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posted May 29, 2020 10:36 PM |
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race is the issue here
No it's not. The only thing racial about this is the fact that the black community and the leftists cry RACISM! anytime there is white on black crime. Not when there is any other race on black crime, not when there is black on white crime, and not when it's black on any other race crime. Did blacks riot and loot when a handful of black kids tortured an autistic white kid, or any of the countless time blacks killed whites? Do they ever make any BLM fuss over the MASSIVE black on black violence? Did white people riot and loot when cops or blacks ever killed whites in the states since the Jim Crow era? Feel free to enlighten me.
This is a POLICE BRUTALITY issue, and it covers ALL races. Anyone pretending or believing it's not, are entirely missing what's going on. And as such, this issue will never be fixed; because the media has the black community and the leftists(and all the lower/middle class, really) chasing their own tails. The problem is obvious. Stop getting sidetracked by inanities. Cops worldwide do this snow to EVERYONE they're allowed to do this snow to.
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posted May 29, 2020 10:43 PM |
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Salamandre said:
You give in example the only 3 countries where life standards are at top, worldwide. Sure, why would they go to USA, but thats not the people I had in mind.
What people DID you have in mind - because it's actually quite simple: people travel NORTH from Africa, South America and the Middle East. However, if you could make an INFORMED choice where you go - and not just leave the southern ghetto and hope to land anywhere nice - you wouldn't go to the US. US pretty much sucks for people with low income.
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posted May 29, 2020 11:12 PM |
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on the people getting """"triggered"" by the uprisings, im sure you guys didnt support the american or french revolutions either eh or maybe the boston tea party was too violent for you guys  struggle for freedom isnt really a new concept no matter the context of it, everyone cant have the luck to do a gandhi you know, and even there theres room for discussion if it was truly nonviolence that made india independent but thats a whole other story ill keep it to the subject
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No it's not. The only thing racial about this is the fact that the black community and the leftists cry RACISM! anytime there is white on black crime. Not when there is any other race on black crime, not when there is black on white crime, and not when it's black on any other race crime.
ofc police brutality is an issue no matter the case and it is always worth highlighting in my honest opinion, justice should always be just itself, but this is not your arena chief
this is a response to structural violence against black lives. the uprising happen because the public really feel it is about race, and it truly is about race. police have been especially targeting minorities in the past and they still do to this day. did you see the study i linked to salamandre about the stop n frisk stoppings to pedestrians? there's statistics for you saying they are totally getting extra attention by the police just because of their culture or nationality. mistreatment of minorities by police is a different issue than just mistreatment of anyone by police. by saying it's not about race you take over their struggle and invalidate their cause. the other issues are also worth highlighting of course but theres a time and place for everything, like the example i did in my earlier wall of text attempt to make salamandre listen (probably, a truly impossible task) of the funeral. you wouldnt just go on rambling about your dead relative while all the others are mourning their loss, it's rude to take misdirect the topic while they run a risk being afraid of their lives just because of their skin color
yeah i cry racism lmao what u gonna do do you really really really think the black community is crying racism for cryings sake then i feel for you man, i back my statements in my source based wall of text on the last page if you bother reading it.- im not so sure why you are this confident quoting me that im wrong if you havent evemn seen the context tho
it's all about the context of course all murders are wrong, but why the h*ll should we derail the subject when this is solely about how black lives are getting targeted especially by law enforcement? do you see where im getting here? black/hispanic/etc on black crime is a whole other issue
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Did blacks riot and loot when a handful of black kids tortured an autistic white kid, or any of the countless time blacks killed whites? Do they ever make any BLM fuss over the MASSIVE black on black violence? Did white people riot and loot when cops or blacks ever killed whites in the states since the Jim Crow era? Feel free to enlighten me.
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Why do you think people stoop to such a level? Why do you think people murder, what is the reason of people stealing and robbing stuff? Why did the blacks kill the whites? There is a lot of contextual information here to be known and this take is bad in my eyes. It ignores perspective, socioeconomical aspects and history. There is nuance in the situation which you don't take up here - how do you think these people grew up? Without struggle, without racism, with all the freedoms they couldve taken? maybe one or two lives that life lmao speaking of the majority here i can assure you 99% had problems during their upbringing whether its justice or just socioeconomical factors leading into criminality etc
The context of the murder of george floyd is another story. it's a murder coming from law enforcement, meaning someone of a higher order. it's oppression. murders like these happen too often and they are getting more and more common, hence why the blm movement even exists. have you even seen how much hate BLM is getting lol just by reading your response i feel you dont really get their motives jumping to a conclusion here
Why didn't the white folks riot during the jim crow era? thats a wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiild question
you know, during the jim crow laws, the WHITEs oppressed the blacks by making segregation a part of society and basically made them lower class citizens just because of their skin color, do you see the nuance here? it isn't rocket science to realize it's legalized racism and oppression of other people. if you could put yourself in their situation i am sure your perspective would be of another nature.
in short - history makes the context problematic. It's not about police brutality in itself. this is about the hundreds of years of slavery, the years of institutionalized segregation (black people who lived in the times segregation still live today, imagine many of them still live in the same low income neighborhoods today since the segregation) and now the 66 years of "equal rights" lol yeah right equal rights, racism still exists, whites have had 400 years in the US to build up their community while people of color has had quite the opposite
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This is a POLICE BRUTALITY issue, and it covers ALL races. Anyone pretending or believing it's not, are entirely missing what's going on. And as such, this issue will never be fixed; because the media has the black community and the leftists(and all the lower/middle class, really) chasing their own tails. The problem is obvious. Stop getting sidetracked by inanities. Cops worldwide do this snow to EVERYONE they're allowed to do this snow to.
i think im not the one here missing stuff
theyre not chasing their own tails lol theyre fighting for what they think is right, name it what you want but thats just factually wrong even if you think it wont be fixed people still have hope to not feel oppressed and it probably feels even worse seeing snowty argument like this everywhere online hey talking about train tracks and blm, theyre just trying to stay on the track at all while people keep derailing them
and yeah ofc cop violence is uncool and its an issue just repeating this to make it clear
also adding an edit here: hey salamandre hows it going
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posted May 29, 2020 11:13 PM |
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@to JJ
Don't know, caravans of thousands and thousands people of color walking thousands of miles like mads to reach USA, a structural racist country where being people of color is a death sentence?
Either these people are incredibly stupid, or the whole race bait is a hoax. I have my idea.
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posted May 29, 2020 11:17 PM |
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Salamandre said:
@to JJ
Don't know, caravans of thousands and thousands people of color walking thousands of miles like mads to reach USA, a structural racist country where being people of color is a death sentence?
Either these people are incredibly stupid, or the whole race bait is a hoax. I have my idea.
haha nice sarcasm considering you agreed with my reasoning behind race baiting from last time and now youre doing the race bait joke again lol im actually laguhging, referring to your former self always good to have a little self insight and joke about it haha yeah being people of color is a death sentance thats what were saying haha
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posted May 29, 2020 11:20 PM |
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posted May 29, 2020 11:23 PM |
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making it easy for you then  and ill crop the parts about the racism discussion here and making it clear why it isnt race baiting now u can respond since i made the text smaller!! i even added some space between the links ma´king it easier on the eye juust for u
Defending my statement regarding blacks being treated unfairly by the american police - On American police officers structurally, not individually, disproportionally target black youths on "stop-and-frisk"-policing when stopping pedestrians on the street:
Gelman, Fagan & Kiss (2007) An Analysis of the New York City Police Department's "Stop-and-Frisk” Policy in the Context of Claims of Racial Bias, Journal of the American Statistical Association, 102:479, 813-823, DOI: 10.1198/016214506000001040
Regarding excessive police brutality towards African-Americans in the US, in this case regarding the "war on drugs" and its effects on black youth in the US:
Cooper (2015) War on Drugs Policing and Police Brutality, Substance Use & Misuse, 50:8-9, 1188-1194, DOI: 10.3109/10826084.2015.1007669
About a very similar case, the killing of Eric Garner in 2014, this survey report below has a very good background introduction concerning the problems at large. It basically describes the violence and general problems black protesters face. It also includes statistics and facts from peer-reviewed sources (as is praxis in a report like this) about the overrepresentation of blacks in confinement.
Sara A. Snyder, Saeed Rahman, Jamie K. Hamilton, et.al. (2017) The Eric Garner Case: Statewide Survey of New York Voters’ Response to Proposed Police Accountability Legislation, Journal of Social Service Research, 43:1, 1-17, DOI: 10.1080/01488376.2016.1239598
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posted May 29, 2020 11:31 PM |
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ok, but following FBI statistics, blacks (13% of population) make up to 52% of the offenders, so logically they will be more arrested, more controlled. What you propose, that criminals should be let free because they are from minorities?
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posted May 29, 2020 11:35 PM |
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@ Sal
No idea what your problem is - I already covered that; you live in any craphole in the southern hemisphere? You want NORTH. Because when you have nothing in, say, Honduras, you know, having nothing in the US is better, because even picking the trashcans in the US will yield more than down south. As you know when you live in Mali that North of the Med things are "better".
But from my point of view in Germany, the US are crap. Even if I was really rich I might rather go to Monaco than to the States. And without money considerations? Canada seems a much better choice - but of course, they are difficult to reach from the South.
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posted May 29, 2020 11:40 PM |
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Salamandre said:
ok, but following FBI statistics, blacks (13% of population) make up to 52% of the offenders, so logically they will be more arrested, more controlled. What you propose, that criminals should be let free because they are from minorities?
if you didnt get seizures or headaches from reading 1 page then im sure you wouldve seen my stance on this earlier should probably see a wog doctor about that maybe some ERA medicine will help you concentrate on the topic
Do you propose controlling people based on their skin color just because you think they are doing something illegal? do you see how this can be seen as racism in any way? context matters and police brutality is worse to black people, partially because of this scuffed justification you just said. you are basically rationalizing some kind of racism and then you think its weird i call it internalized racism by its name
blacks are overrepresentated in solitary confinement as well, see the point here? it's some kind of oppression no matter what light you put on it dude give in
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posted May 29, 2020 11:46 PM |
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Fail. If people were controlled only because they have dark skin and did no offense, they would not make the majority of inmates, but would be let free.
What about you take some time to put your arguments, you know, in some logic line, like cause to effect and such. Because this starts to be headache indeed, to have you twist my words again and again.
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posted May 29, 2020 11:49 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Fail. If people were controlled only because they have dark skin and did no offense, they would not make the majority of inmates, but would be let free.
What about you take some time to put your arguments, you know, in some logic line, like cause to effect and such. Because this starts to be headache indeed, to have you twist my words again and again.
yeah im twisting your words and taking your arguments literally because you obviously haven't read into the links i gave so this question would not even come up dude so fails on you
you are arguing against a peer reviewed study with assumptions so im not sure whos in the right here!!
its even in the abstract of the study dude come on LOLLLLLLLLLLL
"We find that persons of African and Hispanic descent were stopped more frequently than whites, even after controlling for precinct variability and race-specific estimates of crime participation."
if u really want to then ill find more sources about drug offenses and how blacks are much more likely to go to jail for em than whites and stuff like that its not hard to find the information its all available on the internet, but im sure you wouldnt look there would you, maybe too much to read
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posted May 29, 2020 11:53 PM |
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Your article isn't available. So you have to give me the percentage, if you have the article. What are the percentage of color people being stopped more than white, and does this match the 52% of crimes while being 13% of the population.
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posted May 29, 2020 11:58 PM |
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To evilwhatever: you make excuses for blacks only while demonizing anything whites do, no matter what; just like every other leftist. This IS my arena; you're not even a competitor. You are a christian trying to forcefeed himself to a lion in a lion's arena, lol. I don't need your help with that.
You leftists are all the same. A copy of a copy of a copy, endlessly spouting what you've been brainwashed to spout. Your arguments aren't centered in reality here, guy. Maybe you're better at arguing something else, though. I'd try your luck elsewhere.
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posted May 30, 2020 12:06 AM |
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hey fred, nice to see you kicking. How's Eden?
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posted May 30, 2020 12:17 AM |
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Salamandre said:
Your article isn't available. So you have to give me the percentage, if you have the article. What are the percentage of color people being stopped more than white, and does this match the 52% of crimes while being 13% of the population.
im at home so cant reach it but the exact statistics wont change things up. the statistics are summarized in the abstract lol how would the exact percentages change your mind considering the summary is right in front of our eyes
considering the third source i gave with the good introduction is free to access ill go ahead and take its sources to back my statement as theyre based on facts. its not about the stopping pedestrian in nyc part but its certainly the same topic about the background of racism in the police force
heres clear evidence for blacks being jailed by police 3.7 times as often for the same drug offenses as whites statistically which is pretty much evidence enough in my eyes
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posted May 30, 2020 12:20 AM |
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fred79 said:
To evilwhatever: you make excuses for blacks only while demonizing anything whites do, no matter what; just like every other leftist. This IS my arena; you're not even a competitor. You are a christian trying to forcefeed himself to a lion in a lion's arena, lol. I don't need your help with that.
You leftists are all the same. A copy of a copy of a copy, endlessly spouting what you've been brainwashed to spout. Your arguments aren't centered in reality here, guy. Maybe you're better at arguing something else, though. I'd try your luck elsewhere.
to frwhatever: you arent even in the arena dude youre clueless you're at the farmers barn thinking youre some kind of roman gladiator
keep making these comparisons alright and keep making up your own strawman version of a leftist. keep your eyes off the facts and tell yourself you did good today "your arguments arent centered in reality" -> proceeds with coming up with nothing at all to counter a single viewpoint i had. great job in convincing me youre not just yelling at the cows in the barnyard dude the arena is for the kings pretty sure youre invited if you could structure up a proper response but seems like you turned it down!!! good point with the brainwashing man i really felt it everything im writing here is just copied from reality
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"excuses for blacks" yeah structural oppression is just an excuse and something irrelevant, history is in the past haha whats the past thats just some load of bullsnow right, in reality everything was about the humans all along we dont see color here!!!!
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posted May 30, 2020 12:38 AM |
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Not even bothering to read your reply. There is no reasoning with sheep.
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posted May 30, 2020 12:41 AM |
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Not even bothering to read your reply. There is no reasoning with sheep.
good point dude ill keep it in mind
maybe u got triggered? maybe your just a copy of a copy of someone who cant read
i like your conclusion to your argument tho!! not worth spreading lies and bad attitude towards the history of minorities!! thats a king learning his lesson i take it
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posted May 30, 2020 01:09 AM |
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evildustructor said:
heres clear evidence for blacks being jailed by police 3.7 times as often for the same drug offenses as whites statistically which is pretty much evidence enough in my eyes
At no moment your article says blacks are more arrested for the SAME felony. All it says is that blacks received more incarceration sentences than whites for drug possession or sales.
Sorry man, but police found me with less than 1 gram of weed to smoke so many times, they just laughed and took it away. People I know went to prison for having several kg of same substance. Once I saw a homeless man being taken by police for smoking one small weed, but in front of a school - aggravating circumstance. This article is so vague, there is need of tons of precision there: how much drugs, were they only salesman or producers, what is the nature of drug - cocaine is not same as marijuana which is not same as weed and so on. This is strawman, you read only what you want to read.
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/felony-drug-possession.htm
Also black leaders were apparently the trigger for tougher drug laws for the black community
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