggered by simple facts
Is there someone else here you want the discussion with in private without me entering the topic at all, or how come my messages went past your radar? Maybe the wall of text was too small?
jokes aside lets have fun and dissect this message as well!!! 
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Oh boy, here we are, not proven political affiliate (they hard tried to falsify photos but didn't work) or what has to do with, race idiotic bait (at least half of the cops in the video are not white), not proven "dumpster criminal records"
did you not understand when i said the problem was at a structural level? who here is making a point of george floyds person or criminal record except you? how much do i have to repeat my arguments to make you read them? i take it you don't want to have a discussion, you're just here spreading vague misinformation for the sake of it since you dislike the opinions?
okay lets go again!!!
"race bait" Did you read the sources I gave in the last message concerning the situation at hand? It's not "race bait"ing, the race issue is most relevant in this topic and should stay relevant considering the aftermath is most certainly about race. Why do you keep this at an individual level? I mean, "half the cops are white", yeah, and "black billionaires", I see you're still going for the individualist approach? Can you explain why?
Regarding the criminal records. They do not matter in this case. The penalty for his alleged crimes, is not murder at the hands of law enforcement. Or do you think he deserved the penalty? I can't understand your point however I look at it other than just coming to this quick conclusion, so please fill me in.
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and so on. Guys, in real world you don't put people on unemployment because alternate reality facts. In fact, you are 100% right, he was terminated when there was evidence, as it is NOW, not when triggering sjw create a false record because they feel good doing so.
If you read the body or article and don't stick to title, you find quite a classical or even weak record, he was involved in 2 shootings during 20 years of career, where each of the suspects was a hardened AND armed criminal. The others are reports for offensive language without any disciplinary action taken. Maybe they were wrong, maybe not, but you just don't know. Mob attitude.
???????????????? yeah so here you're justifying his death because of his "criminal record" and link the criminal record in question, or have i missed something? lol this is the hottest take yet!!!!!!!!!!! DING DING DING DING
How, again, is his criminal record of relevance when we're talking murder here? Are you advocating direct justice inflicted by the law enforcement? and word choices like "terminated" jeez chill lol. Seems kind of autocratic if you ask me. George Floyd deserved a legal process in that case. And the background of this particular murder - many more murders - makes up for a totally different context, making this a much bigger issue than what you deem it to be, I reckon. In real world, the topic is complex and has many different aspects to it. And yeah, about reading the body and article and don't stick to title...
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....so you try to take the upper hand using lies....Therefore I consider that this kind of garbage you use is not worth my time and attention....
Here I am, quoting your last message as you wrote it. Isn't this somewhat similar to your technique here, or am I getting something wrong? You derail the topic by not answering the earlier problems within the context. Ignoring the counter arguments and keep posting basically irrelevant information not concerning the earlier, more specified, discussion. It is, obviously, concerning the general topic, but you still do not back up your earlier statements.
This kind of garbage you use might not be worth anyones time and attention if you dodge the facts!
Oh boy, here we are, not proven factually wrong yet another time despite the continuous efforts.
here and here
and so on. The reason why I write this is because you completely dodge the argument in itself. I am taking your arguments literally how I view them because I feel you completely ignore the facts. I do not have anything against you personally, so don't feel targeted, -but- I find it weird that you have this kind of attitude to these topics without having the spine to back it up. Don't take my jokes seriously, but do take the hint.
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posted May 29, 2020 08:07 PM |
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i think you are on smoke or something, because my link was about the cop record, not Floyd then you will find nowhere me justifying his death, the opposite, I always stated the cop must be prosecuted.
But hey, when you read fake news day after day, for sure someone contradicting you looks like Hitler. And please no walls of text, I always suffer from headache.
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posted May 29, 2020 08:16 PM |
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i think you are on smoke or something, because my link was about the cop record, not Floyd then you will find nowhere me justifying his death, the opposite, I always stated the cop must be prosecuted.
But hey, when you read fake news day after day, for sure someone contradicting you looks like Hitler. And please no walls of text, I always suffer from headache.
ok
have u read the fake news i wrote earlier
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posted May 29, 2020 08:28 PM |
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Well yes, and my link to Larry Elder is still what I suggest to listen. Then problem with you guys is that you aim to eliminate all racism, which is Nirvana. The western civilization is at the top (realistically possible) of every tolerance standards, be it women rights, sexual minorities or ethnic minorities. Each year millions of people of color (as many others) put their lives in danger for reaching USA or EU, because let's face it - there is nowhere on this planet they will live better and they KNOW it.
Now, is racism 100% gone, of course not, and will never be. Is a major problem? I think not, when I look into the context.
But what I find outrageous is you guys, you hate so much your culture that you totally overlooked why this culture is still a magnet worldwide. Blind.
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posted May 29, 2020 08:41 PM |
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Well yes, and my link to Larry Elder is still what I suggest to listen. Then problem with you guys is that you aim to eliminate all racism, which is Nirvana. The western civilization is at the top (realistically possible) of every tolerance standards, be it women rights, sexual minorities or ethnic minorities. Each year millions of people of color (as many others) put their lives in danger for reaching USA or EU, because let's face it - there is nowhere on this planet they will live better and they KNOW it.
Now, is racism 100% gone, of course not, and will never be. Is a major problem? I think not, when I look into the context.
But what I find outrageous is you guys, you hate so much your culture that you totally overlooked why this culture is still a magnet worldwide. Blind.
i am not saying ANYthIiIiiNg about eliminating racism i am saying race is the issue here and you think im talking about some kind of utopian ideology
top of tolerance standards lol someone didnt check the earlier sources yeah youre right nihilism is key to everything. and yeah i hate my culture youre right im driven by self hate, my posts basically scream "i hate myself" your analysis is correct!! DING DING DING you win again chief your data is unmistakeably correct
keep calling people blind while you yourself get headaches by reading more than 4 lines of text or maybe you get headaches by being morally wrong? or maybe factually wrong as well? maybe both? i suggest getting some free time with your piano man, maybe make a wog map or something instead of rambling about stuff you don't really have the qualifications for
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posted May 29, 2020 08:46 PM |
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well yes
considering you read the earlier posts i made - you agree to the statements i made?
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posted May 29, 2020 10:08 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Well yes, and my link to Larry Elder is still what I suggest to listen. Then problem with you guys is that you aim to eliminate all racism, which is Nirvana. The western civilization is at the top (realistically possible) of every tolerance standards, be it women rights, sexual minorities or ethnic minorities. Each year millions of people of color (as many others) put their lives in danger for reaching USA or EU, because let's face it - there is nowhere on this planet they will live better and they KNOW it.
Now, is racism 100% gone, of course not, and will never be. Is a major problem? I think not, when I look into the context.
But what I find outrageous is you guys, you hate so much your culture that you totally overlooked why this culture is still a magnet worldwide. Blind.
Make a poll in Europe who wants to live in the USA. It's a regional preference. People from the Americas want in the USA, since it's nearest country that makes a difference. Same with Africa and the Near East - people try to cross the Mediterranean.
But USA from the viewpoint of a Danish, Dutch, German ... citizen? Depends on your bank account and income. Above a certain income and wealth - great. Below - crap.
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posted May 29, 2020 10:20 PM |
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You give in example the only 3 countries where life standards are at top, worldwide. Sure, why would they go to USA, but thats not the people I had in mind.
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posted May 29, 2020 10:29 PM |
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Many from these countries also want to go to the USA, but maybe what I think about is irrelevant because I am thinking more about travel culture which is strong among younger people in wealthy countries in my opinion.
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